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ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC) | ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC) | ||
I think spades is right. Unfortunately we will never know unless we contact the armorer. =( | |||
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Revision as of 07:30, 15 July 2010
anyone seen this yet?
wondering if its any good -k9870
nm, noticed its out next week
adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--Smish34 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--86.21.136.74 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.
Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --Captain Snikt 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
youtube content
if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons.
Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.
How do you know about the guns?
I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? Excalibur01
Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.
From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--The Mercenary 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --Dillinger 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC) [1]
Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--Alienqueen11 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --Dillinger 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry Dillinger. I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :) MoviePropMaster2008 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Minigun?
I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --Funkychinaman 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
http://io9.com/5493337/screen-shots-predator/gallery/17
Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2" and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5" andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. Rockwolf66 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and "Ol' Painless" looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --Funkychinaman 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.
I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?
There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive. There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it. There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive. The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun. In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.
Royce
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --Captain Snikt 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --Captain Snikt 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
looks like MEU SOC variant although I cant be sure
Technically speaking, nobody in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but carrying and using are two different things. Spartan198 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior
Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --Spades of Columbia 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. Acora 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the "II" kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a "Moron" but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911. There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out "its a Kimber narf" --Spades of Columbia 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. Acora 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--Spades of Columbia 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.
- It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -Winn
Miltec makes these vests in various colors they cost 40 dollars or something like that often used by airsofters
Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this. I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks AND UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler & Koch PSG1 in the script.
-- Warejaws, March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)
- I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--The Mercenary 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- I dont think a sniper rifle is the best weapon to use ageist a predator.
a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. "There it is!" bang. bang. Movie over.
Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. Spades of Columbia
true, but the only problem is finding it when it cloaked
- I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. Spartan198 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
- If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
- I'm talking about snipers. Snipers are hunters, too. Spartan198 22:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
- If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
Replaced Weapons
Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.
- Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. Spartan198 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Cartels dont usually stroll around with super high tec wepons. A mp5 makes more sense than an mp7.
Just seen it (spoiler warning!)
I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--Captain Snikt 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- So no "You ugly mother fucker" ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie Excalibur01 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo "come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something" You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.
If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? Excalibur01 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, he's the new Dutch. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a little bit less now... Spartan198 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me! --Captain Snikt 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.GaBoy45 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well Excalibur01 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone knows what the pistol Oleg was using?
-Tokarev? It looked single stack and about the same dimensions, and would make sense, didnt see any clear shots.
I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --Captain Snikt 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a Predator fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. Spartan198 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
i didnt see the doctor twist coming and thought lawrence fishburne would be a main character, not just a small role.
Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --Captain Snikt 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? Spartan198 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon
i love how he actually has them relaod, uses different ammo types and uses the light on his surefire forend. The bound predator was supposed look identical, they wanted a 'classic" vs super predtor battle.
So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--Spades of Columbia 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --Captain Snikt 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--Spades of Columbia 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
It's possible (he never fired it, no need for blanks.) but unlikely.
What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--Spades of Columbia 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Cuchillo never fired the 1911. Just his mp5ks.
No, he pulled and fired his 1911 on the Predator Hounds.Humanzie3
Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--Spades of Columbia 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. DKS01 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche Excalibur01 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--Spades of Columbia 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --Captain Snikt 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--Spades of Columbia 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --Captain Snikt 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
The Predators
I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --Captain Snikt 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
moved from main page
Unknown 1911
A M1911-type pistol is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.
On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD Black Kimber Warrior's do come with those grips stock. So I m sure thats what it is.
-1911 style autos are so customizable that it could be anything, not necessarily a Kimber. Without a clear image of the stamps on the slide, it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to any specific 1911 model.
Your not gonna get slide stamps as the pistol never leaves the holster, though based on the grips and odd magazine butt plate I too say kimber
The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.
Looks like it has a nickel or stainless steel finish. BeardedHoplite 18:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--Spades of Columbia 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
It did have a magwell like that. Just saw it. But you can get those after market to so dosent mean its a TRP 1911. The grips are Kimber tan ones. They just get dirty so kind look like ACU. Shame he never used it.
Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--Spades of Columbia 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--Spades of Columbia 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. It was standard with nickle finish. Pretty sure Cuchillo's was the same prop.
Dead soldier with hole in his chest also had a 1911 with the slide locked back in his hands. Funny, they said he was supposed to be in Afghanistan but was wearing tiger stripe!
--Cuchillo's sidearm wasn't "standard". It was customized with some kind of ornate plating. -- User:Warejaws 19:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--Spades of Columbia 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I think spades is right. Unfortunately we will never know unless we contact the armorer. =(
Unknown Handgun
Nicholai (Oleg Taktarov) uses a handgun of unknown make or model, after his minigun is destroyed.
It looked like a Makarov to me. This naturally would fit his character.
Im fairly certain it was a tokarev
Look liked a CZ 52 standing in for a Tokarev. In fact, I'm almost positive it is. Same magazines with the holes on it when he reloaded it. Was way to angeled to be a Tokarev.
It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.
The barrel was much too short to be a Makarov, and it was too angled to be a Tokarev, so I have to agree, it was a CZ 52.