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::::::Okay, here's a pic of a civilian SCAR-16S from FN's website [http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0152mb.png], which you can clearly see the receiver has only two fire selector markings. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:02, 20 December 2011 (CST)
::::::Okay, here's a pic of a civilian SCAR-16S from FN's website [http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0152mb.png], which you can clearly see the receiver has only two fire selector markings. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:02, 20 December 2011 (CST)


== FN SCAR 15/17 ==
== FN SCAR 16/17 ==


How do these relate to the FN SCAR 16/ SCAR 17 that are listed on the FNH website? Am I correct is saying that the FN SCAR 16 = FN SCAR-L and the FN SCAR 17 = FN SCAR-H?? Any help would be great! :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 12:45, 15 January 2012 (CST)
How do these relate to the FN SCAR 16/ SCAR 17 that are listed on the FNH website? Am I correct is saying that the FN SCAR 16 = FN SCAR-L and the FN SCAR 17 = FN SCAR-H?? Any help would be great! :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 12:45, 15 January 2012 (CST)

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Discussion

just a qustion how come orderds on the SCAR-L were cancelled and the US army really liked the SCAR-H yet there are rarly senn in video games and never seen in movies? --Armyguy277 22:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Politics is what happened to the SCAR-L in the army and the SCAR hasnt been getting a lot of exposure in a lot of recent games. For movies, since this is still a new gun, we aren't going to see it like M4s which are in the main stream and has been around so long. The only recent movie and TV show that I have seen with a SCAR is Inception, 24's last season and the remake Hawaii Five-0. Excalibur01 22:41, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The SCAR is a piss poor rifle to be honest. The (initial) rave reviews from SF types were because they were given the (hand fitted test model) rifle and one (hand fitted) mag of (hand loaded specialty) ammo (on a range, in perfect conditions) and told to give their opinion based on that. FN then refused to actually give any SF guys the rifle to do a thorough testing and evaluation. If you notice the units that got the rifles for testing, none of them have much experience with any rifles other than standard issue, and crap that they confiscate and mess around with on the range (much less experience with evaluating a rifle). In addition, the units that got the rifle never were in heavy combat with them. A few SF types managed to "get ahold" of a couple of (full production) SCAR-H and SCAR-L rifles for a while, and their opinion was that it sucked ergonomically, it had piss poor parts fit up, and was made really cheaply.-Ranger01 22:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea if the SCAR is "piss-poor", but general consensus amongst people who have fired it seems to be that it isn't enough of an improvement over the AR series to justify replacement costs. Also, funny story: My range has a SCAR-16S for rental, and when I went there for my 25th birthday, I planned to rent it so that I could try it out for myself. However, when I got there, they told me it was in the shop for maintenance. Not sure what happened or if it's an endemic problem with the SCAR in general, but it seems rather odd that it would need maintenance so soon (since it was only this past May that they got it in). -MT2008 22:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
To be fair to your range, and admittedly I have no idea where it is, but there is the possibility that the maintenance could have been routine. As with all things new probably everyone wanted to try it out so it may have had higher than the usual number or rounds pumped through it. --Charon68 23:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

If its intended to replace the AR system it should be able to withstand a "higher than usual number of rounds". I had a chance to fire a 16-S and 17-S and I hated the things. I prefer the AR system to the SCAR as it is. The SF opinion is pretty well summed up here: http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10133 -Ranger01 23:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Dude I'm sorry, but there is no way a SCAR is a crappy weapon. The weapon is made by FNH, who never has put out a terrible weapon in their life. I'm honestly not sure I believe your evaluation of the SCAR and here is why:
The round count before failure is unbelievably better than the AR series, the fit is intentionally a little loose to improve reliability yet tight enough to be accurate. It uses a gas piston operation on top of the looser tolerances in order to achieve AK like reliability. The average # of failures per 10,000 rounds for the SCAR is in the 200's, but the AR family is just under 900. The SCAR can go from 8"-20" barrels with the pop of 2 pins like the AR, and can also change calibers as easily. Ergonomically, all controls are identical with the exception of the charging handle, which is actually placed in a better location! I'm sorry you don't like it, but it is an excellent weapon. The ACR family is cheaper to make, however the versatility of it is terrible right now as it can only switch between 2 calibers in one barrel length.
PS: Professionalsoldiers.com is 100% mall ninja's and military wannabe's. Soldiers aren't even allowed to use sites like that, and even if they joined after they were discharged, they weapons they talk about weren't even around when they were in. Nothing said there can be taken seriously. Thanks for reading all of this: --Ranger12 09:40, 15 December 2011 (CST)

First & third, but no second generation?

Is there even a such thing as a second-generation SCAR? If so, how did it differ from the first and third gen versions shown on the page? Spartan198 05:16, 15 December 2011 (CST)

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This maybe? I am not 100percent sure tho. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 05:26, 15 December 2011 (CST)

UPDATE: According to world.guns.ru it is the Gen2 prototype. bozitojugg3rn4ut 06:38, 15 December 2011 (CST)
Well, I think I see at least one of the differences: This one appears to still have the 90-degree fire selector, while the third gen model has the same 180-degree selector as the M16/M4 platform. Spartan198 07:16, 15 December 2011 (CST)
The fire selector may be slightly different to differentiate between a civilian and military model... Just saying... --Ranger12 09:42, 15 December 2011 (CST)
Maybe so, but the one pictured above has an S/1/A trigger group signifying safe, semi, and full auto. Spartan198 21:31, 15 December 2011 (CST)
Most military type semi autos have the external look of S/1/A fire selector, but internally only allow the selector to be put onto 1 and the full auto is removed. The only way you would know is by opening up the gun to look at the internals. Just saying... --Ranger12 09:10, 16 December 2011 (CST)
Okay, here's a pic of a civilian SCAR-16S from FN's website [1], which you can clearly see the receiver has only two fire selector markings. Spartan198 17:02, 20 December 2011 (CST)

FN SCAR 16/17

How do these relate to the FN SCAR 16/ SCAR 17 that are listed on the FNH website? Am I correct is saying that the FN SCAR 16 = FN SCAR-L and the FN SCAR 17 = FN SCAR-H?? Any help would be great! :-) --Zackmann08 12:45, 15 January 2012 (CST)

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