Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3: Difference between revisions
A [[M16_rifle_series#Colt_Carbine.2FModel_653.2FModel_727.2FModel_733|Colt Model 727]] with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] is used by Soap (Jon Morgan). Judging by the large white logo on the magazine well, it is likely an airsoft replica.
A [[Colt Model 727]] with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] is used by Soap (Jon Morgan). Judging by the large white logo on the magazine well, it is likely an airsoft replica.
[[File:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 727 with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56x45mm/40x46mm]]
[[File:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 727 with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56x45mm/40x46mm]]
It might be a good idea to give this its own subheading (or even sub-page, there's a lot of weapons in the trailer). Usually we cover guns that appear in trailers and previews, but it's rather unique for a game trailer to have so many real weapons in it, and it'd look weird shoehorning shots from this trailer into the main page's gun entries. Evil Tim 18:28, 18 November 2011 (CST)
Here's some more screenshots from the same commercial. Note that I accidentally uploaded an existing screenshot. The following weapons appear in the commercial: FN SCAR-L, Czech Skorpions, RPG-7, M67 grenade, Barret M82, 9-Bang, M4A1 Carbine, M1911 and its modern variants, AKMS, Remington RSASS, M60E4, M16A2, and the M203 launcher. - Kenny99 21:56, 18 November 2011 (CST)
Actually, that "SCAR-L" is an ACR. :\ BTW, I just love this commercial for some reason. =) - Mr. Wolf 19:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)
Seeing Sam Worthington in it just feels weird, since he's the star of BO. Do you think it was a dig at Treyarch? --Funkychinaman 10:57, 22 November 2011 (CST)
Well, the rules on IMFDB state that commercials are not allowed to have their own pages. But maybe these screenshots can have their own section on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 main page as a "trivia special"? --ThatoneguyJosh 01:58, 23 November 2011 (CST)
The thing is while commercials are not allowed, trailers usually are allowed on the main page. I think in this very unusual case this trailer has enough guns to warrant a page of it's own. Evil Tim 03:52, 23 November 2011 (CST)
Hmm... that would be nice to see a page about this trailer on here. But then again, we'd probably have other people complaining that it would be our obligation to also include pages for the live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the Black Ops Zombies trailer and the Rezurrection expansion pack trailer. Personally I say put all these screenshots on the bottom of the Modern Warfare 3 page as a "trivia special", and if someone wants to add screenshots from the live action trailers for Black Ops and it's expansions, then I agree on the same deal; putting them on the bottom of the main page as a "trivia special" --ThatoneguyJosh 07:36, 24 November 2011 (CST)
Naw, if you actually did the gun IDs properly for this trailer it'd be about the same size as the actual page. I think for this a sub-page is probably the best bet. And to be honest, if someone wanted to make the three pages you mention, I'd say the same would apply (and as to complaining, the standard "make it yourself if you want it done so bad" response would be fine). It's not like this is going to be a huge issue with games companies suddenly all having live action trailers with loads of guns in them. Evil Tim 08:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)
In my opinion, I would rather create a small section for the commercial instead of making a separate page for it in compliance with Imfdb rules. - Kenny99 03:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
IMFDB rules say nothing about trailers, only commercials which are not trailers are forbidden. I'm saying create a sub-page for it since it would be way bigger than a "small section" if you did it properly, which is how it should be done. Evil Tim 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)
^Isn't that... crap, what's his name... he played Jet Jackson on that Disney Channel show. Anyway, isn't that Jet Jackson? Spartan198 00:23, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
It's the gas grenade Price throws when he's interrogating Waarabe. Looks almost like a VOG grenade with a pin stuck on one end, or an M34 after a crash diet. Evil Tim 07:21, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Desert Eagle
Now that's settled, Evil Tim, can you do the same treatment to the slide markings, as I think it might actually say Desert Hawk rather than Eagle, but don't have anything on this computer to clear it up. Can make out though that this is a Magnum Research as the bottom line ends in Minneapolis MN. --commando552 11:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
This is a slightly different gradient mapping (you can still see the E, it's the same image, on photobucket to save server space), but it actually looks like the second word is completely missing. I don't see why, they thank MR and "Desert Eagle" (which is a separate thing?) in the credits. Evil Tim 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Thanks, to me it look like it says either "Hank" or "Hawk" and am assuming Hawk, as that is less mental. --commando552 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Ok, ok, calming down now. Here's where we get back to fun because the magazine is both correctly and incorrectly modelled!
Notice the spacing imples four holes in the magazine (a .44 would have 5) but the number of visible bullets I believe implies a .44 (a .50AE would only have three, unless the side of the top bullet at the side is supposed to be the side of the one at the top of the magazine). Evil Tim
Also, .44 Magnum is a rimmed caliber, and while I don't completely expect them to get this correct, the cartridges in the magazine are not rimmed, which would be characteristic of .50 AE rounds. Just a side note! --Ranger12 11:14, 25 November 2011 (CST)
I think it is meant to be the .50 AE mag, but is thrown off by two thing. Firstly the top round is smaller than the other visible rounds, and looks like it overlaps the top one as well. Secondly, the window is too long on this gun, being about a 1/3 the total length of the magazine. On a real magazine (.44 or .50, they are the same apart from the holes) the window in only about 1/4 the length of the magazine. These two factors combined mean more bullets are visible than there should be. --commando552 11:48, 25 November 2011 (CST)
The mags are pretty much made up to be just something to stick into the gun. They are so far from the real thing they can't really even be credited towards either gun.--Ranger12 15:31, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Well, the number of "windows" does tell you how many rounds, and the spacing says 4 rather than 5, so it's just another mistake with 8 rounds in a 7-round magazine. You want horrible magazines you need to go back to the original MW, if you were lucky you'd have two completely flat bullets on the top that looked a bit like they were for the right kind of gun. Evil Tim 15:37, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yes, but a mag window never extends into the feed lips like in the picture. lol... And honestly, I never looked at the original MW mags. I'll take your word there.--Ranger12 15:50, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Well, I'm probably going to redo those at some point because I hate that page. Also, the window does that, I imagine, because they're BS'ing based on an Airsoft magazine, where the feed lips are instead the plastic top of the mag with the BB feeder and gas vent. I guess they knew there was a hole in the side of the magazine (which on the Airsoft version isn't a hole but a dip containing a little latch that releases the slide and such), knew there were feed lips, but weren't sure how the two things interacted with each other. Evil Tim 15:55, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Lol yea we'll just go with that explanation... --Ranger12 15:58, 25 November 2011 (CST)
The top of the magazine is correct, and the windows does extend up into the feed lips like this. See here for a side by side comparison of both .50 and .44 magazines showing this: http://www.magnumresearch.com/docs/MagazineOffer.pdf. It also seems like the crimp on the front of the magazine is different for the two calibers, but you don't get a good enough look at the magazine to work out which, if either, the game magazine is based on. --commando552 18:08, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yeah, you're right, I just checked a couple more images on Google to be sure. I can't imagine that does much for the life of the feed lips? Evil Tim 18:18, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Yeaaaaa That explains why I've heard that the lifespan of DE mags are so short... Ok then lol --Ranger12 21:34, 25 November 2011 (CST)
Mk 14
So, I guess they just figured "nobody's going to throw their rifle on the floor and check it's the same one the other guys are using, right?" And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for us meddlin' kids. Evil Tim 16:52, 25 November 2011 (CST)
... what's the problem? --Ghostdigga 04:51, 27 November 2011 (CST)
The "Mk14" and "M14 EBR" are actually the same model (the Mk 14 Mod 0), even though it seems they want you to think the "M14 EBR" is the Mk 14 Mod 1 from the previous game. Evil Tim 06:17, 27 November 2011 (CST)
Since it's locked...
Can a mod change the bit about the M65 Atomic Annie?
"A doctored image of the nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Grable can be seen in some maps as a movie poster. Grable was a shell fired from an M65 Atomic Cannon and the W9 nuclear artillery shell was itself a modified antiaircraft gun."
Atomic Annie fired 280mm shells. There were never any 280mm AA shells, and the design of Atomic Annie itself was based on German railroad guns, not an AA gun. --Funkychinaman 10:49, 28 November 2011 (CST)
You're misreading. The W9 round itself is a modified antiaircraft gun which fires one subcritical mass at the other. The M65 is a gun which fires a gun which is a bomb. Evil Tim 11:32, 28 November 2011 (CST)
If it's just a gun-type fission device, can you clarify that? --Funkychinaman 11:35, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Just did that before reading. Evil Tim 11:41, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Thanks. --Funkychinaman 11:47, 28 November 2011 (CST)
How come the page is locked anyway? --RaNgeR 10:55, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Haven't checked the edit history so I might be wrong, but my guess is too many people being dicks toward the game just because it's extremely popular and therefore bashing it everywhere it's brought up is the cool thing to do. Kadorhal 21:39, 15 January 2012 (CST)
Speaking of which, what do you guys think of changing one of the captions for the Mk 14 Mod 1 to this (italics are my addition):
Error creating thumbnail: File missing"Soap" MacTavish holds his own Mk 14 Mod 1 EBR as Yuri wonders why he's the odd one out. Presumably the developers intended for Yuri to also use a Mod 1, but for whatever reason, it appears as a Mod 0 when dropped.
That's my assumption, at least, but I don't know for sure (especially since it does use the old Mod 1 model in another mission). What do you think?
Oh and also, in the second sentence under Mk 14 Mod 1, there's an extraneous "the" in front of MW2's name. Kadorhal 23:43, 14 February 2012 (CST)
Strikes me that if anything it would be the other way around. The most likely answer is that the Mod 1 model was ganked from MW2 as a placeholder, yet again.
Promotional art of Soap from MW2; scope has flared eyepiece, no notched rings to the rear, stepped objective. Note also long rail covers on the handguard.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMod 1 model; same old scope and rail covers, plus the same rather chunky bipod hinge.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMW3 scope model; note notched rings, shorter flared eyepiece, flared objective.Error creating thumbnail: File missingMod 0 model; new, MW3-style scope, shorter rail covers and different handguard, gripped magazine base (looks like a Magpul with no loop) not present on the MW2 model.
Then they decided to go for a Mod 0 instead. And, as with a load of other weapons, they didn't bother to change some of the models that were actually in the game. The Mod 0 in "Goalpost" uses a variant MW3 scope model when you're holding it, but the MW2 world model when you drop it. Evil Tim 07:43, 15 February 2012 (CST)
M4A1
A quick query about the M4A1 used in the game, as you may be able to see in the pictures below the M4 is equipped with a rail riser, including when using the hybrid sight.
The EOTech XPS-3 part of the hybrid sight is situated on the lower rail whilst the magnifier is on the rail riser. Wouldn't this mess up the alignment between the two? Doesn't really look right to me but would like anyone else's input. --Noble.6 15:50, 28 November 2011 (CST)
If you zoom in and look carefully there's a silver plate between the base of the XPS-3 and the rail which raises it up to the same level as the riser. Evil Tim 16:22, 28 November 2011 (CST)
Ah, thanks. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to though... --Noble.6 16:48, 28 November 2011 (CST)
It's most likely that they designed the rifle before they decided to use this sight with it. A bit like how they just stuffed the RSASS into "Blood Brothers" even though the level was blatantly designed for the Barrett. Evil Tim 16:52, 28 November 2011 (CST)
I would just like to point out that the supposed USP Tactical isn't one; it still has the regular USP's fixed iron sights for one thing. The Wierd It 05:33, 2 December 2011 (CST)
And has markings on it saying "USP Tactical," plus an extended barrel. It's a USP Tactical with the wrong iron sights. This is hardly impossible, since the Tactical uses the same dovetails as the standard USP slide so there's no reason you couldn't swap irons.
So? Every other USP in the series had said extended barrel, but we didn't call them Tacs. Plus it's not like they've ever used correct trades before. The Wierd It 06:27, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Ok, let me just copy-paste what I said last time this came up, adding the CoD4 USP since I have that too now:
Here's an angle-for-angle comparison of the player models:
Error creating thumbnail: File missingStandard USP in CoD4. Barely visible barrel, slide says "(HK logo or something like it) USP .45 Auto." This is a USP 45.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingStandard USP from MW2 in MW3. Slide wording "(front cocking serration) USP .45 Auto." Has very slightly visible projecting barrel. This is a USP 45.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingUSP Tactical model. Slide says "USP Tactical .45 Auto," has highly visible (and therefore longer) projecting barrel. This is a USP Tactical.
The new one has a longer barrel and correctly calls itself a USP Tactical on the slide, while the original is just a malformed USP.
Let me just break this down:
Someone decided they needed a new USP model.
They made a new USP model which has features correct for a Tactical, and slide engraving saying it's a Tactical.
They decided to use the old MW2 USP model as well for no good reason.
They decided to call both the USP 45, also for no good reason.
Hence, there are two gun models, the old mutant USP and the new Tactical. Evil Tim 14:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)
I imagine, given the shorter extended barrel, the LAM in the first game and the possibly recycled from dev model rear sights in the second, the CoD4 / MW2 USP was originally going to be a Mark 23, and they kept the old barrel on the model for some reason. This new one's is in proportion for a USP Tac, and it says it's a USP Tac on the slide (which is a distinguishing feature of a USP Tac, after all). This is enough to upgrade it from mistake to intent, and the sights aren't impossible to swap between models and so aren't distinctive of the non-Tac model. Evil Tim 07:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Just beat me to it. Was going to say that the rear sight and the raised part of the slide it sits on, and the amount of barrel projection was from a Mark 23 as well. --commando552 07:10, 2 December 2011 (CST)
Just want to note that the suppressed USP with tactical knife in "Eye of the Storm" is also identified by name as a Tactical. It may be a side effect of the naming scheme in-game rather than actually referring to the real-world model, though; "Stronghold" gives the player a suppressed P99 with tactical knife that is also identified as "P99 Tactical". Kadorhal 13:03, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --commando552 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --Ranger12 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)
I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. Evil Tim 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? Evil Tim 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)
The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --commando552 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --commando552 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in Far Cry, mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. Evil Tim 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the Far Cry rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --commando552 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. Alex T Snow 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. Evil Tim 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --commando552 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. Evil Tim 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--Shadowkungfu 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Ah, CQB barrel, that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? Evil Tim 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Could be. :| - Mr. Wolf 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the G36 talk page, as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --commando552 18:10, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --Ranger12 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. Alex T Snow 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)
The G36K pictured above is a G36KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels (15 or so inches, I believe) on them than factory G36Ks. Here you can see one in A-Stan [1]. Spartan198 08:57, 20 December 2011 (CST)
Oakley Gloves
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe black (Oakley?) gloves in question. Notice the great detailing in the gloves' pads and stitching by the MW3 engine.
Slightly irrelevant from the realm of guns, but I know that Delta Force members use the tan Oakley Factory Pilot gloves, but what are the ones that Soap and Yuri use during their Prague raid? I would suppose they're just the black ones, but could someone please verify? --BlemoTALK • CONTRIBUTIONS • EMAIL • MESSAGE
I don't think they are actually Oakley gloves. Rather than the hollow "O" that is on the first section of the finger of genuine Oakley gloves, these appear to have a plain solid stud, which you tend to find on cheaper Oakley rip-off gloves, so imagine that is what the actual gloves were modelled off of. --commando552 05:23, 20 December 2011 (CST)
I thought everyone seemed to have SIs? (or were supposed to, keeping in mind the knockoff point above) The Wierd It 08:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)
During the Prague missions as well as Stronghold and Down The Rabbit Hole Yuri wears black Oakley Factory Pilot gloves. As far as his other missions where the gloves have the missing fingertips, they could just be a similar-looking generic model. --DeltaOne 02:24, 2 January 2012 (CST)
More guns
In MP on unlockable embelms and titles: a Bereta 92 Inox, slide of a 1911type gun, flintlock pistol + Mk2 grenade on achivment "Strike!". These needs to be added to page - Paul
+ kind of unrelated to this but it'd be noted that the ump STILL hold 32 bullets by default, and the CM901 holds 30 bullets, but I think it is suposed to be the .308 cal variant which holds only 20. - Paul
in SP theres a MP5 w/ slimline forearm and w/o magrelease paddle on a sign during the levl with the sandstorm. -Paul
On "Black Tuesday", the US troops that show up with the Stryker have M1911s holstered on the front of their tactical vests.--James Woods 00:42, 2 January 2012 (CST)
Some more guns are a Sig in Price's leg holster in 'Stronghold', as well as another gun I couldn't identitfy in 'Blood Brothers', in another one of Price's holster. It looked liked Grigg's Springfield from COD 4, except w/ textures looking like they were pulled from Half-life. -= Taedeezy 4:10, 7 January 2012 (MST)
I'll be going through again to get these soonish. Evil Tim 11:18, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Also, according to the COD wiki there is a usable "M9" (92SB) on the level Down the Rabbit Hole. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 11:37, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Listed with [citation needed], ie it's some kid mistaking the USP for an M9. Evil Tim 11:39, 23 January 2012 (CST)
Price has a holstered USP in Stronghold, not a SIG. The Wierd It 17:59, 1 February 2012 (CST)
Type-95 is a 97
When I played the game again, I noticed the Type 95 doesn't reload the same way and the mag looks like a 5.56 mag. And when it reloads, it inserts the mag instead of the hook style. And the world game model and the menu model is exactly like a 97. Excalibur01 22:43, 22 January 2012 (CST)
Soap's P99
I just played through the PS3 version of the game again. It appears as though Soap draws a P99 in "Blood Brothers" while Price is carrying him to the safehouse. Can anyone else confirm this?-Glamdring
Yes, he does. Evil Tim 16:20, 1 February 2012 (CST)
On the topic of the P99, I want to say it's the 9mm version with the capacity of the .40 version, but I'm not sure - the is shaped like the .40 version, but the textures look like they're trying to imitate the indentations of the 9mm slide. My guess is either they thought the 9mm version would be more recognizable but got lazy about it, or the models and textures were made by different people who weren't on the same page as to what exact gun they were trying to make. What do you think? Kadorhal (talk) 20:02, 25 December 2012 (EST)
MP7 Mag
I just noticed that the MP7's extended mag baseplate (it's not technically the base of the mag, but what else would you call it?) is actually stuck to the gun instead of the magazine itself. It's really obvious in the second screenshot in the MP7 entry. Can anyone confirm this and possibly add it to the page? --Don Bigles 05:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Ah, someone added it. Thanks. --Don Bigles 05:35, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I can't find a JPG pic which the upload page says i need, so i can't show, but it seems the MP7 reloads with empty magazines (Google "Modern Warfare 3 MP7 Reload" on Google Images), is this worth adding?--Z008MJ 07:06, 8 February 2012 (CST)
It's not empty, it's solid. I'll add a pic later. Evil Tim 07:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)
Always Wondered
Why, in games such as this, are correct weapons names (Desert Eagle Mark XIX, Brügger & Thomet MP-9) used but in others they are called the "Falcon 357" or generic names like "Sniper Rifle"? Anyone? Bueller? Charon68 09:49, 4 February 2012 (CST)
I guess it's because Activision can afford to cover the copyright costs, name infringement isn't free.
Yeah, it's a trademark issue. Most companies haven't trademarked the distinctive shape of their weapons (though Glock and HK have), but they have the names, and it's much easier to prove infringement on a name than on a shape anyway. Evil Tim 02:45, 5 February 2012 (CST)
Activision has more money. Other game companies don't. wonder how much money it cost them for those huge logos like remington and EOTech?--Coltmth 22:29, 5 February 2012 (CST)
I assumed in the logo cases it was the other way round, with the firearms companies paying Activision for the product placement. --commando552 03:42, 6 February 2012 (CST)
It's funny when big-name firearms companies resort to product placement. Do they really expect the military officials to play such kind of games? Or does America nowadays allow the sales of military-grade firearms (like those Remington rifles) to civilian population? --Masterius 02:20, 14 February 2012 (CST)
If you have the money and the patience to jump through the Federal hoops and live in a state that allows the firearms, you can have whatever. --DeltaOne 05:37, 14 February 2012 (CST)
I doubt you could get a Remington ACR or an R11 RSASS at all as they are Remington Defence weapons and not sold to civilians, only to military and law enforcement. --commando552 05:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)
Maybe they're trying to get to police procurement guys via their kid sons. "Come on dad, it'd be really cool if you bought this one!" Evil Tim 07:31, 14 February 2012 (CST)
(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing Call of Duty?! It's an unrealistic portrayal of firearms, now get back on the computer and play more America's Army!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, IMFDB does *not* condone child abuse) Spartan198 14:50, 26 February 2012 (CST)
(*Slap*) "What have I told you about playing America's Army?! The son of a Marine would never play this game, now get back on the computer and check if Six Days in Fallujah is already out!" (Disclaimer: This was merely for comedic purposes, Marines and Soldiers are known for not liking being indistinguished) --Masterius 01:46, 27 February 2012 (CST)
When did I indistinguish Soldiers and Marines? And sadly I doubt we'll be seeing Six Days on shelves any time soon. Spartan198 03:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)
I didn't really comment in regards to that post, just needed something, for comedic purposes :)
And indeed, the lack of any progress on game since 2010 is disappointing :\ --Masterius 07:17, 27 February 2012 (CST)
Believe me, I've been looking forward to Six Days for a while. The game is supposedly finished and ready to ship, but no publisher seems to have the balls to distribute it. It could become the Thrill Kill of shooter games (i.e., the "best fighting game you've never played", as it's so frequently referred to as). Funny how almost all of the criticism for it (as well as Medal of Honor 2010) came mostly from foreign entities. Yeah, the British and the Danish "disagree" with two games that revolve around the US military, but no one over there seems to have any problems with the SAS-starring Modern Warfare series. Kind of bizarre how that works out, huh? ;) Spartan198 18:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)
Medal of Honor was banned from selling in US Military Bases, wasn't it? But yes, the highly vocal boycotting of these 2 games, and not CoD: MWs, by British is really suspicious and looks more like propaganda stuff...
Should Atomic Games have gone indie with the game, the lack of publisher wouldn't be an obstacle :\ --Masterius 02:18, 28 February 2012 (CST)
I thought all the shit with Medal of Honor was because it let people play as a faction explicitly named as the Taliban until EA caved under pressure and changed it. The Wierd It 04:22, 28 February 2012 (CST)
That was the seed that the criticism tree sprouted from, yes. I still think it's just the fact that the US military takes center stage in them instead of second fiddle like in CoD, though. Spartan198 00:38, 20 July 2012 (CDT)
UMP.45 Manufacturer
Did anyone else notice that while MW2's UMP was manufactured by Heckler & Koch in Sterling, Virginia, MW3's model was made by the infamous "Gunnery Gun Co."? Just putting it out there, in the event that an admin wants to add some smarmy remark (Best damn parts of the article...)
Which is totally inaccurate, since everyone knows UMPs are made by Pooder & Chernoosky like the G36. Evil Tim 23:58, 25 March 2012 (CDT)
Really? I could've swore the UMP and the G36 came from Hitler & Krotch in Nazi-Land, Europe.
Overkill perk icon
Since the Call of Duty 4 and World at War pages refer to the weapons present in their Overkill icons, I figure we should do so for this game as well. What's this look like to you guys? My best guess is some form of AK without a magazine, though since there doesn't seem to be a release lever, I'd rather have someone else look at it to make sure. Kadorhal 17:48, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
It really is impossible to tell for sure. It's just to vague. There are no markings whatsoever. Barrett50 15:05, 6 August 2012
FAD three round burst
Unless I'm somehow doing something really wrong, I'm pretty sure the FAD doesn't have a three round burst when the fire button is tapped. Animalmenace
If there even is a three-round burst on the gun, it could just be a multiplayer thing - I didn't get it to do that either, but I only tested the SP version. Alright, apparently Survival mode uses the multiplayer versions of guns. It still was not firing in bursts when I tapped the trigger. Kadorhal 16:34, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
M249
can a mod add this? well at least phrase it in?
the configuration that this m249 have, doen't make it an FN minimi? which the M249 based on, and when clicked, redirected to Fn minimi.
Special Ops/Survival weapons stats + Beretta 92SB in campaign
At the start of the pages it says that "Special Ops mode and Survival use the singleplayer weapon stats and abilities unless otherwise noted". Actually it's only the case for the Special Ops mode, while the Survival mode uses the multiplayer weapons stats and abilities, the exceptions being the weapons bought from the "equipment" armory (such as the riot shield, C4, grenades, etc.)
Also, information about the Beretta 92SB (called M9 in-game) from MW1 and MW2 should be added, as this handgun can rarely be found in the mission "Goalpost" (you can see that in some videos in youtube)--Ultimate94ninja 14:15, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
The reference to sniper rifles having dual sights shouldn't really be there, either - that's a one-time thing on the RSASS from "Eye of the Storm" and doesn't show up anywhere else. Kadorhal 17:38, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
Beretta 92SB
It is useable in the mission "Goalpost". Delta Force operators will draw the 92SB after running out of ammo with their primary weapon. Dead operators will sometimes drop the Beretta. It is a recycled MW2 M9, and uses the same firing sound. - User:1morey August 6, 2012 5:30 PM (EST)
I'll take a look and get a shot if I can find one. Evil Tim 09:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
Maybe it will be hard to find one in Goalpost, so if you can't take screenshots of it in this level, we can still add another point: in the downloadable special ops mission "Special Delivery", the wounded soldier at the end holds a 92SB. Also, maybe we should add info about the new "Starstreak" launcher in the FIM-92A Stinger section (the Starstreak weapon uses the same model as the Stinger) --Ultimate94ninja 14:30, 18 August 2012 (CDT)
Heh, I uploaded that one. Kadorhal (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
M16A4 with optics
The M16A4 still has the front sight/gas block removed when aftermarket optics are added, just like in the last two games. Figured that'd be worth a mention. Kadorhal 22:03, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
I just took another look; you can see a low-profile gas block on the M4 when reloading the M203, but the M16 player model is too long to really tell if there's something there or not. I'll take a look at one on the ground later. Evil Tim 22:30, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
Took a look at it myself while testing out the Terminal port from MW2 in Survival. No front sight as usual with alternate optics, but at the same time the Create-a-Class image for the gun seems to have the front sight within the handguard, so there could be a low-profile gas block within it. That or whoever made the Create-a-Class image doesn't know AR-15's. Kadorhal 21:41, 28 August 2012 (CDT)
Well, that's sad. Spartan198 00:05, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
I'd say that's pretty much certain since the fire selector is set to "look I just broke the fire selector." Evil Tim 00:39, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
That's the most dangerous and efficient firing mode ever fielded to the operators. It always takes 'the enemy' by surprise.--BeloglaviSup 03:28, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
Replayed Act 1, found some more tidbits about the M16 and a few guns:
1.) The M16A4 effectively replaces the M4A1 as the standard weapon of US forces in "Goalpost" after Rhino Two-One is knocked out in the parking garage. This is pretty much its only consistent appearance in Campaign mode.
2.) NPC allies equipped with the M16A4 in "Goalpost" seem to have working fire selectors: I saw one guy fire single shots at one point and then fire bursts five minutes later.
3.) I think I saw an ally in "Goalpost" pull out a Beretta 92SB, but I'm not 100% sure since he didn't actually fire it and switched back to his rifle before I could get a clear close-up look.
4.) Sergeant Wallcroft and a few of the other SAS men in "Mind the Gap" have an MP7A1 with 20-round magazine in their sidearm holsters, rather than the USP Tactical the player and most of the other SAS have. This seems to be the sole appearance of the MP7 in Campaign. Kadorhal (talk) 21:27, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
I've figured out what makes allies pull their sidearms but it's going to be a pain to actually make it happen deliberately; they have to fire their last shot from their main weapon away from cover (otherwise they reload) and without killing whoever they were firing at. And without dying, which is what usually happens when they're in such a position. Evil Tim (talk) 02:50, 17 January 2013 (EST)
Well, I managed it. And also, since I apparently refuse to let this topic drift away from the M16A4, I found this too: equip the M203 on an M16A4 with it in singleplayer and the whole thing will switch to the MW2 model. Kadorhal (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
Does that happen in every level, or just that one? The reason I ask is that Goalpost is the one with the different Mk 14 player model, so it's rather likely it's yet another placeholder. I'll have to go back through to get 16:9 caps of those two anyway.
I swear this is some horrible conspiracy to make everyone play the worst level in the entire game over and over. Evil Tim (talk) 05:27, 11 February 2013 (EST)
I'm pretty sure it's just this level, considering the M16A4 is generally only available in one mission per game in this series. Kadorhal (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2013 (EST)
QBZ-97 3-round burst
In the "QBZ-97" section it is stated that the 3-round burst mode is incorrect for this weapon. This fire mode is actually available on the QBZ-97A variant (an improved export model of the QBZ-97), so probably this is the variant featured in-game (if it is not, someone should still mention in the page that the 3-rd burst exists for the QBZ-97A variant) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:00, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
"AK-47" Furniture
I might be somewhat late for the party, but if it is worth noting, I'd say that AK is fitted with a handguard similar to Midwest Industries' one (with rail covers) and its scope mount resembles Belarusian PB-02.
Is the AA-12 the full scale version?
The create-a-class image has a shorter barrel and I know you can get a short-barrelled version. Can someone compare the picture on the page with the c-a-c image and see if it's still right.
Since the MW3 page can't be edited, I thought I would point out a minor thing; in a caption to one of the P90 pictures pointing out the "dual scope" attachment, it states that it is multiplayer-only; however, this isn't correct, because the attachment is featured in at least one mission in the campaign (the opening mission). --Dirty Harold (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2012 (EST)
No it can't, you're thinking of the hybrid scope. The HAMR scope is never available in single. Evil Tim (talk) 03:06, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Harold is right. I've used it in at least two of the single player missions. It's hard to mix up the HAMR with the hybrid since the former only works on SMG's in the game and the latter is for Assault Rifles/Carbines along with the fact that they look completely different. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 11:56, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Could you tell me in which missions the HAMR appears, then? The P90 picture says the HAMR duel optic isn't in any of the missions, I know very well the Hybrid Scope is since I have pictures of it on this page in the first level and "Scorched Earth." Evil Tim (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I know for sure you can use it in the first level. I can't remember the name of it but it is in the level where you're in India and you have to escort Soap to the Little Bird and you're playing as Yuri. Those are the only ones I can remember it in. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 13:06, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I've never seen it in the first level, and I'm fairly sure there aren't even any SMGs in Persona Non Grata, let alone ones with HAMR Scopes. I really think you're just mis-remembering this. Evil Tim (talk) 13:21, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Eh, I may very well have been. It's been awhile since I played through the campaign. But Puppet claims to have seen it, now; I don't know. At any rate, feel free to disregard this now... blame it on my senility. --Dirty Harold (talk) 18:43, 26 December 2012 (EST)
Well I know I'm not mis-remembering because I've used them and played the single player more times than I can count. And there are SMG's in Persona Non Grata(Thank you by the way for saying what the mission was called) because I've picked up quite a few P90's while working my way through the mission. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2012 (EST)
I'm not saying I don't believe you (well, ok, I am) but I've played through those levels plenty of times too and I've never seen the HAMR outside multiplayer. Could you get a screenshot? Even a photo of a TV screen is fine, but obviously it's much easier for you to prove it is there than for me to show you a picture of something that isn't in the picture. Evil Tim (talk) 06:18, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Understandable. I'll see what I can do. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 12:26, 29 December 2012 (EST)
If this hasn't already been settled yet, I just replayed the first three levels in search of a HAMR scope, and from what I've seen it appears that Evil Tim is right on both counts - there are no SMGs at all in Persona Non Grata (they could be dropped by allies for all I know, but this time through it seemed every one of them had a PKP), and the ones available in Black Tuesday and Hunter Killer do not have HAMR scopes. ACOGs, red dots, and holographics, yes, but no HAMRs. Kadorhal (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2013 (EST)
Sorry it took so long but I have a screenshot of a P90 in the mission "Persona Non Grata" but I have no idea how to add it. I'm still looking for a P90 with a HAMR sight in the game, but so far no luck. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 12:35, 17 January 2013 (EST)
Do like I did for that MP7 image above: upload it and link to it here on the talk page. Even if nobody puts it on the actual page, at least you have proof. Kadorhal (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2013 (EST)
AT4
The AT4 is available in Persona non Grata but cannot be seen without noclip. Anyone want to take a shot?
Source:
You've got to laugh at some of the captions on the MW3 page. You'd actually think this was real-world and not a game. It isn't real life and is bound to make a few mistakes!! --Ritch (talk) 01:49, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
I've gotta laugh at you for expecting a website dedicated to the portrayal of firearms in media to not point out the mountains of ridiculous mistakes that IW and Treyarch make time after time after time after time in these games. The constant screw ups are what actually turned me off to this game series. You might find the CoD wiki is a better community for you. Spartan198 (talk) 08:27, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
You reckon it might be a better community for me? Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. I think I'll stick around here seeing as I am entitled to my opinion and I'm not a fan of the game. I came to this page for information and just said what I found. --Ritch (talk) 12:16, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
You came to the page for information and are objecting that there is too much? With any piece of media if there are glaring errors with how a particular gun is portrayed (for example films with pump action noise on a double barrelled shotgun, safety catch talk for a Glock, stuff like that) there is not problem with mentioning it. With games like this that are played by a wide audience who are not necessarily knowledgeable about firearms, they can lead to a lot of misinformation about certain guns, and if we can help prevent that then I don't see the issue with pointing out the mistakes and inaccuracies that were made. What captions in particular do you think are over the top nit-picky? --commando552 (talk) 13:15, 13 April 2013 (EDT)
The fact that it makes mistakes is not a good reason to ignore them. Nothing wrong with the captions here, I should know because I wrote them. Also, the statement "you are entitled to your opinion" means people will not come around your house with tyre irons and beat it out of you, it does not mean that we are entitled to your opinion, or that your opinion is automatically considered worthwhile, logically justified or factual. Lose the attitude, please. Evil Tim (talk) 05:41, 14 April 2013 (EDT)
RPD
The RPD Model from COD4 appears in a cutscene for the mission Return to Sender.Mr.Ice (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
I uploaded the image, but it appears the page is locked so that only admins can edit it.
Yeah, I uploaded my own a little after anyway, it's up there now. Evil Tim (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
Changing Minebea M-9 image
I made a change on the Minebea M-9 image to make it consistent so that the filenames consist of "File:Minebea M-9 submachine gun (New).jpg" and "File:Minebea M-9 (old).jpg". I can't change it since the page is locked. Ominae (talk) 00:40, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
FN SCAR-L
Perhaps it just seems to me, but the first generation of the FN SCAR-L is much larger in appearance resembles a model represented in the game?
Wouldn't have surprised me if it were the case (games like this seem to be in some bizarre time-loop where everything in current military use has been replaced, but solely by prototypes and concept mock-ups of 5+-year-old guns), but the third-person model and Create-a-Class icon indicate it's third-gen. Kadorhal (talk) 02:17, 22 February 2014 (EST)
Protection
Please can someone remove the page's protection? I don't think it is needed anymore. Furthermore, there's some extra info that needs to be put. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
I'm a bit loath to unlock a completed high traffic game page like this. What needs to be added? --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:29, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
These are the points:
The Beretta 92SB from the two previous MW games (referred to as "M9") appears, only in the campaign mission "Goalpost".
The Colt Anaconda is referred to as ".44 Magnum", not ".44 Mag".
I wouldn't really call the MP5A2 "new", seeing that other MP5 variants appeared in previous games.
In the article, the AA-12 is incorrectly stated to have a more controllable rate of fire than in Modern Warfare 2. It actually has the same RoF as in MW2: ~705 RPM in campaign/spec ops (exaggerated for a full-auto shotgun) and 400 in multiplayer..
When reloading the KSG, all shells are incorrectly placed into a single tube instead of both tubes.
Since the SPAS-12's production has ended in 2000, its use by several factions in 2016 and 2017 is inaccurate.
Concerning the Winchester M1887, like in MW2, all shells are erroneously placed in the barrel instead of one in the barrel and the others in the magazine tube.
The Masterkey's 7-round capacity in campaign is too much for a weapon of this size.
Concerning the QBZ-97, the 3-round burst mode is not incorrect (although it is too fast; 1016 RPM vs the real 650 RPM). I don't know if all the QBZ variants have this fire mode or specific versions like the QBZ-97A.
The AK-47 is incorrectly the standard assault rifle for Russian troops in 2016 instead of the AK-74.
The article implies that the FAD's 40-round capacity is incorrect; in fact, 40-round STANAG mags are correct, as far as I know.
The RSASS is anachronistically seen in the 1996 "One Shot, One Kill" flashback in Blood Brothers; the RSASS was developed in 2010.
The Barrett M82A1 does not appear in the game. The scope glint in the "One Shot, One Kill" flashback is solely a visual effect.
Like in MW2, the L86A1 is erroneously always cocked after reloading, even if the mag wasn't empty. The British armed forces has switched to the L86A2, but I don't know if it matters in this game because the weapon is not used by British factions.
The M240B can actually be used in the Wii version of MW3, in the mission "Goalpost". Additionally, the sentence "the M240B, being essentially cut from the game, is not misclassified" should be removed from the main "Machine Guns" section, for the same reason.
Like in CoD4, the "M60E4" is actually an M60E3. Furthermore, unlike the PKP Pecheneg and the M249 Para SAW, the M60E3 and the M240B are still cocked before replacing the belts, and I think that it is incorrect.
The Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW should be direct-fire only; it does not have the homing capabilities seen in multiplayer.
Although the AT4 is technically not available in the game, it appears as the model/skin for a special FIM-92 Stinger that is used by a friendly loyalist soldier, at the start of "Persona Non Grata", to take down an enemy helicopter. This one can only be obtained with cheats (but cannot be fired): if friendly fire is disabled via console commands, that soldier can be killed and he will drop the weapon.
The XM25 is incorrectly fully-automatic in multiplayer instead of semi-automatic.
Very well. I've unlocked it. I'm thinking of relocking it when you're done however. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:29, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
Thank you. However, can you enlighten me about whether the QBZ's burst and the FAD's 40-rd mag are correct or not? (look at the points that I mentioned) And what about the M60E3/M240B reloading/cocking? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:47, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
Well, this is certainly why I locked it in the first place, yes. You might want to actually read the article before suggesting changes (a lot of the things you "added" were already covered in captions). You might also want to familiarise yourself with what you have to do to a copy of MW3 in order to enable the console (noting that the config file is encrypted in MW3) to see why I didn't try to take images using noclip, and why I'm not happy with images taken that way being here. Evil Tim (talk) 01:16, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
Just to go through these properly now that I actually have some nicotine in me:
Yes
Yes
It's new because it wasn't in the older games.
The article said it was more controllable but fired faster in singleplayer.
The article already said this.
Guns do not evaporate when they cease production: it was always inaccurate for it to be in use by any of the factions, because it has never been a standard issue military weapon.
Already said that, too.
Yes.
I think that's an artifact of when it was ID'd as a QBZ-95. It's still pretty incorrect for it to only fire in bursts, I think.
I'd had thought if Russia were some huge resurgent power they'd probably be using AK-101s / 102s for the commonality of ammo for their impossible America-invading plan they came up with and executed in 24 hours.
A STANAG magazine can have a capacity of 30 rounds or 40 rounds but not both, last I checked, and the weapon model doesn't change in multiplayer.
Was already in the M82 caption.
Eh, I did think that one was pushing it a little, I guess.
Don't think you actually added that one.
You'll notice the top of the page doesn't list the game as being on the Wii. We chose to ignore that version entirely since unless Bunni agrees to buy me games, pay me to screencap them and marry me (just in case he agrees to do the first two :P) I'm not doing it and nobody else has the gear to do it.
Yes / research that / don't care.
Yes.
There's no way to get those images without doing something that's at least technically illegal. Since I know that, we can't apply the usual DADT rule we use for such things.
Not really, you just get repeat shots by holding the button down, at a rate that suggests you're instructing your character to pull the trigger over and over by holding down yours. You could code a bolt-action weapon to fire again as soon as the animation had finished if the player was still holding fire, but that wouldn't be best described as "fully automatic." Evil Tim (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
Evil Tim, some changes you made are wrong:
You claimed that the Desert Eagle and AA-12 have lower fire rates than in MW2, whereas they are actually unchanged.
Contrary to your claim above, I did add the info about the L86A1 being erroneously always cocked after reloading, and I don't see any reason why you removed it.
I don't either see any reason why you removed the info about the SA 1911 being seen in soldiers' holsters.
You replaced "available" by "availabe" in the Magpul FMG-9 section, and you removed a square bracket from the M60E3 section. Additionally, you misspelled "image" as "imege" in the M240B section, which caused the image to appear as a redlink
The M136 AT4 can still be seen used by the Loyalist soldier without hacking the game. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:51, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
Now you just took in consideration the M60E3 and M240B only. Why did you ignore the others? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:09, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
Would you care to explain precisely when this site's admin staff were made a direct report to you? Lose the attitude. Now. Evil Tim (talk) 16:14, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
Since the page is locked, if there's something you feel is missing, please let us know here. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:07, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
Did it not strike you that demanding every edit be explained to you in detail is incredibly rude? As is undoing an admin's edit to another page while quoting the rules at them as if you're the ultimate authority on the subject? Evil Tim (talk) 05:10, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
This is not the time or place for that. If you have a personal problem, take it to the talk pages. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:32, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
When someone tells you to lose the attitude, they do not mean "please proceed with the same attitude while dragging in irrelevant information from other wikis." Yes, adding accurate information to CoDwiki is an uphill battle because CrazySam is angry at me for pointing out he doesn't understand the concept of resolution and so habitually undoes all my edits regardless of how constructive they are. This is different from removing information that requires fact-checking until I can fact-check it since a large amount of the information you add isn't accurate to the point I won't simply take your word for things. Evil Tim (talk) 14:45, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
Sorry about the argument. Anyway, maybe we should add that despite the Remington ACR's ambidextrous charging handle, the player bothers switching hands and cocking it from the right instead of simply cocking it from the left. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:52, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
Eh, my fault a little too, I'd just had a tooth out and wasn't in the greatest of moods. The thing is I fact-check suggested changes before I put them up (for example, I'd want to check patch histories to be sure certain things aren't just true now) and would rather we exclusively use our own screenshots for these pages, particularly since the cut-down images CoDwiki uses, while suitable for the size they display them at, tend to result in borked perspective and are boring to look at when they're shown large. So it tends to be that I'll be checking over and gathering screencaps at weekends or whenever I can sift through the several thousand I already have to grab one of something new. Evil Tim (talk) 08:50, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
ACR
The ACR 6.8 in-game as a longer barrel than the military Remington ACR (as seen here and here, though I'm not sure if this also applies to the 1st person model). Should this make it the civilian Bushmaster variant? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:54, 6 January 2015 (EST)
It looks like it's the 14.5 on the in-game model (this doesn't look as long as the one on the third person model), but we've got some pictures of Remington ACRs with 16 inch barrels on Talk:Bushmaster ACR, so I don't think it would mean it's a different model. Evil Tim (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Eh, right, I forgot about the 16.5 barrel. But what specific components allow us to to differentiate between the Remington and Bushmaster ACR? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:45, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Well, aside from the giant Remington logo that's a but of a giveaway as to which version it's supposed to be, I think the handguard with bigger vents is only on the Remington ACR. Evil Tim (talk) 08:01, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Yeah, regarding the handguard, that was in my mind, thanks for clarifying. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:29, 6 January 2015 (EST)
Find Makarov live action short film
Identified most weapons in Find Makarov and Find Makarov: Operation Kingfish. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:19, 9 December 2014 (EST)
Colt Anaconda
Shepherd (David Brandon George) uses a Colt Anaconda.
Soap (Michael Heathcote) uses a Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 during the obstacle course. However, the weapon fires as if it is unsilenced, as evidenced by the firing sound and the muzzle flash.
A Colt Model 727 with an M203 grenade launcher is used by Soap (Jon Morgan). Judging by the large white logo on the magazine well, it is likely an airsoft replica.
When Soap hits the table and screams "Who is Kingfish?!" at the end, several rifles, along with an Accuracy International AW variant, are seen behind him.
After Roach detonates a breaching charge, Soap shouts "9-Bang out!", but he actually throws an M84 stun grenade, not a Rheinmetall "9-Bang". Nevertheless, the grenade detonates multiple times like the 9-Bang, but six times instead of nine.
It can actually be used in singleplayer, in the mission "Bag and Drag", though it is extremely rare (just like the Beretta 92SB in Goalpost) since it can only be obtained from the allied GIGN if they get into CQC fights with the enemies. I can post a couple of screencaps if someone wants proof, but they're unusable on the main page since they're taken off the TV and I don't have the game on PC. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:00, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
I always thought that the only way they ever got those out was if they emptied their primary weapon at an enemy without killing them, they'd transition to their pistol rather than doing their reloading animation for their rifle. I've never got one of the guys in Goalpost to pull his sidearm and I finally got tired of it since it's the most boring level in the franchise, but I might give bag and drag a go to see if I can find one. Crap screenshot would be ok here on the talk page just to confirm it happens, I'll add it to the article then. Evil Tim (talk) 09:38, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
I wouldn't really recommend you to try checking it, since finding these two handguns is a freakin' pain in the ass :P Anyway, allies do usually draw their handguns after emptying their primary weapon in the middle of a gunfight, but this didn't work for me in Bag and Drag, and neither did it in Goalpost, as they kept on stupidly reloading their primaries in front of the enemy. It's by pure luck that I managed to get akimbo 92SBs in the latter, from an ally's body (regarding this pistol you can find YouTube videos showing it in the mission). Anyway, here you go:
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe solider on the right is Sabre, who got into a hand-to-hand fight with an enemy and finished him off with his Colt Anaconda.
In this playthrough, I got the Colt Anaconda from Tueur, another GIGN soldier who usually gets killed in this mission (unlike Sabre and Faucon). He got into a CQC fight and drew his revolver, but lost against his opponent. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:49, 21 May 2016 (EDT)
Another fine example of Infinity Ward's realistic choices in weapons. Kinda glad they gave up and moved to sci-fi crap. Mr. Wolf (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Doesn't GIGN actually use revolvers? (A few seconds later) Yes they do!--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Reason being that they're easier to use in front of riot shield, I wish Montagne could do that in Rainbow 6.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
Seemed like Mr Wolf didn't know that they use revolvers, that's why i linked to that article.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
They don't use Anacondas though, so the point still stands. That is like justifying a Navy SEAL carrying a Desert Eagle by saying that they use SIGs. As for why they use revolvers still, although the shield thing is debatable true, it is not really the reason. They just historically preferred the .357 cartridge and the reliability and simplicity of a revolver as a CQB weapon. They are used by GIGN more widely than just shield carriers. In fact, I believe that they have started to use Glocks with a 33 magazine with a shield due to it being so hard to reload (they may also carry their MR-73 still as a secondary weapon). S&W made a revolver which they tried to market for police use with a shield (M&P R8) but I have never heard of anyone using it in this capacity. --commando552 (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
The difference between an Anaconda and whatever revolvers the GIGN use is not nearly as big as the difference between a SIG and a damn Desert Eagle. But why waste time arguing about this anyway...--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
They are two weapons of very different size and weight, firing a different cartridge, one of which is a serious military/police weapon whilst the other is a novelty/niche hunting weapon. Doesn't seem that far off to me. --commando552 (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
I wasn't saying it was unrealistic for the GIGN to use revolvers, just the Colt Anaconda specifically. It's pretty cool that they still use .357 revolvers. Mr. Wolf (talk) 23:54, 22 May 2016 (EDT)
It's name implies it's suppose to be Terminator 2 inspired. Mr. Wolf (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
Fictional Drone is not so fictional...
According to Howe Technologies Ripsaw MS2. At least according to www.igcd.net --Dannyguns (talk) 08:50, 2 December 2016 (EST)
You realise a Ripsaw is like six or seven feet tall, right? Also the tracks and running gear are completely wrong for a Ripsaw.Evil Tim (talk) 10:23, 2 December 2016 (EST)
There are some similarities in general shape, but at the most this is only vaguely based on a Ripsaw. If you compare this to this there are a lot of differences. --commando552 (talk) 11:38, 2 December 2016 (EST)
Immediatly after I seen that on igcd i put here, so well, thanks commando... and Evil Tim I never seen a Ripsaw in my life before commando552 showed.--Dannyguns (talk) 14:57, 2 December 2016 (EST)
On another note, the PP-90M1 section incorrectly has "9x18mm" in the caption, whereas it's actually chambered in 9x19mm. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2017 (EST)
"Starstreak" launcher in Spec Ops
Should we add it. --Dannyguns (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2017 (EST)
It is a made up launcher based on the Stinger model, so have just added a note for it in that section. --commando552 (talk) 06:05, 28 February 2017 (EST)
A couple of additional notes: previously, the site's M60E4 image was incorrectly named M60E3. I renamed it, so can someone of the admins please make the appropriate change in the M60E4 section? (as well as delete the old "M60E3.jpg" redirect). Also, the AWM section lists some incorrect things;
in reality both the AW and AWM can have either folding or non-folding stocks, and it wouldn't have been correct to call the in-game weapon "L115A1" (could have been simply called "AWM" or something), because according to what is stated on Ghosts page the real L115A1 has a non-folding stock. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:01, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
Evil Tim 06:01, 2 December 2011 (CST)
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