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:The MG36 also had a heavier hand picked barrel (only thicker under the handguard so impossible to tell the difference), and possibly a newer version of the sight that was 3.5x but not sure if the last part is true. Bear in mind that nobody actually bought the MG36 so less than 100 were made. It was decided that the changes to the barrel did not make enough difference to warrant the cost of making different parts, and instead the Bundeswehr did what you are suggesting and simply fitted a bi-pod handguard and drum to a regular G36 to act as an LSW. So basically, there will most likely never be a real MG36 in anything as there aren't many about, and if there was we wouldn't know as the exterior is identical. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:20, 11 September 2011 (CDT) | :The MG36 also had a heavier hand picked barrel (only thicker under the handguard so impossible to tell the difference), and possibly a newer version of the sight that was 3.5x but not sure if the last part is true. Bear in mind that nobody actually bought the MG36 so less than 100 were made. It was decided that the changes to the barrel did not make enough difference to warrant the cost of making different parts, and instead the Bundeswehr did what you are suggesting and simply fitted a bi-pod handguard and drum to a regular G36 to act as an LSW. So basically, there will most likely never be a real MG36 in anything as there aren't many about, and if there was we wouldn't know as the exterior is identical. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:20, 11 September 2011 (CDT) | ||
::Just to point out why I reverted the image; from what I can tell, the only production run of MG36s was in 1995, when about a hundred were delivered to the Bundeswehr for testing and rejected. The MIL-STD-1913 standard was established in February of that same year. As a result, any "MG36" with rail mounts is probably just a G36-LMG or whatever they call the drum / bipod handguard variant. This means we should probably change any videogame entries that have rails and say they're MG36s, because they're not. 01:38, 29 September 2011 (CDT) | ::Just to point out why I reverted the image; from what I can tell, the only production run of MG36s was in 1995, when about a hundred were delivered to the Bundeswehr for testing and rejected. The MIL-STD-1913 standard was established in February of that same year. As a result, any "MG36" with rail mounts is probably just a G36-LMG or whatever they call the drum / bipod handguard variant. This means we should probably change any videogame entries that have rails and say they're MG36s, because they're not. 01:38, 29 September 2011 (CDT) | ||
Since this thread is already made there's no need to make a new one. Anyway I have a question for some of the military gurus. Did any military outfit ever use the MG36 or was it deemed ineffective compared to other lmgs/automatic rifles? I'm in an argument with a friend who insists he German army used the MG36 but I've said they've been using the Rhienmetall MG3. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 23:44, 18 October 2011 (CDT) | |||
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Additional Variants
Question
Just a Question about the SL8, it seems silly, but is it integrally suppressed?
- Revolver, not at all silly question, but no. None of the SL8s have integral silencers. They have heavy barrels but I have never seen one outfitted to take a silencer either. The three SL8 Variants you see on the page are my personal guns, so I am just working from that. ;) There may be variations somewhere that I don't know about, but I can assure you that such a modification is a custom aftermarket modification. MoviePropMaster2008 09:35, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- As far as I know, the only Heckler & Koch weapon that comes with a silencer from the factory is the Heckler & Koch MP5SD submachine gun. Orca1 9904 08:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- In the NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service episode "Rule Fifty-One," NCIS Special Agent Ziva David used a suppressed SL8. How on Earth did she get an SL8 that had a threaded barrel?--L.J. Gibbs 03:42, 12 March 2011 (MSK)
I don't know if this counts as integrally suppressed, but on HKPRO.COM, there is something advertised as the SL9-SD. http://www.hkpro.com/sl9sd.htm (Here is a little better description of the SL-9-SD (http://www.hksystems.com.au/rifles/SL9SD%20Whisper.htm). (Paladin308)
Kinda reminds me of the suppressed sniper rifle in Far Cry: Instincts. hkpro.com is also a good site for pics/info pertaining to hk products, btw.
- Cool! It looks neat. It's an SL8 with a threaded barrel for their suppressor. Other than the addition of a PSG-01 style trigger, I don't see much of a difference, except they did not subdue the "bright red" HK logos on the stocks. I may have to convert one of my SL8 rifles to that configuration. ;) MoviePropMaster2008 07:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Could a G36 take the role of a Designated Marksman Rifle, if the Designated Marksman lost it rifle. in a story im writing for fun a former Designated Marksman use a G36 as his main rifle, and carys is Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle for sharpshooting. I was wounding if it was a good chose REX095
Probably. Any semi-automatic weapon that can take an optic can be a DMR, as long as it has greater accuracy than a standard model; I'd probably have him use a Springfield M1A Match instead of the G36, because it's basically a civilian model of the M14 with around the same inherent accuracy. It's semi-auto only, but a DMR isn't exactly going to use a full-auto weapon either, so it works out.
- Why would one take an M1A and a Mark 14 into battle at the same time? That makes no sense because doing so wouldn't provide any kind of advantage as you'd have two weapons that are of the same basic classification. What Rex095 is asking is if a G36 (his character's primary defensive weapon) can take over the role of DMR if his EBR (his marksman rifle, which itself is selectable between semi-automatic and full automatic) goes down. Rex, as the guy above me said, any semi-auto rifle can perform in a limited DMR role, but accuracy is likely going to be sub-par compared to a dedicated DMR. If your character has the resources, equip his G36 with a heavier barrel (e.g., an MG36 barrel) which will give better accuracy than a standard G36 barrel in case the EBR goes down and it's needed to fulfill the DMR role. Spartan198 04:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
G36C
- Why is this gun in just about every new action movie and video game that feature large amounts of gunplay? I'm getting tired of seeing this gun and wonder why there are barely any other of the G36 series in movies and video games-S&Wshooter 00:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Why is it I hear lots of "I'm tired of (insert fairly new weapon here) when no one ever says "I'm tired of seeing those M4s. Theyre in every new action movie and video game and I'm sick of it" when that last statement is actually true? S&W, I don't know about you, but I don't see the G36C as much as many many other kinds of weapons. Personally I'm getting very sick of seeing overly-upgraded M4 or M16 rifles and all the Beretta 92-like guns going around out there. I think seeing more of the G36 family would be a refreshing change. Any other gun that deserves more attention would be nice. Where are all the Mk. 46s and the REC-7s? I've only seen those in R6V2 and if you ask me were misrepresented terribly. And am I the only one upset over losing the G36 in MW2? I was hoping for the full size version.
I like seeing more gun variety in movies and games, so as long as it makes some sense (i.e., not stuff like random street thugs in Predator 2 pulling out Steyr AUGs). Contrary to what some naive or misinformed souls may believe, Colt is not "teh ownly gun manufacturer wurth showing" on screen or in games, and not everyone uses a M16 or an M4 or an AK-47. The G36 is a perfectly good gun to round out the arsenal on screen or in games.
By the same token:
-The FN P90 is not the only PDW/Armour-piercing SMG worth showing on screen or in games--the MP7 and SR-3 Vikhr or the OTs-14 Groza are both perfectly suitable for the same role.
-M60s and M249 SAWs are not the only light machine guns that are effective or useful--PKMs, MG36s, QBB-95s, or even older ones like the MG42 are perfectly viable and useful.
The firearms industry has always been fiercely competitive and people from different factions often use different weapons in real life. More gun variety in games usually means more possible playstyles available and less of a chance that someone will get bored looking at the same gun all the time. For instance, despite the ejection ports being in the wrong places and the reliability factors largely in favour of Warsaw pact weapons vs. NATO weapons, STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl's gun selection was good for both the variety and the various playstyles it encouraged.
Hopefully movie armourers and game developers will put in more reasonable gun variety in those two media forms. Even in real life I highly doubt any one firearms company will end up establishing an unbreakable monopoly, forcing gun monotony on us all. Mazryonh 02:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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GOD, I hated Infinity Ward for taking the G36C out of MW2, as I am a HUGE G36 fan. But to your point, Mazryonh: Weapons like the Remington ACR, HK G36, IMI Tavor, HK MP7, FNH F2000... Newer, more modern weapons like these don't see NEARLY enough movie use.
The way I see it, when it comes down to it, you have these as perhaps the 10 most cliched weapons in the media (not in any particular order):
1: M16/M4 Assault Rifle series
2: Beretta 92FS
3: Franchi SPAS-12
4: HK MP5A3
5: FNH P90 PDW
6: FNH M249 S.A.W.
7: Glock Safe-Action Pistols (Any model, but the 18 is the most cliched, no doubt about it)
8: Desert Eagle (Models VII and XIX)
9: Steyr AUG A1
10: Saco Defense M60
With the exception of the Desert Eagle (Gotta love it), we've seen and re-seen these guns WAY too much if you ask me, but no one ever complains about it. WTF is up with that?
On the other end of the spectrum, you have some firearms that need to see more use (also not in any particular order):
1: HK G36 Assault Rifle series
2: Remington ACR
3: FNH F2000
4: IMI Tavor
5: HK MP7A1
6: Steyr AUG A3
7: M14 (Both the Original and the Mk. 14 EBR as well)
8: Saiga 20K (PGO)
9: TDI Vector
10: FNH M249 S.P.W.
Sorry if this got a bit long, but I just wanted to put it out there.
--GamerfreakB7--Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
We don't see a lot of the "newer" guns like the ACR, TDI Vector or the ACR because I don't think any armorer has them yet. A Canadian armorer that did Resident Evil Apocalypse had a couple Tavors, 24 showed the MP7s and F2000. It's just that you have to look at the armorers. They can't have every single gun in their collection. Excalibur01 05:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
The weird thing about the Beretta 92 is that no one ever seems to have a Beretta 90-two, in the newer games/films.
- Claire uses a 90-Two in Resident Evil: Afterlife and the 90-Two is the most common handgun in Heavy Rain.
Also, I've never seen a Steyr M9/A1 in ANY film. Even in Fringe, they just used the Five-seveN as a futuristic stand-in; the world is supposed to be like ours, except different. The Steyr looks superficially like the Glock, but it has pretty out-there sights and is pretty different externally when you look at it up close.
And about the Saiga, I don't think I've seen a Saiga sporter (the original model from which the Saiga-20K is derived) in any film either.
I totally agree, when they next make a game about US soldiers in combat, they should give them all G36s, ACRs, Vektors, HK45s, and PSG1s even though they don't use them in the real world simply because the "old guns" are cliched *rolls eyes*. But, seriously, I am all for variety, but that variety needs to be sensible. LAPD SWAT or US Army SF suddenly appearing with Tavors or XM8s wouldn't make a lick of sense. Spartan198 05:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Unless a choice of gun makes up an important aspect of a character a gun is not a cliche. "Stay frosty" or the butler being the murderer are cliches, someone carrying a Beretta or a Colt is not a cliche.--Mr-Jigsaw 08:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind seeing more of the UMP, I haven't see much of that. That's One Angry Duck 22:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- the FN F2000 tactical is starting to turn up more in show
Reliability?
Is the G36 reliable when put through mud, water,and dirt(ex Ak-47, HK416)? or does it face similar problems the M16 family faces?
The H&K 416 is basically a G36 operating system in an AR-15. So yeah, it is reliable in those conditions. The XM8 rifle was just a revamped G36, and it topped the 416's reliability by more than 200 rounds.
Thank you for responding, also does this apply to other assualt rifles of this era too?
I don't know about the fifty-plus other assault rifles (I only really know about the main ones and some irregular ones like the Vektor CR-21), but the newer H&K models are mostly based on the G36. It's the same relationship as the G3 on contemporary models (PSG1, etc), you know?
It even beat FN SCAR as it barely beated 416
Just wondering
Does the G36C see any action at all in either american or british special forces? ---P226 21:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
im not quite shure about the american special forces but yes it is actualy used by britsh speical forces not as heavaly as shown is movies and vidio games but is still a comon weapon in there arsenal --Armyguy277 23:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- I have never heard of either American or British SF carrying G36 variants. Both use AR-series rifles. It's possible they may have purchased some G36s, but that's irrelevant, because those guys purchase a little of everything. -MT2008 00:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Well maybe this is a better question... Does the G36C model have any use in the special forces comunity at all?, and does it have any conventional military use?---P226 21:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone on here is going to be able to tell you anything more accurate than what can be found on Wikipedia. It's not like any of us are in SF units. Assuming the Wikipedia article is accurate, the G36C seems to be used almost entirely by law enforcement at present. Whereas the M4 is pretty much the weapon-of-choice for every SF unit that is in good standing with the U.S. I would highly doubt that the G36C would be used by regular infantry, given that its barrel is too short for the engagement distances that infantry expect to face. -MT2008 21:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
S019 the standard british armed police response units and british airport security both have access to and utilise G36c's, thought these UK models are restiriced to semi automatic only. In most cases in airports when Ive seen a pair of officers one wiull be carrying an Mp5 with a 15 round mag and the other a G36 with a full 30 round mag. So there you have it --Captain Snikt 11:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- Mr. P226 specifically asked about military special forces (American and British). SO19 (now CO19) are not military SF. -MT2008 21:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
well i know the G36c is the standerd weapon on german special forces like GSG-9,Kommando Spezialkräfte and Fernspählehrkompanie 200 but like MT2008 said know one really knows --Armyguy277 21:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- Last I heard (on the HKPRO message board), the KSK traded in its G36s for HK416s a few years ago. I remember there was a picture of them training for deployment to Afghanistan while using 416s with 14.5" barrels that were all painted in desert camo. They allegedly wanted to buy M4s, but the Bundeswehr doesn't let them buy anything that isn't German-made. Also, it's still irrelevant because (as I told Captain Snikt) P226 asked about American and British special forces. -MT2008 21:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
no i was talking about his second comment --Armyguy277 22:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- what about Jordon's CT-71 Battalion, from what I have read it is a CT unit that is made up of Rangers, Paratroopers and Royal Guard members? (1 ) --129.89.179.105 23:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)(thePotShot)
Barrel lenghts
I'm pretty sure the standard G36 has a 20" barrel and the G36C has a 9" barrel but can anyone tell me the lengths of the other variants? I've heard people claim the G36K has a barrel anywhere from 12 to 16 inches long.
12.51" according to the HK website (Source). It also lists the G36 as 18.89" and the G36C as 8.97". The Wierd It 22:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Confused about SL8 variants
The title says it all. Below is something I found on the HKPRO forums (which agrees with wiki not that necessarily matters) that seems to disagree with how the rifles are numbered on this page.
SL8(no -#) Canada/Europe, gray, double stack mag, long sight rail w/iron sights. SL8-1 is US import, gray, single stack mag & receiver, long sight rail w/iron sights. SL8-4 is Canada/Europe, black, double stack mag, short sight rail. SL8-5 is Canada/Europe, black, double stack mag, long rail w/iron sights. SL8-6 is US import, black, single stack mag & receiver, short sight rail. "
Would it therefore be correct to say that of the 4 pictures on the main page, all of the first 3 are SL8-1's (as it is stated in the captions that the colour is aftermarket blacking) and the last one is an SL8-6 (If you go the HK-USA civilian sales page, it advertises a gun looking exactly like this as a SL8-6). Below is a pictures of what I believe to be an SL8-4 and SL8-5.
I haven't changed the page yet, as I thought I would check I had understood it right, as this is all based on about 15 minutes of googling. --commando552 19:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Muzzle Velocity
Hello! Could anyone tell me what's the muzzle velocity of both K and C variants of the G36? I only found MV of the standard G36 on HK's official website! Thanks.
Telling a Fake vs Real G36C
As a rule of thumb should I assume that if I see a G36C with a 1/2 full magazine that it is an airosoft replica? Just making sure as it seems all the airosoft replicas have 1/2 full magazines.--Gunkatas 18:18, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
- I think all the airsoft magazines I've ever seen were actually full (Just checking, you do know that bullets don't go all the way to the bottom of a magazine and that there needs to be space for the compressed spring at the bottom?). Have just counted in a TM magazine and there were 22 dummy bullets, but they don't go all the way to to top, there is room for about 4 or 5 more. Furthermore, an airsoft magazine is shorter than a real magazine, so add on a few more and that brings you to the full 30. A half empty magazine would be much harder for an airsoft gun, as you should then be able to see clear space through the partially uncompressed spring, rather than the gubbins for the BBs that is actually inside. --commando552 14:52, 3 August 2011 (CDT)
SL8 model Guide
Am just putting this in here as I have notice a different models getting confused with each other on several pages.
- SL8-2 is a rare prototype weapon made for the German Army that was fitted with G36 type sights and a bipod.
- Never heard of an SL8-3, if it exists it is a very rare version unlikely to appear.
First off, to definitely tell the variant you need to be able to see the right side of the rifle. If the magazine well along with the receiver below the ejection port is crimped in, then it is a US import version (SL8-1 or SL8-6) that can only take single stack magazines (10 round magazine protrudes out a few inches, aftermarket 20 round magazines are made which are longer than a G36 magazine). Apart from the colour of the plastic and the scope rail, the SL8-6 is exactly the same as the SL8-1. So much so, H&K used the same moulds to make the first run of the SL8-6 which resulted in the first SL8-6s being marked SL8-1. Current models of the SL8-6 are simply marked SL8.
If a rifle lacks the crimped magazine area, then it is a European/Canadian version of the Rifle. These use double stack magazines where only the baseplate of the mag protrudes from the weapon. These guns can take G36 magazines with only slight modification to the magazine (filing off a couple of ridges). The US-import versions can be converted to use G36 magazines but this requires extensive modification, including replacement of the magazine well, a new bolt head that will strip rounds from a double stack magazine, milling out of the crimped portion of the receiver and filling in this gap with epoxy.
Lastly, if the magazine of the weapon protrudes out a few centimetres before the baseplate then this is an Airsoft replica.--commando552 10:19, 8 August 2011 (CDT)
MG36
Technically, an MG36 is a G36 with a Beta C drum magazine and a bipod right? So all i have to do is take my normal, original G36, add a bipod and a Beta C drum mag, and it will be considered an MG36?--Gunner5
- The MG36 also had a heavier hand picked barrel (only thicker under the handguard so impossible to tell the difference), and possibly a newer version of the sight that was 3.5x but not sure if the last part is true. Bear in mind that nobody actually bought the MG36 so less than 100 were made. It was decided that the changes to the barrel did not make enough difference to warrant the cost of making different parts, and instead the Bundeswehr did what you are suggesting and simply fitted a bi-pod handguard and drum to a regular G36 to act as an LSW. So basically, there will most likely never be a real MG36 in anything as there aren't many about, and if there was we wouldn't know as the exterior is identical. --commando552 19:20, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
- Just to point out why I reverted the image; from what I can tell, the only production run of MG36s was in 1995, when about a hundred were delivered to the Bundeswehr for testing and rejected. The MIL-STD-1913 standard was established in February of that same year. As a result, any "MG36" with rail mounts is probably just a G36-LMG or whatever they call the drum / bipod handguard variant. This means we should probably change any videogame entries that have rails and say they're MG36s, because they're not. 01:38, 29 September 2011 (CDT)
Since this thread is already made there's no need to make a new one. Anyway I have a question for some of the military gurus. Did any military outfit ever use the MG36 or was it deemed ineffective compared to other lmgs/automatic rifles? I'm in an argument with a friend who insists he German army used the MG36 but I've said they've been using the Rhienmetall MG3. Lurker McNasty 23:44, 18 October 2011 (CDT)