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So, we need to update the page to include the guns seen in both season 3 and season 4. --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 18:45, 18 January 2017 (EST) | So, we need to update the page to include the guns seen in both season 3 and season 4. --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 18:45, 18 January 2017 (EST) | ||
== Possible erroneous mention of muzzle velocity in S01E02 == | |||
When Sherlock arrives at the scene where John is being hold captive, Sherlock shouts at Shan that "the bullet travels over a 1000 meters per second". But if I remember correctly, a normal handgun would not ever reach that muzzle velocity. The model being used by Shan is based on a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_PP Walther PPK], which reaches at most 325 m/s. The thing is that this number converts to a little more than 1000 ft/s, so it could be that Sherlock meant so say "feet per second" instead. | |||
Can anyone confirm this? — [[User:MCEmperor|MCEmperor]] ([[User talk:MCEmperor|talk]]) 09:36, 16 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
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I think that small-caliber pistol is a Bernardelli model 60, can anyone confirm that? -Deafmatch 17:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- The safety switch is different. It's not a Model 60.--PistolJunkie 19:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I'm stuck could it be some sort of custom safety, because I searched far and wide for an Italian made handgun that looked like the pistol in the series and only the Bernardelli Model 60 en the MOD. USA look remotely like it. Maybe it's some Italian clone? -Deafmatch 18:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- The barrel and slide are also too short for it to be a Model 60. And I'm not sure what you mean by it being an "Italian Clone". An Italian clone of what? Bernardelli is already an Italian company. It might be either a fake gun or a really obscure model. Either way, we'll probably just have to hope that someone recognizes it.--PistolJunkie 22:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I'm stuck could it be some sort of custom safety, because I searched far and wide for an Italian made handgun that looked like the pistol in the series and only the Bernardelli Model 60 en the MOD. USA look remotely like it. Maybe it's some Italian clone? -Deafmatch 18:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- My guess is that it's a "non-gun". --Jcordell 14:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
I think I found it, it's a blank firing 8mm Italian made Walther ppk: [1] -Deafmatch 16:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yahtzee! A "Bruni/BBM ME-8 Police". Good work. Apparently one is also used in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.--PistolJunkie 20:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, it seems that what I lack in gun knowledge I make up in google skills :P -Deafmatch 17:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
- I found a pic that was listed as free to distribute with citation, and added it to the PPK talk page. That way if it pops up again somewhere else we'll have a listing for it.--PistolJunkie 19:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, it seems that what I lack in gun knowledge I make up in google skills :P -Deafmatch 17:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Is it me or is Watsons Afghanistan flashbacks from Ross Kemp's documentary, or do all reporters there wear blue and carry a red backpack, cause our reporters always wear army vests and helmets, the few times they appear in front of the camera (although that is probably due to the fact that they can't afford to buy one themselves lol) ? --Iceman (talk) 08:08, 29 December 2013 (EST)--Iceman (talk) 08:08, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- Reporters wear all sorts of things depending on the situation. I think the way it tends to work is that if they are embedded or there for a long time they will tend to have their own privately purchased vest like the one Ross Kemp wore (this one seems quite popular for British journalists, don't know who makes it though). However if they are just visiting I think they will be lent one so you can also seem them wearing camo Ospreys (there is also a journo version of the Osprey in light blue but haven't seen much of that) or occasionally still EBAs depending on where they are. I have also seen them wearing the Navy Blue CBA/EBAs that are used by the Navy and some police. Visiting VIP's will be leant whatever vest is the most modern at the time to look as good as possible, like they would always be pictured wearing the Mk IV Osprey when most people were still wearing the Mk II or III. --commando552 (talk) 08:44, 29 December 2013 (EST)
SIG Sauer P226
That's not actually a stainless model, even though it is marked as stainless. To me it looks like a Tokyo Marui SIG Sauer P226 (airsoft pistol), that's how the Marui P226 is marked. --cool-breeze 18:58, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
Hounds of the Baskerville
Did anybody catch the weapons the MPs are using, they have the pictograms of the HK series, maybe G36? --Robm89 21:11, 18 January 2012 (DST)
- I'm going to be going through the 2nd season over the next week so that I can restore this page to proper formatting (you know, with actual screencaps instead of nothing but text). Just wait a bit.--PistolJunkie 15:55, 18 January 2012 (CST)
- They used a mix of G36Cs and L85s (didn't catch the charging handle to know if A1 or A2), I seem to remember the gate guards had the G36s, wheras the ones on the rooftops had L85s. I think there are a few other new guns as well, such as the MP5s used by the armed police in ep 3. --commando552 17:17, 18 January 2012 (CST)
- I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I have to ask why do some many British TV shows incorporate the G36 and it's variants as an erroneous go-to gun for British military? HK weapons in general seem to be a lot more present on the British serials then L85s.--BeloglaviSup (talk) 14:42, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
- Because relatively cheap airsoft G36Cs are easier to come by. Particularly in a role where the gun is not going to be fired using an airsoft gun or replica is the norm due to the restrictive firearms laws in the UK. In terms of blank firing guns, SA80 weapons are relatively hard to come by owing to the fact that they are pretty much exclusively used by British armed forces meaning that there are not as many blank adapted weapons as for other more common firearms. As to why G36Cs are commonly used in British TV, I don't really know a concrete answer, but there are a few things to bear in mind. Firstly, it looks "cool". Secondly, it is a relatively practical firearm to film with as it is ambidextrous, short barrelled and has a folding stock. Thirdly, it is pretty recognizable to the British public (even if they can't name it) owing to the fact that it is one of the most common weapons carried by British armed police. --commando552 (talk) 17:53, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
- Ah, thanks for clearing that out for me. Admittedly, G36C is an easily recognizable rifle and I imagine that is even more so for the British public. Not to mention the inherent 'brand value' of H&K products. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 07:47, 5 November 2012 (EST)
- Because relatively cheap airsoft G36Cs are easier to come by. Particularly in a role where the gun is not going to be fired using an airsoft gun or replica is the norm due to the restrictive firearms laws in the UK. In terms of blank firing guns, SA80 weapons are relatively hard to come by owing to the fact that they are pretty much exclusively used by British armed forces meaning that there are not as many blank adapted weapons as for other more common firearms. As to why G36Cs are commonly used in British TV, I don't really know a concrete answer, but there are a few things to bear in mind. Firstly, it looks "cool". Secondly, it is a relatively practical firearm to film with as it is ambidextrous, short barrelled and has a folding stock. Thirdly, it is pretty recognizable to the British public (even if they can't name it) owing to the fact that it is one of the most common weapons carried by British armed police. --commando552 (talk) 17:53, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
- I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I have to ask why do some many British TV shows incorporate the G36 and it's variants as an erroneous go-to gun for British military? HK weapons in general seem to be a lot more present on the British serials then L85s.--BeloglaviSup (talk) 14:42, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
- They used a mix of G36Cs and L85s (didn't catch the charging handle to know if A1 or A2), I seem to remember the gate guards had the G36s, wheras the ones on the rooftops had L85s. I think there are a few other new guns as well, such as the MP5s used by the armed police in ep 3. --commando552 17:17, 18 January 2012 (CST)
"STI Edge"
I would just like to point out the alleged STI Edge is in fact yet another Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa 4.3. The BBC seems to be using these a lot right now. The Wierd It 17:18, 18 January 2012 (CST)
- ...except it's a cigarette lighter.--PistolJunkie 17:45, 18 January 2012 (CST)
- I'm talking about the base prop.The Wierd It 17:46, 18 January 2012 (CST)
Is the fact that it turns out to be a cigarette lighter a reference to Harry Brown? The movie was only one year before the first season of this TV series--the movie also features a gun used to smoke a drug that turns out to be nonfunctional when it's used in earnest, kind of like how the first episode features a nonfunctional gun that's actually used for smoking. --Mazryonh 23:53, 18 July 2012 (CDT)
- I seriously doubt it; novelty cigarette lighters designed to look like guns have been around for decades.--PistolJunkie (talk) 19:48, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
Glock shot in S02E03
According to Youtube commentators, Sherlock re-sets the safety before pointing his stolen Glock at John's head. Can anyone confirm this? How do you re-set the safety on a Glock?--Crouchbk (talk) 20:49, 15 December 2013 (EST)
- Since when do Youtube commentators have ANYTHING useful to contribute to ANY discussion? --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)
- Let me make this easy for you; if you have even the slightest idea how a Glock functions, that claim makes no sense.--PistolJunkie (talk) 21:03, 15 December 2013 (EST)
You don't "reset the safety" on a Glock, but the sound effects editor or foley artist might :)--Tecolote (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2015 (EDT)
Sherlock Special guns
I saw that Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson are brandishing revolvers in the trailer of "The Abominable Bride" in the setting of Victorian London. Can anyone help providing screen-caps for identification of the revolvers?
Moriarty (Andrew Scott) casually checks the barrel of his (loaded) revolver for dust.
Sherlock (Benedict Cumberbatch) aims his revolver at Moriarty.
I've watched "The Abominable Bride", and, though I haven't been able to find a screen cap online yet, I'm fairly sure Watson's revolver is a Webley Bulldog.--Crouchbk (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2016 (EDT)
- Tough to tell but the bottom gun looks to be a Nagant. Second looks to be a S&W Safety Hammerless AKA 'Lemon Squeezer'. StanTheMan (talk) 15:09, 20 March 2016 (EDT)
- The revolvers used by the bride are definitely not SAAs, the shape of the frame behind the cylinder is completely different. They look more like they could be Colt 1878s though, are they fired in double action when she is dual wielding them? --commando552 (talk) 17:18, 20 March 2016 (EDT)
A thought about guns in the UK for this show
While watching this show, it occurs to me because this is Sherlock in modern times. Aside from stating the obvious, I think it's more than that. This show's portray of England is less like how it is in reality but basically Sherlock's England with modern dressing. If you go so far to the idea of why the police would really hire a guy like Sherlock today as opposed to back during the original time period where they didn't have investigative detectives like Sherlock, it makes sense. So since gun ownership in private hands back in the original time period is the norm, it can be safe to say that this England in Sherlock is the exact same England of the late 1800s but with the modern look that we can all associate with. So, it's natural that Watson would have a gun and no mentions of present day UK gun laws have ever been brought up in the show. This can also explain how anyone we've seen with a gun can be allowed to have one like in the episode Hound. Excalibur01 (talk)
Updates needed
So, we need to update the page to include the guns seen in both season 3 and season 4. --Bauer2121 (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2017 (EST)
Possible erroneous mention of muzzle velocity in S01E02
When Sherlock arrives at the scene where John is being hold captive, Sherlock shouts at Shan that "the bullet travels over a 1000 meters per second". But if I remember correctly, a normal handgun would not ever reach that muzzle velocity. The model being used by Shan is based on a Walther PPK, which reaches at most 325 m/s. The thing is that this number converts to a little more than 1000 ft/s, so it could be that Sherlock meant so say "feet per second" instead. Can anyone confirm this? — MCEmperor (talk) 09:36, 16 July 2017 (EDT)