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Can you even shoot buckshot out of a shotgun with a suppressor? I've never scene one in real life, but my understanding is that the inside is not exactly barrel like, or as durable, couldn't the buckshot possibly scatter enough while inside to damage it? [[Special:Contributions/174.112.18.193|174.112.18.193]] 22:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC) | Can you even shoot buckshot out of a shotgun with a suppressor? I've never scene one in real life, but my understanding is that the inside is not exactly barrel like, or as durable, couldn't the buckshot possibly scatter enough while inside to damage it? [[Special:Contributions/174.112.18.193|174.112.18.193]] 22:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
When a shotgun fires buck shots, the metal balls don't bounce around the barrel, otherwise, the first time you shoot it, the barrel would be ruined. What happens with a shotgun shot is that the balls stay clustered together for a time and the farther away it goes, the more spread pattern is. 22:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Colt Delta Elite or a smaller frame 1911?
I thought the Delta Elite wasn't manufactured until 1987. Could this be another anachronism?
- I'm a little more curious to know what makes us think this is a Delta Elite to begin with. It looked to me like it might have just been a regular Commander-type 1911. But if it is a Delta Elite, then yes, it is yet another of the movie's many firearms-related anachronisms.
- I thought it was a 1911 myself.
- I agree, does not look like a Delta Elite to me. Don't know why it is considered to be one.
- It also seems like a 1911 would be way more common for a sheriff to carry than a Delta Elite.
- I don't mean to be rude to the person that made this page, but unless we can find a good reason to state this is a Delta Elite, I think we should change the section to a 1911.
- It's definitely not a regular 1911 or 1911A1. It has a circular hammer, so it's gotta be a Commander variant such as the Series 80. The only question is whether it's the Delta Elite (which is similar externally to the Commander line, but chambered for 10mm).
- Agreed. Mabey it would be better if we moved this to the discussion page so we do not clutter up the page?
Sheriff Ed Tom's gun has a high-rise beavertail grip safety, visible when he thumb-cocks the gun before entering the El Paso motel. Such grip safeties were not available in 1980, and became popular in the '90s. I can see why someone could think the gun was a Delta Elite, as that was probably Colt's best-known, older 5" gun that came from the factory with a rowel hammer, but, as noted, it wasn't available in 1980. The Combat Government Model was available then, but had neither a beavertail nor rowel hammer. The later Special Combat Government Model does have a rowel hammer, but no beavertail. The Combat Elite - also not available in 1980 - had the rowel hammer, but no beavertail until reintroduced in 2008. Any "1911" can have the hammer switched out, so the presence of the rowel hammer isn't anachronistic, but the beavertail is.
The Book
The ending of the book was way better. The sheriff hunts Anton down and puts a slug in his face-S&Wshooter 04:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually Anton is arrested. It's hard to tell because of the writing style.DRC92
Remington 11-87
Unless this movie is going for historical inaccuracy, the gun would be a Remington 1100. It's not a Remington 11 since it doesn't have the same exterior design. Doubt it would be an 11-48 since the recoil seems too low. The 1100 is the most likely gun, since the Remington 11-87 wasn't produced until 1987, hence the name "Remington 11-87". 70.157.131.56 02:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Book Guns
So far I'm only about a third of the way through the book but I'm pretty surprised as to how close the two follow each other, even in terms of guns used. For example, so far I've seen:
- Moss's "heavybarreled .270 on a '98 Mauser action with a laminated stock of maple and walnut... Unertl telescopic sight of the same power as the binoculars", reflected as a Remington 700 in the film
- the "shortbarreled H&K machinepistol with a black nylon shoulderstrap" that Moss picks up in the book is an H&K SP89 in the film
- Moss finds a "nickelplated government .45 automatic" in the hands of a dead drug dealer, which is what he finds in the film as well (with mentions in the book of the grip safety, etc.)
- Chigurh shoots the two men at trucks with a "nine millimeter Glock", as seen in the film
- Moss buys a "twelve gauge Winchester pump gun and a box of double ought buckshot shells" with references later made to the hammer and his sawing-down process seen exactly duplicated in the film with the Winchester '97 that Moss purchases
- Chigurh carries a "twelve gauge Remington automatic with a plastic military stock and a parkerized finish... fitted with a shopmade silencer fully a foot long and big around as a beercan", fitting the description of the Remington 11-87 he carries in the film
- however, instead of a TEC-9 as he carries in the film, Chigurh uses a "shortbarreled Uzi" with a 25-round magazine in the book during the hotel shootout
Several other guns are mentioned, such as Bell reflecting on "Colts .44-40" and how "if that won't stop him you'd better throw the thing down and take off runnin'" and how he "likes the old Winchester model 97. I like that it's got a hamer. I don't like havin' to hunt the safety on a gun." All in all, safe for the unforgivable error of constantly referring to magazines as "clips", Cormac McCarthy did a good job incorporating guns into the story and the filmmakers did a good job sticking to the ones in the book. (I'll update later once I've read further on.) Speakeasy804 22:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Cobray not MAC-10?
The gun used in the motel doesnt look like a MAC-10, looks more like a Cobray M11. --Mauser 04:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- You may be right the receiver looks longer on the back like on the Cobray. -Predator20 04:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Shotgun Suppressor
Can you even shoot buckshot out of a shotgun with a suppressor? I've never scene one in real life, but my understanding is that the inside is not exactly barrel like, or as durable, couldn't the buckshot possibly scatter enough while inside to damage it? 174.112.18.193 22:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
When a shotgun fires buck shots, the metal balls don't bounce around the barrel, otherwise, the first time you shoot it, the barrel would be ruined. What happens with a shotgun shot is that the balls stay clustered together for a time and the farther away it goes, the more spread pattern is. 22:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)