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But not the M16
But not the M16
Why all the FPS games are putting the M16 in burst capasatie,for this reason its why peopel think the M16 is more powerfull than the M4 becouse the game balance all burst and semi auto weapons habe more stoping power.


== VSS Red Dot? ==
== VSS Red Dot? ==

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Is anyone else kind of pissed most of the weapons are from BFBC1?

Beretta pistols

I see a lot of people calling the Beretta 92 series and the Beretta 93 for M92 and M93 respectively, so i decided to put this at the top because i feel it is important: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN M92 OR M93! There is one Beretta pistol with an "M" before it's number and that is the M9, which is kinda unique because it's really just a Beretta 92FS made for the US Military and manufactored in the US of A. But remember folks, do not put an M in front of the number of Beretta pistols, unless it's the M9!

Red dot in gameplay

is it based on any real model? 

      not really, at least they made the ammo count realistic on this one. And they added a customization option so at least they have a little more variety.

I hope weapon damage will be as low as in BC1, because it will take more skill to kill.--178.92.236.41 07:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. The way the weapons were balanced in BC1 was exemplary, and should be carried over to BC2.

It's based off of the Russian made Kobra Red Dot Sight.

Demo

Well, i recently downloaded the xbox demo and i have a few questions: 1) Can you play as American forces? 2) Can you have any gun other than the AEK-971? 3) And is there any location other than the arctic location? smish34

1) yes, there there will be in the full game. I think your a merc in the defenders in the demo, not US. 2) just keep using the AEK you will unlock the XM8. 3) Not in the demo, but there will be jungle and forest maps in the full game--Sniperinthemist 17:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
They're not mercs, they're US Army. Mercenaries don't have A10's or Bradley IFV,

M16A4

The M16 in Battlfield: Bad Company is clearly an M16A4. It should be obvious with a close examination of the knobs on the removable carry handle...even more obvious in Bad Company 2 when you put a reflex or ACOG sight on it and the carry handle is removed.

M16A2 with A4 upper? What ever.. They'll just call it eM-Sixteen.
I am the person who actually uploaded the picture of M16. Somebody left that it was M16A4 so that i just assumed that it is M16A2 because they all fires in burst mod, has detachable carring handle, and so on and on... I just don't know whether it is truly m16a2, or m16a4 yet.... ZZANG1847
The M16A4 has the same three-round burst trigger group as the M16A2. The M16A3 is the variant with the full auto trigger group.
Definitely an A4. Spartan198 22:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Lowar resivar has M16A2 markings.
"Lower receiver", you mean. Learn to spell. The image shows a detachable carry handle signified by the round knobs on the right side of the receiver. That's an A4. Spartan198 17:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/M16A4_Assault_Rifle read this before you throw around the word "Definitely around"

That link doesn't tell you anything, except that the part on the "M16A2" from BC2 is written by someone who let the game devs tell him/her what to call the weapon, which is fine if you don't really care about it, but that's not the point of this website! The "M16A2" from BC2 has to be an A4 because it's 3-round burst and has the removable carrying handle, even though it uses an old M203 handguard instead of mounting it on rails which the real M16A4 MWS has. The pic at the very top of the link of an M16 in real life, is of an American soldier of some sort, aiming an M16A4 MWS with an ACOG, a flashlight and an AN/PEQ-2 attached to the rail system. That picture alone is probably better for ID'ing the M16 from BC2 than the text is. T.H.M.Christensen
Remember this. What the developers do is their business. And if they know NOTHING about guns, that is also their problems. We ID guns here on real world knowledge, not the confirmed knowledge that game developers tell the fans because most of the time the people who make the games don't know a damn thing about guns aside from that they make lots of noise and brass flying around. And I just looked at the image again from the screen cap. It IS more of an A4 because of the removable carrying handle. The A2, yes is burst, but the real world one is a fixed carrying handle. Excalibur01
Like I said, Mr. Anon: Definitely an A4. Spartan198 15:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
It's not even an M16. Why? It ejects to the left instead of the right.74.175.101.2 12:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

A lot of rifle systems do have the brass eject to the left for left handed shooters, but this is more of a game designer decision for them because they think brass jumping to the left when the shooter is right handed is "cool". Sometimes it does bother me when I shoot without aiming down the sight. Excalibur01

But not the M16

Why all the FPS games are putting the M16 in burst capasatie,for this reason its why peopel think the M16 is more powerfull than the M4 becouse the game balance all burst and semi auto weapons habe more stoping power.

VSS Red Dot?

I heard you can get the VSS (and all other sniper rifles) with red dot sights, is this true? Anyone got a video or screenshot to confirm this. M14fanboy


its true, play the demo, theres 3 diffrent scopes for your rifle along with a spotter tool to mount ontop of the scope.

Sadly we don't get many guns or any attachments on the 360 Demo. no Beta for us you see. And off topic, but can someone lend me an acct so I can register as BC vet to get the F2000 on BC and the Garand on BC2? M14fanboy

Engineer class

Just clearing this up, just because most of the weapons in the Engineer class are SMGs, doesn't mean they've classified all weapons under that class to be SMGs. Same for BC1 where everyone thought they were mislabelling the assault rifles in the specialist class as SMGs. Engineers (and speciallists, in BC1's case) use silenced assault rifles too, as we've all seen.

then tell me why the devs tone down the smg of the "assault rifles" in the Smg class, weapons like the scar and ak74su should do much more dmg than an UZI or ump45, but there isnt a major diffrence they are both very weak. why do they do this? because to balance the game, they make it so the Engineer doesnt run around with a rocket launcher and a very powerful primary.

They differentiate AR's and SMG's in "Engineer" class. Assault rifles have medium range, power and submashine guns have everything low, but high rate of fire.
UMP's damage should be higher. .45 is about twice the diameter of a 5.56 (.223). But they mislabeled a lot of things. Yes, the Scar, XM8C, the AN-91, and the AKS-74u are all assualt class weapons. The XM8C and the AKS-74u are compact or carbine versions of a bigger gun (XM8 and the AK-74).74.175.101.2 12:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

No the 5.56X45mm Rifle round should be much higher than that of the UMP. there is a reason why a friend of mine's SWAT team students are all switching to short barreled 5.56mm weapons insted of the MP5s they were useing. Looking at the results from testing with Ballistic jell the 5.56mm creates horrible wounds at SMG ranges even with a SMG lenght barrel. Reason being is that unlike the .45 which crushes it's way through a target the 5.56mm tumbles and fragments. Literally X-rays of a 5.56mm round have been described as looking like a snowstorm, it just tears up the target at close range.Rockwolf66 16:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

What about over penetration? Excalibur01

Funny thing is that at least with FMJ rounds 9mm and .45ACP have more overpenatration of the materials used in modern housing than a 5.56mm round. As far as the human body goes the 5.56mm has little overpenatration when it comes to modern Law Enforcement bullet designs. As i said I have a buddy who trains SWAT teams and there are alot of practical reasons they are switching from the MP5 to members of the AR15/M16 family. Rockwolf66 17:43, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Funny thing is 5.56 rounds have been noticed to just punch tiny holes in people. A .45 round is like getting hit by a truck. 9mm rounds are also quite small and underpowered.

No what is funny is that in ballistic testing the 5.56X45mm round produces much more impressive wounds than any handgun round unless you use ammunition designed specifically not to fragment. When the 5.56mm round first came out there were countries who though that the 5.56mm round produced horrific wounds due to it's fragmentary properties, at least until the US showed in testing that their 7.62mm NATO rounds acted the same way with a much larger bullet. Look up Fackler and Ballistic testing if you want the facts. Outside of a lab I have heard no complains from my various Military and Medical Professional friends. They all note that Rifle rounds kill better than pistol rounds. Rockwolf66 06:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Go ask your friends or just read up somemore. 5.56 NATO wont fragment when shot from barrel shorter than 18". So your buddies have just good armor punchers, not stoppers. And not everyday outlaws wear ballistic vests of higher class of protection. Headshots save the day everyday though:)
My friends use M4 carbines on live humans with and without body armor. I'll trust their judgement on the reason some of them happily turned in their M16A4 for an M4 carbine. I personally have used 5.56mm weapons down to 7 1/2 inches of barrel and there has been no problem with varmit control. Still the poster below me is right to say that to accuratly portray ballistic damage in a game would take something along the lines of a supercomputer programmed by a physics PHD pool and decades of study. Hell People are still trying to figure out the fine details about how bullets cause injury outside of just punching a hole in things.Rockwolf66
The 5.56 (NATO, at least) is a full metal jacketed round, so it's got significant penetrating power. It's also much sharper. It's main advantage, though, is it's velocity. Yes, it's true, the 5.56 is a small round, but that round is fired with around 1700 joules of force, while a general .45 ACP has between 400-700 joules of force. Federal Premium .45 rounds have 559 J of force. It's also true that 5.56 tends to tumble and create shredding wounds, but one of the main criticisms of the round is that it does so predictably. We can't use that example as reliably as we are. Just remember that the 5.56 fires 3 times as fast as a .45. You two are arguing about the "power" of the round, however. It's not really possible to create a single damage statistic for a bullet in a game and speak of realism. 5.56 rounds have been known to wound grievously, but not literally knock down targets as effectively as other rounds. A pistol round, while bigger, will not necessarily leave more effective wounds, but in some cases, that "stopping power" is more valued than the ability to wound. Now all the of the game's rounds, save some sniper and machine gun rounds, do not have bullet drop. This eliminates the biggest advantage of mid-size or full-size rounds over pistol rounds. Not only that, but all bullets travel at the same velocity in-game. Therefore arguing about a damage statistic would be difficult as you have to factor in many, many different facets of ballistics that simply aren't present in-game.--Strategos 01:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Remember penetrating power =/= brute force. During WWII, some Japanese soldiers would be hyped on painkillers, and the M1 would punch tiny holes, while a Thompson or a M1911 would knock them flat on their rear. Programming the tumbling factor in a game would be too hard to do, so wouldn't a lead weight do more damage than a needle? 74.175.101.2 11:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

They cannot properly replicate the terminal ballistics but they can demonstraite the fact that Rifles and Rifle rounds kill things better than Pistols or pistol rounds through programed damage. As far as any pistol round knocking someone flat that is impossible to do through physics or it would have knocked over the person with the Thompson or M1911. Rockwolf66 04:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

being knocked over is basically dieing. The standard green tip 5.56 tears through people, only leaving a hole. For instance, if you have read Black Hawk Down, most of the Rangers remember that it took like 5 to 6 rounds just to kill a man, or knock him down for a moment. A .45 generally kills within the first 2~3 shots. 74.175.101.2 11:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Many stories of that came out of Somalia. I've heard stories of a D-boy who engaged a target twice in the chest with his rifle with the green tipped ammo, turned away for a second, turned back and engaged it again, and repeated this TWICE MORE. After that, he engaged the target with his sidearm and that seemed to do the trick. Moral of the story? Ammunition made for shooting armored targets doesn't work well on unarmored.--Asmkillr323 11:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

While i am removing the blatantly racist comment the poster was right when they said that the Clan gunmen were high on a local form of Methamphetamine. What would normally have someone crawl off to bleed out somewhere had less effect than it should have. With people high on drugs unless you hit the CNS or they bleed out a hostile can still fight long past when they should have dropped. There are recorded cases of Iraqi insurgents takeing point blank bursts from the M240 on a bradley and still fighting. Thankfully in Somalia the Warlords did not have modern drugs in their systems.Rockwolf66 21:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

That 'local meth' is called qat. Commonly pronounced like 'cot'. In Somalia, it's basically the national dish.--Asmkillr323 11:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I remembered the drug thing right after I posted it, but even in Japan it worked that way, occasionaly...70.149.50.57 00:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Lefty side brass flying

When I play Modern Warfare 2, it is good and the brass ejecting is on the correct side. I still don't see why some games like Bad Company would put the brass ejection on the otherside. It's even stupid for the M16 because the forward assist is on the right side while the shells eject from the left Excalibur01

It looks good and that's it. --24.63.181.248 12:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Probably to look cool Rex095

It's probably because they made it so that the gun takes up most of the bottom right of the screen, meaning if the ejections were on the correct side, they would not be visible unlike in CoD:MW2. They probably put it on the left side to A) not waste an animation of the gun cycling/shells ejecting by putting it on a side that no one will see due to the size of the gun and B) so that people can see and have another visual indication that they're firing (other than the flash of the gun and the people in front of them dying). In MW2 the guns size is small enough to be able to see the brass ejecting on the correct side.--Gunkatas 17:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not so much that the ejection port's on the wrong side, it's that (almost) all the guns in game are completely mirrored. While it is odd, as "Gunkatas" pointed out it's probably to look cool and the other things that I'm not going to retype. What is interesting is that on the M16 (maybe others but that's the one I can think of off the top of my head) your character does hit the (now moved) mag release with his thumb as he pulls out the mag. So even though they mirrored it, they changed the animation accordingly, nice touch... Alex T Snow 07:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I havent seen vids of the new M16 in the game, but does the character tap the forward assist when he reloads? If he does, is the forward assist on the other side Excalibur01

No you rack the action when you reload, there's only one reload animation for everything, not mid-mag and empty ones like in Call Of Duty, sadly on most of the other guns, well, ARs and SMGs mainly, you never chamber the gun, just change mags. Oh and I just checked a video, there actually isn't a forward assist at all. Alex T Snow 07:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing is that in the cut scenes, Marlo, the guy you play, has his XM8 with the shells ejecting from the left while the 2 other guys on the team with XM8s got theirs the right side. Then suddenly in another cutscene, the hole is on the RIGHT side!Excalibur01

Luckily the brass doesnt get in the way of sight or bothers you that much Excalibur01

Yea, it just hits you in your virtual face)
I've noticed some guns do eject to the left. It is correct, as many of the guns are ambidextrous. While it should be configured for a right handed person (in game they use the left handed set-ups) so you don't get hit in the face. But the XM8, the Scar, and other guns, in real life, can be set up to eject the shell to the right. 74.175.101.2 11:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not saying that they CAN'T be switched to eject from the left and right, but the fact that it IS ejecting to the left when the user is right handed. Excalibur01

I recently unlocked the M16, and yea they Majorly messed up...NEVER have I even HEARD of a real M16 ejecting to the left, damn thing was never meant to be an ambi gun.74.175.101.2 11:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Hell, at least give 'em credit for making the PKM eject to the left --Yocapo32 01:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks like the cover to MW2

Does anyone think the cover of the game is like a joke to MW2 since it's almost the same. A soldier with his M16/M4 platform in his right hand walking away. Excalibur01

Don't care.
Who cares? BC2 looks amazing, and I can't wait till March 2nd, because even from the demo, I can tell it's going to rock any FPS gamer's world! M14fanboy
Bad Co 1 didn't, why this would? Games are very similar, by the yay. Good thing it's for PC.
Well the 100 health bar is gone, weapons do more damage, weapons have realistic capacities, vehicles and maps are balanced, new engine allows for 90 percent destructibility M14fanboy

Maybe it's trying to parody the glut of modern FPSs BeardedHoplite 05:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Page Revamp

This page should be revamped as it contains a lot of shitty stuffs put by those anons.--SB2296 07:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

LIGHTHOUSE and othertings

does anyone think the lighthouse on the M16/M203 secreenshot looks just like the lighthouse in half-life 2 when you drive the dune-buggy across the beach right at the end of tha level?

also i am really looking foward to the 4 guys from the first game being brought back, cant wait to preorder this . and when do i get the weapons, are they pre-loaded the on the game, sent to you by email or is there a code in the box when you get the game--Smish34 12:33, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, lemme look at the code so i could tell you.

wow... you are gonna try to steal his code? nice try jackass... --184.35.20.249 17:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Just for the lulz, dood.

ok i'll letyou see...here we go...i'll give it to you now...F**K YOU. just joking i wouldnt do it anyway, and i havent got it so thats why i asked--Smish34 18:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

AEK-971 early prototype - why?

Because it looks cooler, and because DICE can M14fanboy

No, it doesn't.
Well yes it does Mr. Anonymous, I think it looks pretty good. M14fanboy
No. Should be this one[1]
  • Throws up* Jesus! That barely looks like an AK! M14fanboy
Or at least this [2]
Alright, stop showing me these abominations! M14fanboy

M93R or a Modified M9?

Is the M93R really a M93R or is it a modified M9? --FIVETWOSEVEN 01:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

It's an M93R, you can tell by the frame mounted safety M14fanboy

The saftey is slide mounted in the image,just look at the pic, it's a modded M9, plus the grips are wrong, 93r grips differ from the M9's these dont - Capain snikt

alright then, seems another game fails at making M93Rs (this and MW2)M14fanboy
Piece in game has compensated barrel, folding forward grip, 3-round burst. -- It's Raffica variant, by all means not modded 92.
What the heck is a "Raffica" variant? I know quite a bit about Beretta pistols, and I've never heard of any Raffica variant anywhere outside of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (and let's be quite honest, it was named that way to avoid copyright infringement). --Clutch 20:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Then you should know that Berettas are Italian weapons. Try to open Italian-English dictionary. In designation M93R, "R" stands for "Raffica"
Yes, but it has 92 grips and a 92 slide mounted safety. It's easy to get the compensator, grip and even burst mod onto a 92, but switching the safety is another thing entirely.
Safety can be modded too. But I would say that frame + grip on the weapon pictured in the game was manufactured like this, not modded.(Of course, gun looks like this just because of laziness of devs)

I'm guessing you are new to this site, This site goes by what the weapon looks like when it comes to video games, not specifications like its name in game. --FIVETWOSEVEN 01:27, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

And it LOOKS LIKE m93r more then 92 of any kind.
Indeed, and by IMFDB standards, that gun my friend is a modified Beretta 92, most likely an SB by the rounded trigger guard M14fanboy

Thank you, clearly a 92, just cus it swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, doesnt mean it actually is a duck. Its clearly lazy production design down to already havin a m9 skin for the pistols and doing a few adjustments rather than digitally designing a whole new pistol - captain snikt. (Oh and yes raffica is italian for burst, but the calling a 93r a raffica varient just reeks of COD over genuine knowledge.)

Indeed. The designers probably took the M9 skin, stuck a foregrip and extended mag on it, and they have their own not-really-a-Raffica. It is sloppy on their parts though, shame on you DICE! So I just unlocked it today, and it turns out the model you use in the game doesn't even have a foregrip! It just looks like a 92 with an extended mag! M14fanboy
I though they re-skinned most of weapons since the beta. Such inaccuracies are a big minus for developers.
Yessir, I think it's kind of cheap when you take a Beretta M9, Inox it, give it a high cap mag and call it an M93R, that's cheap game design. M14fanboy

Just look at the 93R and Glock 18 in MW2. Excalibur01

By that you mean the modded 92 and the modded Glock 17 --Captain Snikt 21:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

My point exactly Excalibur01
Indeed, both of them are simply semi auto handguns with a few bits tacked on to make them look legit, but us gun people know the difference. When I saw the G18 especially, I asked "Where's the selector?" M14fanboy
In Cod I remember a selector switch on the G18's slide...

Wow, you remember wrong! No selector as its a 17, as the grips are also olive drab, which isnt available on the 18--Captain Snikt 14:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Let's just pretend that switch is on the right side if the slide, ok. And game set in the future so od finish might be possible.
Yeah, you go ahead and pretend, while the rest of us work on what's actually there in front of us so we can accurate do our jobs right Excalibur01

Dude, th selector isn't on the right side as when your weilding the gun in your left hand (either akimbo or on the snowmobile) you see there is still no selector. Why dont we just pretend the magic fairies made it a Glock 18. And sign your posts, I wanna know who I'm proving wrong --Captain Snikt 04:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Curse you anonymous users! Anyways, yeah, we're not going to just lie and say it's a Glock 18 for the hell of it. We get our guns corect on this site, and if you wanna be correct, the M39R in MW2 and BC2 is a 92, and the Glock 18 is a Glock 17, end of story. M14fanboy

Now this is just me but I'd say the first person view of the M93 is a converted Beretta Inox. Maybe this could be mentioned in the article?ShaDow XPS

You can get a Glock 18 with a OD grip, check out team glocks website, you can even get a coyote tan frame. --FIVETWOSEVEN 00:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I doubt Brazilian militia and such would have them sold the them by Glock. M14fanboy
Not by Glock, but by black market dealers. The only question is the price. But those militian coons have converted G17s anyway.

yeah the weapons in MW2's campaign were just poor, alot of them made no sense, unlikely that the militia would have AKs with RIS rails and such, 1887 shotguns in such a large amount, and especially Glocks converted or Glock 18s by IW standards.

And on the 1887s, you better hope those are Uberti or Norinco replicas. Original 1887s and even 1901s are EXTREMELY RARE, and sawing the barrel and stock of one would be like cutting the feet and head off your child, just WRONG! Especially considering it's in the hands of useless Brazilian militants who just get it taken and used against them by a Canadian teenager (yours truly) in the game. I like to call it Vintage Shotgun Rain. M14fanboy

Could you guys take this over to the MW2 page or get back onto point with the M93R?ShaDow XPS

What the heck is the M1 Garand?

It doesn't look like the M1, Is it a error on the designers part or is it another gun that the designer thought was the M1 Garand. --FIVETWOSEVEN 01:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

~Uh, the Garand in BC2 looks like the M1 Garand to me mate M14fanboy

Yeah, look at both pictures and try to find at least 5 differences. Either that is one of M1 prototypes or modeler got too much freedom and mixed M1903 or this[3]with M1.
Shit, your right, that looks like a cross between a Garand and 1903 with a magazine that goes in the bottom, odd thing isn't it? M14fanboy

Isn't that supposed to be a Type 5 (Japanese Garand)? It's used by the Japanese in the first single player mission and it has Japanese coat of arms on the receiver.

I think you just got it mate. When I saw it in the first mission with the lighter wood on the stock, I figured it might be that Japanese Garand copy that they only made like 7 of. Also, can anyone help me with this: When I go to register my BC2 on BF Vets, i click on it and it doesn't let me enter my GT, the little window to put your GT in doesn't come up, what do I do? M14fanboy
Gimme your GT, i'll try it for you.

No, that's not Type 5. It was exact copy of M1 except calibre, magazine(10 round integral mag vs 8 round en-bloc in Garand's rifle) and shape of sights. Japs assembled ~250. More parts were made though. The most sticking-out difference between in-game weapon and real M1 is gas-block and shorter piston pipe. Also, i just noticed, jap "Garand" in game uses that same en-bloc clips as M1 instead of being loaded by 2 stripper-clips.

That's what bothered me during the first mission. All the Japanese had M1 Garands. We can assumed they might have captured US weapons cause they are better than their own rifles, but they all have the Imperial Japanese emblem on the rifle. This was just weird to me until I researched that the Japanese did make a copy of the M1, but in so many numbers like this is somewhat strange. It is the first appearance of the Japanese M1 copy in a game. Excalibur01
No, Japanese garands were present in other BF games. And weapon in game is indeed an M1 Garand with Imperial Seal on it and swapped rear sight.
so it's a mish mash of a Garand and Type 5? M14fanboy
I just realized that the "mag" on the bottom is actually the Trigger housing for the M1 Garand. The only thing is, Dice made it slanted rather than flat...74.175.101.2
How do you screw up making an M1 Garand for a game? Excalibur01
Well the in game model looks fine, just whoever drew or designed the picture for the weapons screen needs his eyes checked. M14fanboy
It is kinda unlikely at all for the Japanese conservatives to impliment a semi auto rifle to compete with the US during the war. They were really old school and really believe the guns they had used beating the Russians and Chinese were good enough against the USA. Excalibur01
With their Arisakas they were just gettin' PWNED ANALY too badly by US forces with M1s. That made them shit on their "conservatism" and shamelessly copy Garand's rifle.
Them shamelessly copying the Garand was a step up for their current weapons. If these M1 copies were in full production, they might have started to have a chance against the US, that and if they had more SMGs Excalibur01
wouldn't have helpped much, take their "armor" for example
The Japanese had Armor? Excalibur01

Also, they didn't screw up with the M1, they got "lazy" again, and just used the Type 5. @Excalibur They had "armor" to an extent, and it was trash. Basically tin cans with guns.

US Shermans wasn't much better either.
You didn't get my joke. Excalibur01
The US shermans were LEAPS and BOUNDs better than the Japanese garbage. They may have not have been as nice as Panzers, but they were a generals dream. Cheap, easy to mass produce, and effective en masse. 74.175.101.2 16:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, in bundle with expendable crews..

It's possible that this weapon is some sort of Franken-gun. It definitely doesn't look like a Garand but it's function is different than a Type 5. A possibility exists that the developers simply heard of a Japanese copy of the Garand but didn't really know about its operating principles. It wouldn't be the first time a video game didn't know how a gun works - Mauser Fox

Proper reload animations

What keeping game developers from making weapons in game function authentically to their real-life counterparts? Is that lack of info or dontgiveashitaboutitwillsellanyway or something else?

I would say "dontgiveashitaboutitwillsellanyway"--184.35.22.254 00:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The reload animation or lack of sometimes. A lot of the guns, when you are empty, you reload mag and just continued firing without pressing on any release or racking the charging handle, but the handguns, the slide doesnt lock back when empty and you rack the slide in mid reloads Excalibur01

not to mention when you reload the Thompson mid-mag, you always lock back the bolt, which would eject the round that would be in the chmaber with a mid-mag reload. M14fanboy
Tommy gun fires from an open bolt, if you forget. Bolt shouldn't be in forward position. What wrong is that when you reload mid-mag bolt locks forward, but no shot follows it(looks like a misfire, but a misfire everytime! C'mon..) , then you reload fresh magazine and rack the charging handle back with spent cartridge casing ejecting in meantime.
Oh, well that makes sense, but in BC2 it just looks like he locks it back from the forward position. M14fanboy
Yas, they have only one animation, and that is for empty mag reload. Why it looks strange when you reload mid-mag i already noted above.
Yessir, racking the slide or bolt on a gun when reloading even mid-mag is just cheap game design, cool looking yes, practical no. M14fanboy


same with the beretta 92. you empty the mag load a new one then pull back the chamber instead of releasing the chamber--Smish34 20:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, also, the servers today were down, and they've been messed up lately, DICE really needs to work on them. M14fanboy

I am curious as to why the M16A4 is the only Assault Rifle to feature a charging handle animation ? G36Ghost

In game pictures?

Can someone get some high quality In-game pictures of the weapons?--FIVETWOSEVEN 01:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I would, but currently all my capture stuff on in the epic fail section of things I own, so no go from me M14fanboy

Server Fail?

I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, but when I backed out to the menu to join a squad today, when I checked my weapons and gadgets I had nothing unlocked, the only guns that even showed up were the default ones, and I was rank 1, yet my dogtags and scoreboard placing was still there, I also saw on EAs twitter that this problem has been widely reported, so has this happened to anyone else? M14fanboy

You just answered your question yourself.
I may have, but I mostly wanna know now if anyone had this problem and if it's been fixed? M14fanboy
It's fixed. But you gotta start unlocking everything again.
Your kidding me! Those idiots just lost me 17 hours of gameplay, unlocks and weapon stars, and they can't even restore it? Now I'm pissed, I think DICE and EA owe everyone who lost their unlocks something. M14fanboy
They don't own you anything. You already bought their game.
Yes, and the proceeded to basically ERASE 17 HOURS of gameplay and unlocks, that's complete and utter bullshit (pardon my french). M14fanboy
Some times i'll join a game and it'll show me not having anything, but after sitting there yelling angerly it eventualy shows my stuff.--184.35.22.254 03:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
The same thing happened to be, I went on earlier, and all my shit was back again, so I guess EA must have fixed it, but to anyone who loses their stuff for good, that sucks amigos. Meanwhile, time to continue my "Quest for the VSS" M14fanboy
It's pretty fun to use. even when you don't feel like sniping you can just stap the red dot on it and use it like a VAL.--184.35.22.254 06:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
9A-91 ~ AS. VSS is weak for CQC. Even SVU with RDS would be better. Heavy bullet of 9x39 cartridge flies by very curved trajectory - about 1m drop on 200m. Did devs got it correct?
They got the drop about right.--184.35.22.254 16:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I plan to use it as a Val stand it, as it seems pretty weak for sniping. When I wanna properly snipe, I go for the GOL or the M95. M14fanboy

M1911

From in game pics isn't it the WWI model and not the A1? It has the shortened ejection port...

Yeah, and Beretta 93R is 92, and M1 Garand is miscarriage of m1903 and so on... Blame it on dontgiveashit "creative" modelers.
Thing is, the game doesn't list the M1911 as the A1 variant, and it properly portrays the M1911. The M1 is quite accurate with the exception of the bottom mag. The M93R is a M93R, just silvered and the grip is folded up.
Wrong completely on the M93R. The in game model has NO foregrip, not to mention a slide mounted safety and 92 grips. The designers literally took the M9 from the game, stuck a burst mode, silver finish and 20 round mag on it, and called it an 93R. M14fanboy

I have to agree with mr nameless on the .45 i think it should be changed to just 1911, but dude, look abve at the 93r section, its an M9, what the hell is silvered by the way lol - Captain Snikt

Differences?

So I keep hearing that this game is amazing, but I've never played it, or any of the other games in the series. The only multiplayer FPSs I have on my console are Halo 3, and Modern Warfare 2. I'm thinking about getting this game, but can someone explain to me how the gameplay is different from MW2? Like, how experience, attachments, various equipment, and such is different? Acora 09:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

-It's ALL about teamplay. Wanna win -- gotta help the common good. Although,you can play lonewofl if you watch so much.
-There are less weapon customisation. Only scopes and GLs. Weapon arsenal is more "realistic"(imao)
-Much bigger maps than MW2.
-Vehicles.
-MW2 vs. BFBC2? Both good.
-If you enjoy military FPS games, you definitely need to check it out.
-Watch some reviews.

Okay, I'll probably get it. Still, less weapon customization makes me sad, and vehicles I'm kinda iffy about, but I'm glad that it's more team based. Acora 17:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Not a whole lot of options for perks like MW2. People are harder to kill. You can blow up buildings completely to get rid of campers. Excalibur01

For the singleplayer aspect, I do highly recommending playing the first Bad Company to get to know the characters in the story. BC2's story isn't as funny as the first one. They left out a lot of humor for this whole seriousness mood. Excalibur01

Eh, seriousness has it's upsides. And is every building in the map completely destructible? Acora 19:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Just about, and it helps in MP, because M-COM stations can be collapsed instead of blown up, so that can be a good alternative. Also, I agree that story was less humorous, not to mention no "Rainbow Sprinkles" ad this time! M14fanboy
Another great tactic a friend and I have employed is to collapse buildings where snipers often hide, and to basically use mortart strikes to open the walls of building containing M-COM stations and other objectives. A friend and I, working as a two sniper team, managed about 50 kills last night without moving, simply because, with the SPOT perk, we were illuminating targets for people closer to them (and getting that sweet 20 points for basically looking in the right direction). --Asmkillr323 11:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I love those trailers of the first one. Rainbow Sprinkles, Bad World, and the Metal Gear Solid one. I also remember one where the camera guy talks and pisses them off. It was an early trailer Excalibur01

The singleplayer story (Spoiler)

Anyone who has played the singleplayer of the first Bad Company and then played this one scratching their heads? I assume this is a sequel, story wise. At the end of the first story the team rides off with a truck full of gold. And at the start of BC2, they are back in the fight and never mentioned their score of gold at all...Is there supposed to be an explanation for that? Excalibur01

Probably spent it all on whores and booze.
That's what I would do if I somehow procured lots of gold. Oh, and new guns, too. Acora 19:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
I think it acts like teh first game didn't happen, much.

well they dissapeared in themiddle of a war-zone after going AWOL dont you think they would be either kicked out or in jail?, also i havent played it but is ti still funny like the first with the cool music in carsand stuff like that? smish34

No actually its suposed to take place inbetween the first BC mission and the invassion if the neutral country of something-stanGunner 00:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

If thats so, then why are you still FNG?74.175.101.2 17:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Same reason because most guns eject to the left in this game

Marlowe isn't an FNG, the reason the guys depend on him so much is because of his "well-roundedness." Sarge-Sarge, Haggard-Rifleman, Sweetwater-Support Gunner, Marlowe-Grenadier 74.175.101.2 14:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Sarge and Haggard also have grenade launchers on their rifles, so Marlowe can't be the Grenadier. Excalibur01

He has more grenades in him and actually knows how to use that luncha properly.
That's because DICE didnt work on their AI to use their launchers Excalibur01
That doesn't change anything. Marlow is a grenadier.
If you go by the fact they have Nade launchers, then everyone carrying an assault rifle is a grenadier. And since Marlowe is the only one to actually use his, he IS the grenadier. 74.175.101.2 17:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Well that's because you, the player, ARE Marlowe. It's kinda stupid for you NOT to use the grenade launcher Excalibur01
Of course you use it, but the AI never uses it. They're riflemen because all they use is their rifle, otherwise they "could be" a grenadier. 74.175.101.2 11:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
So what? They have lauchers on their weapons means they possibly could use it. Otherwise they wouldn't have it. They all're Grenadiers. Or you can call them storm\trupers, if you like so.
What if you never use your Launcher throughout the entire game? Maybe I relied on my ingenuity and awesomeness? In that case, Marlowe is by no means the grenadier.
The nade launchers are on ALL the assualt rifles. Does that make everyone a grenadier? NO. 74.175.101.2 14:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Every rifle not supposed to have nubtube. So blame it on the DICE.

If you let the A1 chat amongst themselves Sweetwater and Haggard mention that they never made it over the border before loosing the gold and getting roped back in. And Haggard isnt a rifle man he is the demolitions expert - Captain Snikt

Am I the only one who was annoyed about this game not being funny like the first game? - DM

I don't remember much of the single player of the first game. The biggest thing that irks me is that the conversations that your team have amongst each other. Those are really funny but, at least on the 360 version, the volume is so low on them that you can't really hear them. John Ryder

rex and m14

In game the Rex's barrel looks lengthed. The M14 has 1/2 a magpul

ALSO The M1 for the picture in the armory looks like the type 5.

Let's not forget despite claims of a 20 round magazine, the EBR in game only has a 10 round magazine. M14fanboy

I find that the lack of a 20 round magazine and being unable to put a sight on it has ruined the gun for me. I was looking forward to using a ACOG with it.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC) and can someone get some ingame pictures of these guns?

Indeed, 10 round mags and not even Red Dot capable did it in for me. It's alright, but I prefer a proper AR. I heard the G3 was better, considering it has the epic HK sights, a 20 round magazine, and full auto fire. Though I noticed what I think is a glitch. Despite the weapon page in game saying it's unlocked at Rank 26, I've seen guys Rank 23 and 24 with them, and not as a stolen kit. What I believe now is you actually get it at Rank 22, which is Warrant Officer, why it's messed i the weapon screen is beyond me. M14fanboy

The M24 apparently was originally chambered for 30-06 MAGNUM, I got to get me one of those. --FIVETWOSEVEN 01:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey I hate to say this but some of the guns described here are only in Badcompany not badcompany 2 some of them are able to transfer over for multiplayer only not everysingle one. I don't have a full list of the ones that can't transfer over but I'll get oneGunner 00:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm that all guns listed on the Bad Company 2 page are in the game. I have unlocked all the guns in Multiplayer except for the Garand (don't have Battlefield 1943) and the UMP (working on that one).--Gunkatas 20:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Bullshit descriptions

What a n00b wrote those descriptions in weapon menu screen

I dunno, details? M14fanboy
I dunno either.
Don't take it so seriously, it's just flavor text in a video game.

Screenshots

I will be putting up screenshots of the weapons soon. G3 is already up. --Gunkatas 08:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you make them any smaller? They're flippin' HUGE! The raw pics take up a lot of space. MoviePropMaster2008 08:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I'll try, but all I do is just push the print screen button during gameplay and put it into Paint (Current Res 1680 x 1050). I'll try to shrink it before putting it up.--Gunkatas 17:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Use Fraps instead. Also Irfanview can batch process images to shrink/convert them into differnet file formats

Added HK 416. Reduced the size by about 1/2. If it is still too large, I will put up smaller ones.--Gunkatas 17:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Add more juicy screenshots

Added PP-2000. Was planning on adding the tracer dart gun, AT4, and possibly the 1911 but EA servers are dead again. *sigh* Will put them up when servers are working again.--Gunkatas 20:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Can't you start up LAN host? Or get screens from single player. Get Garand, Type 100, TOZ shotty screens, would you.

Couldn't sleep for some reason so I got the Garand, Type 100, TOZ and Browning 1919 from the single player. --Gunkatas 04:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Tnx

Added Tracer Gun. The reason that one looks better than the other ones is because I used an actual photo editing program I forgot I had to resize it from 1680x1050 to 800x500 instead of resizing it by eye in MS paint. --Gunkatas 20:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

You can resize by percent in Paint.
If it's possible please add ego view screenshots for all weapons.

Below is an unknown MGL encountered in singlplayer. If anyone can identify and put it up on the main page, much appreciated.--Gunkatas 20:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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Possibly fantasy gun.
its a QLZ-87 automatic grenade launcher


I have added a whole bunch of weapon screenshots tonight. AEK-971, QBU-88, SCAR-L, and AG-36 reload animation are new, added further screens of TOZ (the one I put up initially was crap, feel free to take it down if you want to), and MG36 and XM8 in single player. If there are specific weapons you want a screenshot taken of, request it here. I will eventually put them all up, but will put an emphasis on requests. Finals are over and I got the summer ahead of me. (Also, thanks to whoever caught my mistakes of putting the AUG screenshots under the F2000) --Gunkatas 06:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Hardcore mode?

One of the descriptions, it says that the MG36's optic has issues on hardcore, is there a hardcore mode similar to CoD4s?--FIVETWOSEVEN 17:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. It removes all HUD items except for the current ticket count of the attackers (# of respawns left until end of round) and the field of view of current allies and marked enemies. No minimap, no ammo count. Health is reduced by 1/2.--Gunkatas 17:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Is this CoD4 inspired?
I'm a big MG36 user, and I can confirm the above. The Red Dot that's built into the MH36 doesn't show up on Hard Core mode, you just aim down an empty circle, basically MW2 EMP style. M14fanboy
They tried to make it real hardcore. Are bullets at least flying straight?
Yes, but they drop over distance.--Gunkatas 20:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Does all bullets have the same drop?

Only Snipers drop, and the M95 is the worstBeardedHoplite 16:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably. The only time I've been able to notice the drop is when I'm sniping. Otherwise, it's just guesswork. At medium-long ranges, the only time I ever try to kill someone is with the M60 w/ 4x scope. Makes a great EBR if you do single shot.--Gunkatas 21:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Is AyCOG really magnifies 4 times or its the same CoD bullshit?
Not sure. It zooms in more than the red dot sight but more than likely it just increases the accuracy setting on the gun. This is just a guess though.--Gunkatas 04:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

If you put Red dot or ACOG on any sniper rifle, the rounds won't drop at all, it's very convient for CQB. BeardedHoplite 15:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Attachment

At least BC2 was more to details to correct GL attachment than MW2. Most of the rifles have accurate attachments Excalibur01 19:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

AG36 is correct, yes. What else?

The F2000's GL is correct. Excalibur01

Yea, rite.. What else? That's it.
Well the AUG, M16 and M416 are all designed for the M203, the F2000 has it's ELGM, the XM8 the AG36 and the AN-94 and AEK have their GP-25s, so they got it all right. M14fanboy
Tha fakt tha thei din get thei gunz tu ejec to prope side overweighghs al correc attachmens. Aso thei koold throw in EOTech sight, and it koult bi placez on NATO raifles.
The switched ejection was done for aesthetic purposes. The weapons take up a lot of space on the right side of the screen, and the developers wanted to have empty casings flying out of the gun to be visible to the firer. And yes, EOTechs would be nice, but you can't have everything. And please learn the language. It's not particularily difficult. Ramell
Yas, bat whai zen haf ofza ganz extrak tu tha righgh az it suposd tuu (VSS,AEK,G3 fo exmpl)?

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ What the hell? --FIVETWOSEVEN 02:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I know English can be a hard thing to grasp for other nations, but please try to learn, otherwise use a translation program. But if you are 10 years old...learn some english still Excalibur01

In singleplayer (and i'm guessing multiplayer), the sight for the GL on the F2000 is shown to be on the right side of the gun. Is this correct?--Gunkatas 08:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

browning M2

why is there no browning M2 on this page it is bounted on top of the abramas tank --Armyguy277 21:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Maybe because there is no Abrams tank on this page..

the american tank in the game has a browning M2 on it.

Then go take a screenshot of the tank and add it to the page.

I cant it wont work

More pistols

Do you feel sometimes that all the sidearms are crappy? Well I do and its annoying! There should be some high damage medium accuracy and low fire rate pistols.

You must be just using the M9. The 1911 and the revolver are much better. --Hammerbrute 14:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

No i´m using the 1911 and i have used the revolver(So crappy can´t remember it´s name).

Umm, the pistols aren't that bad, they're not meant to be primarys, they're something to use when you run out of ammo for your primary, or when walking around and as a means of defense as a sniper. They're well represented in game as how good they should be in relation to everything else. And the 1911 and MP-412 are both high damage, medium (good actually) accuracy, low rate of fire pistols. The MP-443 is low damage, medium accuracy, high rate of fire, and the M9 is medium damage, medium accuracy, medium rate of fire (good all around). The M93R is kind of odd in game, but other than that you've got good pistols for one side or the other. Alex T Snow 06:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I've seen videos when people use the M93 and it seems most of the time they just dump the mag without any good results.--66.30.50.180 02:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yea... that's what I meant by odd. It kinda pisses me off when a game gives a gun that is the same calibre as another lower damage because it has a higher rate of fire. I say let the uncontrollability balance the gun... Alex T Snow 07:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


The following [Link] gives a spread sheet stating the damage done, damage done over distance, accuracy, spread, reload speed, blast radius, health and much more on each vehicle, item, and weapon in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer. This info is taken from the PC version of the game and is up to date as of the R7/R10 updates. He should update if anything significant changes. It is quite encompassing. --Gunkatas 07:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


Nambu pistol

During operation Aurora (first campaign mission) I noticed that the scientist uses what looks like a nambu type 14, but almost never fires it. Go up to him during gameplay and you'll see it.

Odd Gun choices

Since this is a website populated by fellow gun enthusiasts, I'll bite. Why the hell do we see US troops in the single-player campaign armed with XM8s and Vietnam-vintage M60E1's? And why are the Russian soldiers that you face armed with Carl Gustavs, Barrett sniper rifles, and Chinese SAWs and grenade launchers? This is even worse than Modern Warfare 2 when you take into account that A) Bad Company 1 got appropriate weapons right and B) guns such as RPG-7s, M16s, and the like are already fully implemented in game? It's just something that bugs me... - DerKrieger

Because it's a very actiony game.

They really don't care about the weapons anymore. I think with the dawn of the Cod4 era, people stopped seeing guns as tools of war/utility and started seeing them as playing cards to trade with friends. Also, it's just a progression from BC1; EVERY GUN in that game had incorrect capacities and almost EVERY gun ejected left-handed, even though the characters are all right-eye dominant and hold the weapons in their right hands. It's like BLACK, with its useless RIS rails and the like.

Action-shooters and their glorification of ignorance. "Who cares how it functions or looks if it goes bang? Looks like that awesome .50 cal, right?"

Ffs.

And just in case someone disagrees, it's just an opinion. Probably going to get deleted anyway.

72.189.150.170

It's all for the sake of gameplay. They choose exotic weapons because 1. They provide different enough appearances and silhouettes for quick player identification at range. 2. It makes the weapons actually different; if they were trying to be realistic with who uses which guns then all of the guns would be 5.56 assault rifles with 750-900 rpm. They need to make the weapons functionally different, otherwise all the guns would be too similar, so what'd be the point if there are essentially ten copies of the same gun?

It isn't glorifying ignorance, it's just good game design. And for the record, the reason why everything has rails on it now is because it's an easy and effective method for 3d artists to put more detail on the gun models, so the players have more eye candy. --Mr-Jigsaw 08:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

The Battlefield series has never been about realism, that's why they take liberties with the guns that are used. I think it's also for the sake of variety, you see M16s, AK-47s, and RPG-7s in EVERY modern combat game out there. With a game like Battlefield, where it's expected that they aren't intensive about their gun realism, I like to see guns that haven't been used 100 times before. I understand where you're coming from though, I disliked the lack of gun accuracy in the past 2 Call of Duty games, but it was more of a disappointment for me, because I expected the game to have a degree of authenticity when it comes to that.

Vietnam Expansion.

There's going to be a Vietnam expansion for Bad Company 2 as a DLC. Since it's going to be so different should there be a new page for it or just add it to the current one because it's a DLC?--Gunkatas 06:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, it would be better to add this to original Game page :) --Werc 11:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
When I saw the trailer for the expansion, I blew a load. I mean, a superb FPS getting a Vietnam expansion? There is a god man! Also, the trailer itself is plainly epic, look it up! M14fanboy


unknown gun

ok there is a HMG mountied on the russian T-90 tank in this game does any one know what it is also give me a second and i will post the pick off it --Armyguy277 17:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


Error creating thumbnail: File missing

I shrunk the size of your pic. There's no need to display the full size in the discussion, put it as a thumbnail. People can click on the picture to get the full size. Anyways, I don't know what it is.--Gunkatas 23:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC) 

sorry i put it bigger so it would be easyer to tell what the gun was --Armyguy277 11:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Returning Guns in Vietnam Expansion

Should we add the guns returning in the Vietnam Expansion (like the Uzi) in the extended page or just add to the original games page? --FirearmsNewbie 23:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I say we put it in the extended page, much like how there were subheading in the new MoH game for single player and multiplayer.--Gunkatas 00:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

870MCS/SPAS-12

What is the diff between the SPAS-12 and the 870MCS in game exactly, besides the look, because i unlocked it yesterday and used it, and i didn't really see a diff between that and the 870MCS, same mag tube size, same damage, same accuracy. If there's any difference it'd have to be that you pump the SPAS-12 quicker...87.50.56.228

I haven't noticed any difference between the SPAS/870/NS2000. The only difference with the Neostead is that it has a different reloading animation but same reload speed.--FIVETWOSEVEN 21:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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