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: No. We already have a revolver section within a revolver category page. Besides, as you yourself said, they don't fit the literal, technical definition of a muzzleloader.  That they may be 'commonly included' as such elsewhere is irrelevant. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:55, 31 October 2020 (EDT)
: No. We already have a revolver section within a revolver category page. Besides, as you yourself said, they don't fit the literal, technical definition of a muzzleloader.  That they may be 'commonly included' as such elsewhere is irrelevant. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:55, 31 October 2020 (EDT)
:: I'm not really sure having a revolver category is a good argument. Muzzleloading rifles are in both the muzzleloader and the rifle categories, while muzzleloading shotguns are are in both the muzzleloader and the shotgun categories. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (EDT)
:: I'm not really sure having a revolver category is a good argument. Muzzleloading rifles are in both the muzzleloader and the rifle categories, while muzzleloading shotguns are are in both the muzzleloader and the shotgun categories. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (EDT)
::: It's only part of my argument, and not the most important part. That said, in those cases the other firearms you mentioned are both the one (rifle/shotgun) AND the other (muzzleloader) so the redundancy in categorization has a rationale. Since again there aren't any percussion revolvers that load at the muzzle, they aren't 'muzzleloaders' and don't merit being in that other category, simple as that.  [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:26, 1 November 2020 (EST)

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Percussion Schuetzen Rifle by John Meunier with 20th century chrome plating on metal parts - .39 caliber
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German XV Century Hand Cannons. These are later iterations of the hand cannons, featuring wood furniture to launch from a shoulder.

Percussion revolvers?

Should percussion revolvers be given a section in this category? They're commonly included in "muzzleloader" even if they, strictly speaking, do not load from the muzzle but the front of their cylinder. --VladVladson (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2020 (EDT)

No. We already have a revolver section within a revolver category page. Besides, as you yourself said, they don't fit the literal, technical definition of a muzzleloader. That they may be 'commonly included' as such elsewhere is irrelevant. StanTheMan (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2020 (EDT)
I'm not really sure having a revolver category is a good argument. Muzzleloading rifles are in both the muzzleloader and the rifle categories, while muzzleloading shotguns are are in both the muzzleloader and the shotgun categories. --VladVladson (talk) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (EDT)
It's only part of my argument, and not the most important part. That said, in those cases the other firearms you mentioned are both the one (rifle/shotgun) AND the other (muzzleloader) so the redundancy in categorization has a rationale. Since again there aren't any percussion revolvers that load at the muzzle, they aren't 'muzzleloaders' and don't merit being in that other category, simple as that. StanTheMan (talk) 22:26, 1 November 2020 (EST)
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