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== Non Fluted .44 Mark XIX == | == Non Fluted .44 Mark XIX == | ||
All right guys I'm going to ruffle a few feathers here, but there are .44 magnum versions of the Mark XIX that aren't fluted. Take a look at [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]] under "Desert Eagle Error" for the full details, but I posted this photo to prove that they are out there and for sale: | All right guys I'm going to ruffle a few feathers here, but there are .44 magnum versions of the Mark XIX that aren't fluted. Take a look at [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]] and [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2]] under "Desert Eagle Error" for the full details, but I posted this photo to prove that they are out there and for sale: | ||
[[File:DE .44 Mag XIX.jpg]] | [[File:DE .44 Mag XIX.jpg]] | ||
I know, I know, I just messed up a lot of movies out there. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those DE's were actually chambered in .44, simply because .44 blanks are A LOT cheaper and/or easier to make and/or more common than .50 AE blanks. | I know, I know, I just messed up a lot of movies out there. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those DE's were actually chambered in .44, simply because .44 blanks are A LOT cheaper and/or easier to make and/or more common than .50 AE blanks. | ||
Revision as of 17:31, 25 November 2011
Additional Variants
- As you can see, I have replaced ManiacallyChallenged's Photoshopped Desert Eagle with what I believe to have been the exact same Desert Eagle that inspired the texture artists and 3D modelers who worked on Max Payne 2. This one belongs to Rick Washburn's Weapons Specialists, Ltd. in New York and was originally used in The Sopranos. -MT2008
Re-organization
Alright, I just did a major revamp on this page. There are still quite a few movies and TV shows where I wasn't able to tell what Eagle model appears, and I didn't even try with the video games yet. Anyone want to help out some more? -MT2008 20:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Question
I have a quick question. Does the DE fire .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum rounds originally made for revolvers or automatic rimmless .357 DE and .44 DE rounds? - Gunmaster45
- It fires actual rimmed ammo, one reason it tends to be unreliable. Currently nobody produces rimless, too bad as I always thought semiauto carbines in rimless magnums would be effective.
- You can buy special .44 Magnum ammo for the Desert Eagle. I went with my father to buy ammo once and we just grabbed a box of .44's for our Ruger and they ended up being for the Desert Eagle. They worked just as well as normal rounds though-S&Wshooter
Next to 'Call of Duty 4' in the listing of games this gun appears in, someone left this comment:
- Apparently, Call of Duty 4 is the source of gaming popularity of the gun and the word "Deagle"
No, that would be Counter-Strike. Call of Duty 4 was only released in 2007, and both the gun and the nickname "Deagle" have been popular in the mainstream gaming world for much longer than that. --MattyDienhoff 11:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if that's true because It is called a "Deagle" in Hitman 2 and that came out quite a few years ago(around 2000)
Would any of the ammunition that the desert Eagle piercing body armor?
- It would depend on what ammunition and what level of body armor is in question. Level 1 armor is only designed to stop rounds up to .380 ACP, level 2A up to .40S&W, level 2 up to .357 Magnum, and level 3A up to .44 Magnum. Any level Higher than that is intended to stop rifle rounds and would most likely stop all Desert Eagle rounds. -Anonymous
Pump Shotty Justice-That's interesting.
could the .50 AE round stop a car engine? Rex095
- There are alot of variables to consider there. What component of the engine was hit? from what distance did it hit? what part of the car did the round have to penetrate to reach the engine? Its hard to say definitively, that may be a better a question for the Mythbusters. -Anonymous
Not to mention the load/ bullet type being used. As a general rule I'd say no. The only 2 common pistol rounds I know of that have a chance are the .454 Casull, .460 S&W and the .500 S&W. But even those would require FMJ or penetrator-core ammo. BUT even if the round penetrates the block (lets use that as an example), it would take longer than you have been lead to believe in movies. For a vehicle to be stopped by a bullet like in a movie you would have to use something like .50 BMG and/ or destroy many critical components in one shot. As an example I had a friend who owned a Geo Metro, the block was cracked and we removed 2 pistons to see if it would still run, it ran; not for long but we estimated it at about 5 miles. -Ranger01
Action
I feel dumb for asking this but is the Desert Eagle single action? -Anonymous
- Yes it is. --Predator20 22:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Uh No, its Double Action
- It's single action not sure why it was listed on the page as double/single. (I changed the page, also not sure why it listed as a gas operated trigger either I have no idea what that means) The hammer must be back in order to fire. The Mark VII and XIX have an adjustable trigger but that don't make it double action capable. If you think I'm talking out my ass, that's my Desert Eagle below. --Predator20 06:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Hell, im not a expert in guns... but a a gas operated trigger means that the trigger uses gas (like a assault rifle) to actually fire the the bullet, so in a way, you shouldn't changed it Random internet user
- You are wrong. Assault rifles do not have a 'gas operated trigger'. They are gas-operated, but their trigger system is basically the same as recoil operated guns. Gas operation means that the weapon uses gas, from the exploded gunpowder, to move the mechanism, eject the spent casing, where a spring, or springs, take over and move the action forward, loading a new round. The gas is bled a way from the barrel, either through a tube going directly into the bolt carrier ('Direct Impingement') or into a chamber/tube where it pushes back on a piston ('Gas Piston'), which moves the action. All firearms uses the gunpowder gas to propel the bullet. So yes, you are definitely no expert on guns. Ramell 23:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- Simple handguns for low-powered calibers (.22LR, .25ACP, ,32ACP (7.65mm), .380ACP (9mm short), and 9mm Makarov, use simple blowback operation. The only thing keeping the breech (attached to the slide) is a spring. But there are limits with blowback operation. Calibers more powerful than the above can have violent extraction, violent enough to to damage the case, and so need the breech to be locked when firing and held until the pressure has dropped to ensure safe extraction. This kind of operation is called delayed blowback, although some pistols simply used heavier breechblocks and stronger springs (Astra 400 series). Most pistols firing cartridges of 9mm Parabellum or higher use some form of delayed blowback. The M1911 uses lugs on the barrel that match to recesses in the slide and the swinging link to delay the operation. The Browning HP-Power (GP-35) uses cammed surfaces. Gas operation is another way of delaying the operation during peak pressure. More used on assault rifles (and battle rifles, machine guns, etc) but has been used on some pistols. The gas from firing is bled off near the muzzle where it acts against a piston, or to the bolt directly, which then performs the primary unlocking of the breech. The delay in this process is enough to drop the chamber pressure to safer levels and then the process of extraction, ejection, and chambering the next cartridge can commence. The downside of gas operation in a pistol is that you MUST use full or semi-jacketed projectiles. Pure lead projectiles can clog up the port and it is reportedly very difficult to clean. Wraith
whoever you are you need to further explain this concept of a gas operated trigger... Are we talking pneumatically operated or something? Are we talking to reset the trigger? to fire the bullet? to force the slide back? What are we talking about here? As far as I know the DE is gas operated only to push the slide back at which point springs take care of everything else. -Ranger01
- Correct. :) - Mr. Wolf 00:25, 13 August 2011 (CDT)
to clear the confusion...
the desert eagle is single action. when a magazine is inserted in the pistol, one has to rack the slide back to chamber a round, thus cocking the hammer in the rearward position and putting the pistol in a ready to fire mode. if it was double action, then every time you squeeze the trigger, regardless if loaded or not, the hammer would be in motion going back and then forward striking the firing pin when the trigger breaks.
and it is gas operated. there is a piston that is located under the barrel wich is pushed rearward by propellant gases through holes in the barrel along with the slide wich then ejects and reloads another round, and also cocks the hammer and ready's itself for another shot. thats why FMJ ammo is not reccomended due to the gas piston MAY get itself soldered to the slide or the frame of the pistol in wich it resides, not that it will, but its possible to happen.
depending on wich configuration your getting in this firearm, there is no "special" ammo for it except the .50AE. the .50 action express was basically designed for this pistol. It was developed in 1988 by Evan Whildin of Action Arms. all others will shoot any .357 mag or .44 mag. i baby mine so i use jhp's. dont get them confused with the .357 sig or the .44 special.
The only commercial handgun cartridges designed that exceed its ballistic performance are the .454 Casull, .460 S&W Magnum and the .500 S&W Magnum.
as far as stopping a moving vehicle, that depends on where its making contact. i know if i was shooting mine at a vehicle, id just shoot the driver or the gas tank, but most handguns probably wont stop a vehicle in reality anways, and one who tries will most likely end up being roadkill.
ill think of more when i get some more time. hope this helps with some of the confusion.
Do any terrorists in real life use this handgun??
- It's certainly a possibility. Though I imagine it'd be pretty uncommon. StanTheMan 16:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe some well off terrorists. You can probably get half a dozen Makarovs for the price of one DE. --Funkychinaman 16:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
---As a general rule, no. It has never been manufactured in significant numbers (ie. hundreds of thousands) or exported en masse to third world countries. It's prohibitively expensive and ammunition is difficult to acquire (particularly in the case of the .50AE version). Moreover, you'd have to be completely ignorant to wield this oversized toy against other human beings if you had any other options at all.
Magnums: Desert Eagle vs. Revolver
I have a character in a Sci-fi story where he often encounters large, ferocious, and very tough cat-like creatures and he carry's a magnum handgun as a secondary sidearm for the them. What would be best, A .44 Magnum Desert Eagle or a .44 Magnum Revolver? He can handle ether of them well, so that's not a factor.
- Protip: In 9 out of 10 cases of amateur/fan fiction, Desert Eagle = Gary Stu --PistolJunkie 00:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- Changing the gun doesn't change the character. Getting rid of a symptom doesn't cure the disease. --Mr-Jigsaw 05:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- A revolver is more reliable and practical compared to the Desert Eagle in most instances.
- - Revolver. Ditto above - The Desert Eagle, for all it's cool-kickass looks, isn't exactly known for it's solid reliability from what I gather. Only main advantage it does have over the revolver is two extra ready rounds, and frankly, if whatever he's shooting at isn't taken care of with six .44s, the extra two more-than-likely won't help all that much. Plus, well, if it's a sci-fi story and he's carrying a (presently) contemporary firearm in the first place, why not go all out and use the wheelgun? I think it would 'show a certain sense of style', myself. ;) StanTheMan 05:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- A revolver is more reliable and practical compared to the Desert Eagle in most instances.
- It also so up to you as the writer, as a which ones do you like?, and what ones dose the character like. the Character could be if he is old fashion and like using a Revolver,or nearly been killed by one when his gun jammed he might carry a Revolver. a Revolver would also make it ease to load and shoot exploding rounds and other "special bullets" (if he use any). you could have the flip side that carry's a Desert Eagle because he was nearly killed because his Revolver took too long to reload. if he uses a Revolver is he could also have a small .357 Snubnosed revolver in a ankle holster as a last ditch weapon. I would also assume that the Character use Rifle(Battle Rifle, Assault rifle,or hunting) or shot gun as well because attacking Large hard to kill Creature with just a Revolver doesn't seem like the best idea in the world. Rex095
- Thanks all, I'm staying as realistic as I can with this, and I know A LOT about guns. ;) I'll go with the 44 Revolver because I'd rather have reliability than 1 (with .50 AE) to 2 extra rounds and slightly faster reloading. This sci-fi story takes place in the far future but I'm avoiding the cliche' of just made up weapons. I can't see most modern weapon designs today being improved upon too much. Ironically, I think revolvers will be around much longer then the Desert Eagle. ;) Oh and his primary sidearm is a 12 round .45 which is an improved version of the H&K HK45, his rifle of choice is an G36-based, 7.62 NATO, 32 round, bull-pup assault rifle and he carries a sawn-off O&U shotgun as a back-up.
- It also so up to you as the writer, as a which ones do you like?, and what ones dose the character like. the Character could be if he is old fashion and like using a Revolver,or nearly been killed by one when his gun jammed he might carry a Revolver. a Revolver would also make it ease to load and shoot exploding rounds and other "special bullets" (if he use any). you could have the flip side that carry's a Desert Eagle because he was nearly killed because his Revolver took too long to reload. if he uses a Revolver is he could also have a small .357 Snubnosed revolver in a ankle holster as a last ditch weapon. I would also assume that the Character use Rifle(Battle Rifle, Assault rifle,or hunting) or shot gun as well because attacking Large hard to kill Creature with just a Revolver doesn't seem like the best idea in the world. Rex095
- wouldn't his rifle be G3-Based? an explanation on why were still using bullets is that if there on another world so is easier to make on a newly colonized worlds. Because Laser and Rail guns are more complicated to make and requires more maintenance.REX095
- No, I did mean G36-based. It uses the same internal system and it's external appearance is similar but more streamlined and bull-puped. It just uses the more powerful 7.62 NATO and it's constructed of stainless-steel and ultra-tough plastic.
- You obviously don't know much about guns if you are even asking whether a professional of any sort would choose to use this wonky, unreliable firearm. It's practical uses do not extend beyond impressing people at parties. If this is the far future it's safe to assume that extremely powerful, extremely high capacity pistols have been designed, and new cartridges to go along with them. Caseless rounds with electronic primers and the like. But you do want him to use older weapons, and rotate ammunition types, so some sort of revolver would be the way to go. It's not a stretch to imagine in the future they've developed a 7 round cylinder for .44 magnum.
- For your information, I do know a lot about weapons. I just didn't know all the issues with the Desert Eagle, so I researched it a lot and well, it does suck, bad. So yeah, I'm sticking with the wheel-gun. :) You know, in my stories a Desert Eagle never even graces the hands of any of my characters. As for me in real life, I prefer 9mm's and .45's, I especially love .45's, and so does this particular character (see above). But if I want something with more oomph, I'd go for a .357 or .44 Magnum revolver. ;)
- You obviously don't know much about guns if you are even asking whether a professional of any sort would choose to use this wonky, unreliable firearm. It's practical uses do not extend beyond impressing people at parties. If this is the far future it's safe to assume that extremely powerful, extremely high capacity pistols have been designed, and new cartridges to go along with them. Caseless rounds with electronic primers and the like. But you do want him to use older weapons, and rotate ammunition types, so some sort of revolver would be the way to go. It's not a stretch to imagine in the future they've developed a 7 round cylinder for .44 magnum.
- No, I did mean G36-based. It uses the same internal system and it's external appearance is similar but more streamlined and bull-puped. It just uses the more powerful 7.62 NATO and it's constructed of stainless-steel and ultra-tough plastic.
- wouldn't his rifle be G3-Based? an explanation on why were still using bullets is that if there on another world so is easier to make on a newly colonized worlds. Because Laser and Rail guns are more complicated to make and requires more maintenance.REX095
This is just an opinion, but I think the real cliche' would be having barely explained laser or plasma or whatever guns. BeardedHoplite 17:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, :) atleast when I designed my Blaster handgun (meant for another story) I did my best to explain how it works and it's designed like a conventional handgun, it looks kinda like a cross between a HK USP and a Glock, and it's neither fragile or hard to maintain. :) Do you want me to explain how my Blaster works? if not, I really want to wrap this comment section up. This is the Desert Eagle discussion page, not my Sci-fi Story discussion page. ;D
I kinda wanna know how the blaster works. But id go wheel gun all the way, in an apocalypse magazines are hard to find and sand gets eveywhere. --Captain Snikt 02:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Operators?
Are any Law Enforcement, Armed Forces etc issued a Desert Eagle as a weapon?
No. The Wierd It 14:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I once read on Wikipedia that some of Mexico's Military Police used the .50AE version in case they needed to disable vehicles, but being as that information was not there a short time later I assume it was just some guy posting nonsense.
- There is no reason for them to buy a weapon like that for just one very specialized purpose when there are literally hundreds of rifles that cost less, are more reliable, and have a better effect on vehicles and their occupants and have ammo that's easier to obtain and spare parts readily available and are far more versatile. No government agency uses the Desert Eagle.--PistolJunkie 20:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Heard that a constable in Texas carries a Desert Eagle chambered in .50AE. Not issued but he still carries it.--FIVETWOSEVEN 02:52, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I can most certainly confirm that. I live just outside of Houston, and ive spotted a Constable carrying a .357 Desert Eagle in a quite oversized holster made to fit his duty belt. Didn't really have time to ask him why he carried it but i was pumping gas when he pulled up next to me with it in his holster and i made the observation of saying it was a Desert Eagle, to which he replied it was a .357. I wouldn't think many cops carry them at all because it is a very impractical weapon to have, but when your in the position to choose your sidearm i guess you pick what you want.--Doc345 06:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Most of being a cop is about intimidation right? If you get a shiny stainless Eagle with a barrel large enough to fall into pointed at a guy, he might be less likely to "try something." --ManiacallyChallenged
- I think that's kinda the whole point behind the design of the Desert Eagle: Intimidation. With it's huge, bulky appearance and the type of round it fires, using it in for example, a home defense scenario will definitely send the bad guys packing for surrender (if of course, the inhabitants of the home have had proper training on how to handle a Desert Eagle after purchasing it, and know how to keep a cool head in a life-or-death scenario). Plus, the loud report of a .357, .44 or .50AE round (whether indoors or outdoors) and the massive flame that spits out the end of the barrel in a dark area would definitely make the bad guy start shaking in his boots if the looks alone haven't already sent him crying for mommy. As Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry, the Magnum round can "blow your head clean off" :) --ThatoneguyJosh 00:14, 13 August 2011 (CDT)
Yes and no... My uncle used to be in GOE (Grupo de Operações Especiais (Counter terrorist group)) and there are no restrictions when it comes to sidearms for them. They have Desert Eagle in .357. My uncle said he's never seen any of his coleagues wielding it, everyone preffered H&K USP, Glock pistols, SIG pistols (220 series, SP series and GSR), Walther P99 or FN P35 (Browning HP), he personally preffered P226. Guess only a nutcases for Desert Eagles would actually want it.
- Thank you for sharing that interesting bit of information. --ThatoneguyJosh 21:20, 25 October 2011 (CDT)
Size
When looking at some pages I noticed the size of the DE looks (at least to me) different. I mean like in La Femme Nikita and others the DE doesn't look huge, but in Desperado (and really any movie with the .50 AE Mark XIX)it does. What I'm asking is if there is any major size differences between the models and the calibers. BeardedHoplite 02:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- No not really, there was a slight difference in the Mark I and Mark VII barrels and slides, since the barrels weren't interchangeable. (The Mark VII .50AE can interchange with Mark XIX .357 and .44 barrels) The differences in size could be the actors size, camera zoom etc.--Predator20 02:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
That's what I thought, thanks man. BeardedHoplite 20:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
.50 Caliber
I know that Desert Eagles (I am speaking of the Mark XIX just to clarify) are capable of fire .50 rounds. But I know it doesn't fire the same round as say a Barrett M28, so how exactly are they firing the same caliber round? --Glockness Monster 00:11, 10 July 2011 (CDT)
- Calibre is just how wide the bullet is; the difference between .50 Action Express and .50 BMG is one is 12.7x33mm while the other is 12.7x99mm; the .50 AE bullet is a stumpy little thing while the .50 BMG is a huge pointy thing. It's like asking why a six-foot thin guy and a six-foot fat guy are different. Evil Tim 03:22, 10 July 2011 (CDT)
DE Drum?
I guess while I'm on this page I should ask another silly question I have. Is it possible to use some kind of modified magazine, a drum, beta, or at least an extended mag on a Mark XIX Desert Eagle? --Glockness Monster 00:16, 10 July 2011 (CDT)
- Given the aftermarket parts industry has given us hundred round M1911 snail drums, I'm just going to go out on a limb and say "almost certainly." Evil Tim 03:16, 10 July 2011 (CDT)
Non Fluted .44 Mark XIX
All right guys I'm going to ruffle a few feathers here, but there are .44 magnum versions of the Mark XIX that aren't fluted. Take a look at Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 and Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3/Archive 2 under "Desert Eagle Error" for the full details, but I posted this photo to prove that they are out there and for sale:
I know, I know, I just messed up a lot of movies out there. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those DE's were actually chambered in .44, simply because .44 blanks are A LOT cheaper and/or easier to make and/or more common than .50 AE blanks.