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::"A lot changed for me after [1993's] Schindler's List, especially when I began working with Holocaust survivors, and being able to collect their testimonies. But I never look back with shame at Raiders or Last Crusade. We gave the Nazis the same spin that, I think, in a way, Charlie Chaplin was able to give them in The Great Dictator. There was always a bit of, We're not going to take them that seriously. It's just something I wouldn't choose to do right now. I would choose not to make them Saturday-matinee villains." [http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20192040_2,00.html (Source)] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:57, 14 July 2011 (CDT) | ::"A lot changed for me after [1993's] Schindler's List, especially when I began working with Holocaust survivors, and being able to collect their testimonies. But I never look back with shame at Raiders or Last Crusade. We gave the Nazis the same spin that, I think, in a way, Charlie Chaplin was able to give them in The Great Dictator. There was always a bit of, We're not going to take them that seriously. It's just something I wouldn't choose to do right now. I would choose not to make them Saturday-matinee villains." [http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20192040_2,00.html (Source)] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:57, 14 July 2011 (CDT) | ||
:::Personally I liked their turn in ''[[Hogan's Heroes]]'' ;) But I feel everyone needs to fully research the entirety of WW2 history to be more fully rounded. If you watch OTHER historical films like ''[[Downfall (Der Untergang)|Der Untergang]]'' or ''[[Valkyrie]]'' you also don't get a view of ALL Germans as insane sociopaths either. Horrendous things happened, but for every person who toss away their humanity, there were tons of people who were just trying to get by who were not innately evil. One of my FAVORITE WAR movies was 'The Enemy Below' (1957) with Robert Mitchum. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:11, 14 July 2011 (CDT) | :::Personally I liked their turn in ''[[Hogan's Heroes]]'' ;) But I feel everyone needs to fully research the entirety of WW2 history to be more fully rounded. If you watch OTHER historical films like ''[[Downfall (Der Untergang)|Der Untergang]]'' or ''[[Valkyrie]]'' you also don't get a view of ALL Germans as insane sociopaths either. Horrendous things happened, but for every person who toss away their humanity, there were tons of people who were just trying to get by who were not innately evil. One of my FAVORITE WAR movies was 'The Enemy Below' (1957) with Robert Mitchum. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:11, 14 July 2011 (CDT) | ||
::::It is a bit ironic, however, that while Curt Jurgens and Theodore Bikel played good Germans in a movie, in real life, those same Germans imprisoned Jurgens in a concentration camp for his political views, and forced Bikel's family to flee from Austria. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:26, 14 July 2011 (CDT) | |||
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Realization
Does anybody else think that the two Indiana Jones's where he shoots a lot more people (Raiders and Crusade) are much better than the two where he hardly shoots anybody (Temple and Skull)? I guess the story could have something to do with it too.
- It's the two with where you have Nazi bad guys. Let's face it, Nazis make good villains. (Too good. Spielberg refused to ever again make a film with cartoon-ish Nazi villains after making Schindler's List.) --Funkychinaman 16:50, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- (And yes, I know it's wrong to use the term "Nazis" as a blanket term for Germans. But I'm just quoting Indy himself, "Nazis, I hate these guys.") --Funkychinaman 16:56, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- I think when they're just being cartoonishly evil it's safe to call them Nazis, because they all are. Plus, we all know that German is the best language for being evil in. Evil Tim 17:11, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- (And yes, I know it's wrong to use the term "Nazis" as a blanket term for Germans. But I'm just quoting Indy himself, "Nazis, I hate these guys.") --Funkychinaman 16:56, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- I like Temple as much as Raiders and Crusade though as a gun guy I do notice the lack of firearms use. However, I would say in Temple's case that the story/setting has a lot to do with why there isn't much gunplay (It is, after all, a prequel to Raiders, and I would think Indy got wiser about the gun thing after the events in Temple). And fcm, I think there's no one to really object except actual Nazis so don't worry about it. :b Well, that and the fact it is Nazis involved - These are Indy films, not Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers. StanTheMan 17:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- "A lot changed for me after [1993's] Schindler's List, especially when I began working with Holocaust survivors, and being able to collect their testimonies. But I never look back with shame at Raiders or Last Crusade. We gave the Nazis the same spin that, I think, in a way, Charlie Chaplin was able to give them in The Great Dictator. There was always a bit of, We're not going to take them that seriously. It's just something I wouldn't choose to do right now. I would choose not to make them Saturday-matinee villains." (Source) --Funkychinaman 17:57, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- Personally I liked their turn in Hogan's Heroes ;) But I feel everyone needs to fully research the entirety of WW2 history to be more fully rounded. If you watch OTHER historical films like Der Untergang or Valkyrie you also don't get a view of ALL Germans as insane sociopaths either. Horrendous things happened, but for every person who toss away their humanity, there were tons of people who were just trying to get by who were not innately evil. One of my FAVORITE WAR movies was 'The Enemy Below' (1957) with Robert Mitchum. MoviePropMaster2008 20:11, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- It is a bit ironic, however, that while Curt Jurgens and Theodore Bikel played good Germans in a movie, in real life, those same Germans imprisoned Jurgens in a concentration camp for his political views, and forced Bikel's family to flee from Austria. --Funkychinaman 20:26, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- Personally I liked their turn in Hogan's Heroes ;) But I feel everyone needs to fully research the entirety of WW2 history to be more fully rounded. If you watch OTHER historical films like Der Untergang or Valkyrie you also don't get a view of ALL Germans as insane sociopaths either. Horrendous things happened, but for every person who toss away their humanity, there were tons of people who were just trying to get by who were not innately evil. One of my FAVORITE WAR movies was 'The Enemy Below' (1957) with Robert Mitchum. MoviePropMaster2008 20:11, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- "A lot changed for me after [1993's] Schindler's List, especially when I began working with Holocaust survivors, and being able to collect their testimonies. But I never look back with shame at Raiders or Last Crusade. We gave the Nazis the same spin that, I think, in a way, Charlie Chaplin was able to give them in The Great Dictator. There was always a bit of, We're not going to take them that seriously. It's just something I wouldn't choose to do right now. I would choose not to make them Saturday-matinee villains." (Source) --Funkychinaman 17:57, 14 July 2011 (CDT)