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Okay I understand. Well I would imagine that the M16/22 replicas were probably a whole lot cheaper to rent. Not sure how easy it was to rent M16 rifles in 1977 either. The rifle was still pretty new and some Army National guard units had only recieved their M16's a few years earlier.I've seen photos of National guard units on riot control duty in the late sixties and early seventies carrying M1 Garands and M14's. The Vietnam war really slowed down the updating of small arms for the National guard.M16's might have been pretty hard to get and I would imagine a film company would pay a fair amount. The original DOTD was a low budget movie. Colt was making the SP 101 (civilian version minus the forward bolt assist) but they were fairly pricey as well. So the production went with the cheaper 22 versions. It's all about money.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC) | Okay I understand. Well I would imagine that the M16/22 replicas were probably a whole lot cheaper to rent. Not sure how easy it was to rent M16 rifles in 1977 either. The rifle was still pretty new and some Army National guard units had only recieved their M16's a few years earlier.I've seen photos of National guard units on riot control duty in the late sixties and early seventies carrying M1 Garands and M14's. The Vietnam war really slowed down the updating of small arms for the National guard.M16's might have been pretty hard to get and I would imagine a film company would pay a fair amount. The original DOTD was a low budget movie. Colt was making the SP 101 (civilian version minus the forward bolt assist) but they were fairly pricey as well. So the production went with the cheaper 22 versions. It's all about money.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
::As was noted on the main page (and in the movie credits) the "Armorers" for the movie was a Pennsylvania firm called "The Plastics Factory". Ah right. I suppose that's the best you could get in Pennsylvania in 1978! If this were filmed in California it would be a completely different story. There are TONS more dedicated armorers in California at the time, the number would peak by the early 1990s and plummet today due to runaway production and ridiculous gun restrictions. But I always wondered why they had so many .22LR guns, or why the 'gun store' had so few autoloaders. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | ::As was noted on the main page (and in the movie credits) the "Armorers" for the movie was a Pennsylvania firm called "The Plastics Factory". Ah right. I suppose that's the best you could get in Pennsylvania in 1978! If this were filmed in California it would be a completely different story. There are TONS more dedicated armorers in California at the time, the number would peak by the early 1990s and plummet today due to runaway production and ridiculous gun restrictions. But I always wondered why they had so many .22LR guns, or why the 'gun store' had so few autoloaders. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
I've read that the gunstore they filmed in was real. So your observation is interesting. Perhaps there just wasn't as much interest in semi-autos in the late seventies. I have a few back issues of Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times and American Rifleman. They date from 78, 79 and 81. Lots of articles about revolvers, bolt action rifles and shotguns, but not a whole lot on semi-autos of any type. Even semi-auto hunting shotguns. Not a whole lot about the use of firearms for self-defense either. Mostly the focus is real heavy on hunting, target shooting and other sports like skeet. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah. The Third movie had better gun selection.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC) | :Yeah. The Third movie had better gun selection.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 16:41, 21 October 2009
The service revolver carried by S.W.A.T. officers Peter and Roger is an FIE Titan Tiger .38 revolver
Screencaps look good.
Good job on the screencaps. A classic horror movie deserves a snazzy looking page of it's own. --Jcordell 01:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Fran acting strange.
well according to Romero in the voice over narrative the whole scene was something of an improv and almost landed on the cutting room floor. But they decided to leave it in at the last minute. From what I gathered from the voice over it was showing how the survivors were starting to crack up even with all the goodies in the mall. Fran has gone all out with the make up and "stuff" but isn't secure and still needs a gun.Great material wealth has not made her happy. Twenty years ago when I was a college student I would have been able to explain the deeper meaning to the whole scene. I have no doubt. But I'm not nearly as cool anymore so just go with the idea that everything is getting to her. --Jcordell 22:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Nope she's not acting strange. She's BORED. I always viewed the scene is that she is bored, sitting in a mall with tons of cosmetics, so she plays 'dress up' and does this completely over the top makeup like a gangster's moll, except in a cartoon like fashion. She "play acts" a vamp, or femme fatale precisely because she is bored out of her mind. Nothing strange at all here. I always wondered what I would do to kill all those hours in the mall every day, day after day. MoviePropMaster2008 22:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Sure that works as well. --Jcordell 22:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
This was also in the days BEFORE VCRs, Video tape, DVDs, The Internet. They can't watch movies on command. They can't surf the net. Wow. They only had .... BOOKS to entertain themselves with, in addition to the video arcade with those old 1970s vintage games.MoviePropMaster2008 02:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah that was something that dawned on me a few weeks ago when I watched this movie for the first time in fifteen years. Might have been tempting to just climb up on the rooftop and snipe some zombies or zeds I believe they're called. --Jcordell 03:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- In this situation I would just chill in Walden Books or Gamestop all day while blaring Sabaton from one of the many stereo systems that can be found in RadioShack- S&Wshooter 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- I hope you mean in a similar situation today. Because there were no GAMESTOPS in 1978. Also Radio shack didn't have a lot of high end stereo systems. In 1978 they had dedicated Stereo stores. Which they had in the mall since we saw the 'state of the art' record players in their hideout along with a bunch of 33 1/3 vinyls. MoviePropMaster2008 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Did anyone notice the 3/4" video player wired up to the television after they had turned the upstairs apartment into their pad? Back then they probably had seven or eight movies to watch - if that many. But it was very high-tech in 1978. --Jcordell 23:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
FN M1900
It is either a M14, or M34 Mauser pocket pistol. If it has a straight grip it is a M14, if it has a 'hump' grip, then it is a M34. I can't see the grip well enough to tell which it is.
Ruger single six
Additional Info: Steven's pistol, found in the desk of the maintenance office, is certainly either a Ruger Blackhawk or a Ruger Single Six. The photo above, though it shows a single action revolver, is not a Ruger Blackhawk or a single six which has a different profile from what is portrayed above. -Yojimbo
https://www.lipseys.com/eImages/RUS465N-50.jpg <-- Ruger Blackhawk .22
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_70102.jpg <--- Ruger Single-Six .22
Ithaca 37
- That's not an Ithaca 37 in the green circle. Look carefully at the forearm and pump mechanism. MPM20008
Moved from main page, it belongs here..
The shotgun in green could be an Ithaca, an ejection port is not visible to me on this definition of picture. RedJedRevolver Someone Previously say that it couldnt be an ithaca. (Dillinger)
- I had it down originally as an Ithaca 37 but MPM2008 said that it is not an Ithaca 37 due to the type of pump grip. --AdAstra2009 16:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- It's not impossible that it has an aftermarket grip, but more likely to me is that it is one of the shotguns similar to the Ithaca, but of different manufacture. I have seen them in my local gun-shop, however cannot remember the name of the manufacturer. -RedJedRevolver
- It could be custom Dillinger
- It's not impossible that it has an aftermarket grip, but more likely to me is that it is one of the shotguns similar to the Ithaca, but of different manufacture. I have seen them in my local gun-shop, however cannot remember the name of the manufacturer. -RedJedRevolver
The Browning BPS is a possibility. But I don't know if it was in production at the time.
- I don't think so, it has an Ithaca 37 type endcap --AdAstra2009 17:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- BPS began production in '77(got that from the company), and to be fair it only appears to be an Ithaca endcap, I have seen that endcap on non-Ithaca guns. RedJedRevolver
- I don't think so, it has an Ithaca 37 type endcap --AdAstra2009 17:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that is a Ithaca Model 37 Deerslayer as it is exactly like the one I have still new in the box. - Phoenixent 17:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Alright then, it's settles, it is an Ithaca 37, most likely a Deerslayer, but upon recent googling, I have found other Ithacas without the standard pump grip. RedJedRevolver
Thompson M1928A1
One of the bikers who invade the mall is using a Thompson submachine gun with the fifty round drum magazine and the forward pistol grip.Possibly that biker is played by Tom Savini, special effect wizard on the movie. Nah,Tom Savini played "Blades", the biker with the machete,cutlass,and several other knives(including a switchblade comb!).
CORRECTION: The Thompson wielding biker was played by Larry Varia, and was not Tom Savini as was pointed out. Larry Varia recently passed away (2008) and now that this entry has been corrected perhaps his soul can now rest in peace. -Yojimbo
As of December 2008, Thompson used by Varia in DOTD was in still in the posession of Gary Zeller, special effects coordinator for DOTD 1978. Would have been nice, though, if it had been buried with him! :) -Yojimbo
The bikers name is actually Larry Vaira. -SBG
Fran's Revolver
- Keeping with the theme of .22 copies, maybe it's a Herters SA22, which is a pretty good .22 copy of the Colt Single Action Army. I have one that looks very similar, but I can't find it at the moment and it doesn't work.-protoAuthor
- Wait, you actually LOST one of your guns? That's not very responsible-S&Wshooter 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, never got it. My grandfather left it to me, and my father was going to keep it until I turned 18, which was in April, and we moved, and it's probably in storage.-protoAuthor
Wooly's Gun
in the fourth pic of the S&M916 i can see that the revolver looks a little bit different to the FIE that they use Has Someone else notice this (Dillinger)
- Yeah, I noticed it too. It's probably that .22 revolver that Steven used. --AdAstra2009 19:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Odd selection
this is the weirdest selection of weapons ive ever seen. Some ive never seen before espesially the m16 varient and the rifles seen on the gun store display.
- That's because this movie is ultra-low budget. Hence the .22 caliber guns.-Oliveira 18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I actually liked it. How many of us actually own an arsenal of four AR-15s, four Remington 870 riot guns, four Sig P229's, two Remington 700 sniper rifles and two M-79 grenade launchers? Most gun owners have a hodge podge of firearms. Everything from 22 rifles to a 44/40 single action Ruger Blackhawk. --Jcordell 19:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- That still doesn't explain the civilian guns in the hands of the SWAT officers and Army Soldiers.-Oliveira 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
What civilian guns? The FIE revolvers? Like Oliveira pointed out the movie had a low budget and the FIE revolvers were cheap.It appears that all the National guardsmen are equipped with M16's or at least the 22LR replicas. The civilans with them are carrying their own firearms.Wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the locals/extras provided their own. I'm not following you about civilan firearms. I'm a cop and I carry a GLOCK 19, GLOCK 26 and a Remington 870. Technically those are all civilan guns since anyone who is a citizen of the U.S.A., not a convicted felon or has been arrested in past for domestic violence can purchase any of those.I guess I'm not following your line of thought. --Jcordell 20:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)-
- Sorry Cordell, bad wording on my part. What i mean is the .22 replicas.-Oliveira 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay I understand. Well I would imagine that the M16/22 replicas were probably a whole lot cheaper to rent. Not sure how easy it was to rent M16 rifles in 1977 either. The rifle was still pretty new and some Army National guard units had only recieved their M16's a few years earlier.I've seen photos of National guard units on riot control duty in the late sixties and early seventies carrying M1 Garands and M14's. The Vietnam war really slowed down the updating of small arms for the National guard.M16's might have been pretty hard to get and I would imagine a film company would pay a fair amount. The original DOTD was a low budget movie. Colt was making the SP 101 (civilian version minus the forward bolt assist) but they were fairly pricey as well. So the production went with the cheaper 22 versions. It's all about money.--Jcordell 20:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- As was noted on the main page (and in the movie credits) the "Armorers" for the movie was a Pennsylvania firm called "The Plastics Factory". Ah right. I suppose that's the best you could get in Pennsylvania in 1978! If this were filmed in California it would be a completely different story. There are TONS more dedicated armorers in California at the time, the number would peak by the early 1990s and plummet today due to runaway production and ridiculous gun restrictions. But I always wondered why they had so many .22LR guns, or why the 'gun store' had so few autoloaders. MoviePropMaster2008 05:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I've read that the gunstore they filmed in was real. So your observation is interesting. Perhaps there just wasn't as much interest in semi-autos in the late seventies. I have a few back issues of Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times and American Rifleman. They date from 78, 79 and 81. Lots of articles about revolvers, bolt action rifles and shotguns, but not a whole lot on semi-autos of any type. Even semi-auto hunting shotguns. Not a whole lot about the use of firearms for self-defense either. Mostly the focus is real heavy on hunting, target shooting and other sports like skeet. --Jcordell 16:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah. The Third movie had better gun selection.-Oliveira 21:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)