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== H&K USP Compact == | |||
Does anyone find it strange that the Informant came to Jack in EP1 with Jack's Signature USP? | |||
Jack discarded this weapon after it ran dry, and has since taken another one from CTU's Armory. | |||
Could anyone post some more pictures from the later episodes? | |||
Revision as of 11:25, 8 April 2010
FBI Agent Renee Walker's sidearm
Can someone clear this up?
Is Renee Walker's sidearm Glock 23 or Glock 17? (I think someone actually listed her sidearm at Glock 17 in the Glock page).
Thanks in advance.
- Agent Walker's sidearm is a compact model she doe's not use a Glock 17. She is either using a Glock 23 or Glock 19 I'm still confirming the caliber once I look at the bore of the barrel you could just leave the Glock page blank of all 24 activity until I finish rescreencapping Season 7. However I still estimate I'll be done with Season 7 within 2 weeks.
- Whoever keeps changing this back to a Glock 23 is wrong in episode 3 you can look at the barrel of it it is clearly a 9mm not 40 cal thus making it a Glock 19 not a Glock 23. Plus look at Annie Wershing hands they couldn't handle a 40.
- If the actress is using blank ammunition it does not matter whether her hands can handle the recoil of the firearm. Since January 1998, all new agents are trained on the 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 22 pistols, with the smaller 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 23 for those who prefer it. The ultra-compact 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 27 is authorized as concealed backup. Older agents continue to field their SIG-Sauer pistols, if they wish, and even new agents can switch to the 9×19mm guns if they qualify with them. Until Season 7 is finished please post all comments on the discussions page and wait for confirmation from the screencaps.
- You're thinking about it the wrong way. This is a TV show, not real life. Just because the FBI uses the Glock 22/23 in real life doesn't mean the same is true in this show. The Secret Service agents in this show use SIG P228s instead of 299R DAKs (their current real-life issue).
- In Hollywood, most of the semi-auto pistols used are 9mms, because there was a time when gunsmiths in the industry found this caliber to be the most reliable with blanks. Armorers didn't start using newer calibers until fairly recently. When in doubt, we tend to assume a pistol used in a movie is a 9mm, and it's a safe bet here. If the armorer who worked on this show cared THAT much about realism, then they probably would have given the USSS agents the correct sidearm. That they didn't makes me pretty sure that Agent Walker's Glock is probably a 9mm G19. -MT2008
Live Free or Die Hard Armorer
Aside from the gun calibers has anybody noticed that this show uses the same guns as Live Free or Die Hard? I'm now thinking that if this is the same armorer that supplied Die Hard 4 and since gunmaster has identified the Glock 22's it's not so hard to believe that 24 may also be using .40S&W compatible firearms. I've only realized this since season 5.
- This show does not use the same weapons as Live Free or Die Hard. The weapons for that movie were rented mostly from Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry. I'm pretty sure that 24's weapons come mostly from Independent Studio Services (or at least, they did in the 7th season). Anyway, I've told you before: Unless you have some way of confirming it, you should assume that the Glocks in the show are 9mms. If the propmaster that worked on the show was going for realism (meaning, the correct Glock model for the FBI), then why did they use SIG P228s, which in real life are not used by the Secret Service anymore? -MT2008
- Yes I already know about that I just realized that after the 5th season of 24. It has had 13/21 weapons used by Live Free or Die Hard including 2 rare models that are just not seen very much on IMFDB. Especially the Beretta 92G Elite 1A used in Season 7. It was just interesting thing I couldn't get off my head. Thanks for clearing it up I have never heard of Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry before.
Breaking up page by Seasons
How do people feel about breaking up this page by Season (much like Miami Vice)? Being that this show will be beginning its 8th season soon, it might be the time. --Ben41 23:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I support the idea very much. If this page gets polished in near future, 8 seasons worth of guns and screencaps is going to be a bitch to read. - AlkoTanko
- Perhaps when someone gets more guns caps. A lot of the guns don't have screen caps Excalibur01
- At the moment, seasons 1 and 7 could probably have their own separate pages, but the rest of the seasons are incomplete. --Markit 19:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- I own seasons 1-4 so I may start screencapping sometime, however at the moment I'm kinda swamped with schoolwork. --Lews 04:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well I just finished screencapping Season 2, and I think that's pretty much ready to be seperated, and I should be able to start on Season 3 withing a few days. Season 7 is also definitely ready, and I do agree that Season 1 is in need of a bit of a re-vamp. While I'm here, anyone noticed anything I've missed with Season 2? Might as well finish it off while I'm at it... -- BillBuchanan24 16:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- Both Tony and Yusef have Beretta 92FS Inox pistols, Jack gives Kate a Beretta 9000s when they're leaving the warehouse with that Coral Snake guy, The Coral Snake guy had a 1911 pistol along with his uzi, and Kingsley used a pistol in an attempt to kill Jack around the end of the finale, that's all I can think of. --Pølaris 03:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks Pølaris! I'll screencap those now... Looking at it now, might need a little help ID'ing Wallace's 1911... Don't seem to be too many clear frames... Thanks again mate.
Kingsley used a Walther P99.
Season 7 glock 19
For some reason, the following screencaps are missing, so I'm putting them here until someone can reupload. --Ben41 10:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
[Image:Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 - .9mm]]
- There are no missing screencaps the real links are named Glock 23 after the "24S7E3". Not Glock 19. 5 weeks ago a anonymous user kept on changing the Glock 23 pictures and title to a Glock 19. I posted a message on his IP Address (not that he ever received it) to stop changing the title and pictures. He changed all the the links including the picture names to "Glock 19". Until I am finished screencapping Season 7 probably until late January nobody should edit Season 7. Based on his lack of editing skills and not checking his work I assume his experience is insufficient. I do not want to ban 24 off limits to anonymous users because there have been some great help in identifying firearms. If you can please ban IP Address 68.53.41.248! --HKFan 12:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- I fixed the links. Someone needs to move them back to the main page, I'm not sure where they need to go. --Predator20 21:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Bazahaev's shotgun
Does anybody know what kind of shotgun Sergei used on jack? it had a folding stock SPAS 12 style but the action was all wrong. 65.29.239.251 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
My guess is a Remington 870 with folding stock and extended magazine tube. --Crazycrankle 14:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
No, I'm pretty sure it was a SPAS 12. For some reason, Bazahaev chose to cycle it manually. The episode is on Hulu right now if someone want to check it out. --Funkychinaman 21:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm siding with Crazycrankle on this one. The stock did look like it came off of a SPAS-12, but the rest of the gun looked nothing like a Spas to me. --Clutch 21:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I uploaded two screenshots I grabbed from Hulu. (I hope that's okay from a legal standpoint. If it's not, I apologize.)It's a bit dark, and the images are a bit blurry, but I'm not really sure anymore. --Funkychinaman 23:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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![[1]](http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:24_shotgun1.jpg){kind=link}
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![[2]](http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:24_shotgun2.jpg){kind=link}
Notice the differences/similarities. Looks like a SPAS-12 stock, and a 870 everything else. The whole design of the SPAS-12 is rather unique in my mind, this looks rather generic. The images are rather low quality, apologies. --Crazycrankle 05:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
...But ...That doesn't even look close to a SPAS-12 stock. It has neither the squared-off buttpad, nor the holes in the sides of the strut. It looks like a run-o'-the-mill 870 Police folding stock...--PistolJunkie 05:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Heh, I was looking at the top of the stock, not the sides. Oops, but oh well. Unmodified 870 folder it is. --Crazycrankle 05:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Wow, those shots are pretty clear. Well, that clinches it. Remington 870 it is. --Funkychinaman 05:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Can somebody add those pictures to the article, secttion where he uses the gun.
Sergei's guard
One of the guards that kidnapped Jack had what looked like an HK MP5k, but I never saw a paddle mag release so i'm thinking SP89 mocked up? 65.29.239.251 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
S8 - 1am - 2am
Just watched this episode.
A Small Pistol was hidden in a car along with a handcuff key.
Saw a CTU Agent forced to give up his Glock, standard size model.
Other CTU Agents carried what looked like M933 with foregrips and c-more sights.
Looked like Terrorists were using a similar weapon to the M933.
The small pistol; looks to be a PPK, and their not 933's, just standard M4's. Glock 17's appear to be CTU standard issue so it's safe to assume that's what it was. --Crazycrankle 23:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Since when do terrorists use M4s?, they look more like HK416s to me. If they were using M4s, there would have been a report of those assault rifles being stolen from police, FBI, SWAT, CTU etc.
Kiefer Sutherland
How come they never give Kiefer Sutherland any action movies with drama in it?
- Maybe he's not a good actor? My only problem with Kiefer is that after 7 seasons of firing guns, he still flinches all the time.--Pølaris 03:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- As we've explained before, blanks have far more flash than live rounds. It's pretty hard not to flinch. -MT2008 14:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I noticed his blinking during the first few episodes of this season. I think it has more to do with the loud bang than the muzzle flash. They can't wear a big set of ear muffs, so they have to wear small plugs that barely muffle the sound. Also blinking is different than flinching. Flinching is when you close your eyes before you even fire, at least that's the way I see it. --Predator20 16:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I had no idea blanks produced a bigger flash.--Pølaris 17:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I noticed his blinking during the first few episodes of this season. I think it has more to do with the loud bang than the muzzle flash. They can't wear a big set of ear muffs, so they have to wear small plugs that barely muffle the sound. Also blinking is different than flinching. Flinching is when you close your eyes before you even fire, at least that's the way I see it. --Predator20 16:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- As we've explained before, blanks have far more flash than live rounds. It's pretty hard not to flinch. -MT2008 14:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
24 of 24?
Is there gonna be 24 seasons of this show?
Kiefer Sutherland will be close to 60, if there is 24 seasons in this show.
- So...?
- "Is there"? -MT2008
If the show continues to have high ratings, then maybe.
- Seriously? 24 seasons? Would be a first. Stargate is one of the only shows I've seen that has 10 seasons. A show is lucky to survive 4 seasons. Let alone 8 (24 now), 9 (Smallville), 10 (Stargate) Excalibur01 19:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
10 and it's only SG-1, not counting other shows from Stargate universe.
- I was mentioning SG-1. And I hope to God Universe gets cancel before it gets to season 2. Excalibur01
Sadly no. Fox has announced that this current season will be the last. [3] --Crazycrankle 15:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
They may also leave a few questions unanswered like what happened to Mandy, where abouts is Chase and what happened to Tony after he was arrested???
I also heard everybody saying that the most useless and pointless character in this current season is Dana Walsh.
Until the last episode, that was the case. Now she's been revealed to be working for the bad guys, things are a bit different now. --Crazycrankle 00:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Well lets all hope she dies or gets arrested at end, and I just hope that they do not copy her character from Nina Myers.
Assault Rifles
Has anyone noticed that the terrorists are starting to use H&K G36Cs more than Ak47s?
- What's your point these terrorist's are well financed and have better training than average insurgent's in Afghanistan. I've definitely noticed it, the first time I saw a G36C in this show was in Season 5 Episode 9 and a G36K in the back of a CTU SUV in Season 2. You may be able to ship 20 terrorists to this country but not get a stash of AK47 crates through customs (not that it's ever been done). In a real life scenario your enemies preferred weapon of choice would be america's most popular assault rifle, the AR-15. Think about what assault rifle you would pick if you were supplying blank converted assault rifles to this show. -HKFan 10:23, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I just want to point things out and I obviously know the Taliban and Al Qadea aren't as well financed compared to the IRA or Colombian FARC. Also I will think about what assault rifles to pick and use against the enemies.
- The IRA isn't better financed than the Taliban or Al Qaeda. After the FBI started cracking down on its supporters in the U.S., and after MI-6 and Interpol shut down its connections to Libya, it was pretty much all over for them. -MT2008
Then how come back then American weapons are easily for them to obtain and smuggled compared to the Taliban or Al Qaeda? American weapons aren't cheap you know. Also I've never seen any Taliban or Al Qaeda in real life who are armed with American weapons.
- They used AR-15s and AR-18s because their supporters in the U.S. bought those for them at U.S. gun stores and smuggled them to Ireland by boat. For much of its history, buying guns in the U.S. had always been the way the IRA procured arms. And if you read books like Ed Moloney's "A Secret History of the IRA", you'll find that this was not an efficient way to buy/receive weapons - the IRA was almost always short on small arms in the 1970s (there were never enough guns to go around), even though it spent a sizeable amount of its budget on weaponry. The FBI cracked down on the IRA's supporters in the U.S. beginning in the early-80s, and afterwards, the Provos were almost never able to buy guns in the U.S. again. The Libyan regime (and reportedly, the PLO and East Germany as well) became the IRA's new source of arms in the 1980s.
- As for the Taliban, why would they need American weapons? Afghanistan and Pakistan are flooded with AKs and RPGs (mostly Chinese-made) that were shipped into the region by the CIA during the 1980s. And it isn't as though the quality of small arms determines the outcome in guerrilla war, let alone how effective or well-funded a particular group happens to be. Although Hezbollah does have enormous quantities of M16s and M4s (which they've been seen brandishing in photos). -MT2008 02:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
One more question does the Taliban uses other weapons in general besides the ones we keep seeing in their videoes? I always see TT33s, Makorov PMs, Ak47s and its variants, Dragunov sniper rifles, RPDs, RPKs, Pk machine guns and RPGs in their videoes, but could there possibly be others?
- I really don't know. It's possible that they use weapons captured from U.S. or Afghan forces sometimes, though it wouldn't make much sense because ammo would be harder to acquire in the region for NATO weapons than Eastern Bloc/Chinese weapons. Either way, the one thing I know is that you're emphasizing weaponry too much. The types of small arms used by a particular terrorist/insurgent group are not an accurate reflection of its funding, or its capabilities - the only thing those weapons reflect is what's readily available at the arms bazaars in that area of the world. And most militants tend to use what's easiest and cheapest to acquire in their region, which in most of the world means AKs. The average terrorist group doesn't think to itself, "Let's go out and spend $1,000 per unit on H&K G36s because everyone will think we're badass operators if we pose with those guns in our YouTube videos." To them, weapons are tools to get a job done, and in guerrilla warfare, there's not much practical difference between an AK or a G36, anyway.
- Also, contrary to what shows like Deadliest Warrior would have you believe, comparing a narco-insurgency like the Taliban or FARC to Al-Qaeda or the PIRA is actually a pretty retarded comparison. -MT2008 18:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Trivia: I think it was kinda bullcrap that Tarin Faroush manages to kill four NYPD ESU officers with a pistol even though they were wearing body armour. That is unless the pistol is loaded with armour piercing rounds.
-The most reasonable reason explination is that contrary to popular belief as well SWAT teams don't wear the same level of body armour as Soldiers. Beyond the level of Kevlar that SWAT vests have, they do not carry ceramic ballistic plates seen in standered infantry body armour. Also the Caliber and type of bullet that Faroush had in his USP or MK23 plays a difference. Most Kevlar can stop 9mm holopoint rounds, but it is more difficult to stop 9mm rounds that are not holopoints such as FMJ rounds or Full Metal Jackets. Unlike holopoint rounds which mushrooms up on impact preventing any further penetration into the body, FMJ rounds continue to travel through the body untill it is slowed down after going through or punctering vital organs. That means FMJs will only slow down and maybe stop the round before it penetrates the lair of kevlar and enters the wearers body. Kevlar also has a hard time stoping .45 ACP rounds or anything beyond 9mm unless they have ceramic plates or more layers of Kevlar material.-Choi117
-Tarin takes down the three, and they go down instantly. Then his partner makes a few long range shots from the cab and somehow takes him out. Then at the docks jacks standard vest takes like 6 5.56mm rounds and hes still alive. Oh well, weve seen jack take down about 100 guys in bodyarmor with his pistol so far.
- Television is not a good place to be shooting people in the head neither is the realism of how strong there Kevlar is or even where they got shot. Jack Bauer is the kind of guy that wears his body armor outside his clothing more visible then SWAT teams. Seems like ever since 24 has switched directors the realism levels have gone down. -HKFan 23:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone do anything about the IP who keeps deleting things? 190.6.150.53
--Crazycrankle 04:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
H&K USP Compact
Does anyone find it strange that the Informant came to Jack in EP1 with Jack's Signature USP?
Jack discarded this weapon after it ran dry, and has since taken another one from CTU's Armory.
Could anyone post some more pictures from the later episodes?