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The SIG doesn't seem to be a SIG to me, it clearly has a slanted grip/magwell, not flat. Doesn't appear to have an external hammer either, tough to tell. I won't swear to this but a possible guess for me might be a [[Smith & Wesson Sigma]]. The first AK I recall seeing before, can't place it right now though. Second AK is a Norinco Type 56-1 since it appears to have the hooded front sight and non-ribbed receiver. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 03:01, 21 February 2016 (EST) | The SIG doesn't seem to be a SIG to me, it clearly has a slanted grip/magwell, not flat. Doesn't appear to have an external hammer either, tough to tell. I won't swear to this but a possible guess for me might be a [[Smith & Wesson Sigma]]. The first AK I recall seeing before, can't place it right now though. Second AK is a Norinco Type 56-1 since it appears to have the hooded front sight and non-ribbed receiver. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 03:01, 21 February 2016 (EST) | ||
::Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST) | ::Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST) | ||
::: Produced perhaps not, but I'm quite certain there's aftermarket black/plastic furniture that can be installed. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST) | ::: Produced perhaps not, but I'm quite certain there's aftermarket black/plastic furniture that can be installed. There are receiver markings in the one shot - Though not quite discernible, I believe they match with those for imported Type 56s (which often had the slant compensator installed). In the event, only the Chinese AKs have hooded sights. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST) | ||
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M16 Carbine
This short carbine makes me think about 9mm Colt R0635. Everything except for the caliber looks very like the screen gun. Can it be that 9mm Colt carbine is visually modified by covering 9mm magazine with a large fake 5.56mm one, and so used for firing cheap blank 9mm ammo while looking more impressive? Greg-Z (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2016 (EST)
I would say it to be a CQB-R if not 2002 year that it's a bit too early for CQB-R M16 on screen. Greg-Z (talk) 16:21, 20 February 2016 (EST)
- The RO635 has that distinctive brass deflector. And I don't know why anyone would bother vismodding a 9mm AR to a 5.56mm AR. I just don't think filmmakers care that much. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:47, 20 February 2016 (EST)
- BTW, there's also one in Undercover Brother, also from 2002. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:53, 20 February 2016 (EST)
- I understand that the RO635's particular blast deflector is easily installed/removed, but in the event this is not a Colt SMG since it has an A1 upper with the forward assist, which the blowback-operated SMG guns don't need and subsequently don't have (instead having slickside uppers). In Undercover Brother its listed as an XM177E1, of which it possibility could indeed be that with A1 flash hider fitted instead of the moderator. Otherwise another, more likely and simpler explanation is that these are just A1-receiver Carbines/Commandos with the barrels cut down, akin to the shorty Canadian-receiver ARs in the first few seasons of X-Files. StanTheMan (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- Thanks, I got it. What is the most possible base model of Commando carbine for such cut down version? Hardly Mdel 609/610 but maybe Model 629? Greg-Z (talk) 10:35, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- Not sure really - Probably one of the other variants (65x) or so. In the event I think you might be best doing it like I did on the X-Files pages - Using the image of the 733 Commando as a close visual reference and noting the shorter barrel and A1 receiver (the image we have for the M733 has an A1E1 upper, but it could be had with A1 upper as well). Just a thought. StanTheMan (talk) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- Thanks, I got it. What is the most possible base model of Commando carbine for such cut down version? Hardly Mdel 609/610 but maybe Model 629? Greg-Z (talk) 10:35, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- I understand that the RO635's particular blast deflector is easily installed/removed, but in the event this is not a Colt SMG since it has an A1 upper with the forward assist, which the blowback-operated SMG guns don't need and subsequently don't have (instead having slickside uppers). In Undercover Brother its listed as an XM177E1, of which it possibility could indeed be that with A1 flash hider fitted instead of the moderator. Otherwise another, more likely and simpler explanation is that these are just A1-receiver Carbines/Commandos with the barrels cut down, akin to the shorty Canadian-receiver ARs in the first few seasons of X-Files. StanTheMan (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- BTW, there's also one in Undercover Brother, also from 2002. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:53, 20 February 2016 (EST)
Other IDs
The SIG doesn't seem to be a SIG to me, it clearly has a slanted grip/magwell, not flat. Doesn't appear to have an external hammer either, tough to tell. I won't swear to this but a possible guess for me might be a Smith & Wesson Sigma. The first AK I recall seeing before, can't place it right now though. Second AK is a Norinco Type 56-1 since it appears to have the hooded front sight and non-ribbed receiver. StanTheMan (talk) 03:01, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? Greg-Z (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- Produced perhaps not, but I'm quite certain there's aftermarket black/plastic furniture that can be installed. There are receiver markings in the one shot - Though not quite discernible, I believe they match with those for imported Type 56s (which often had the slant compensator installed). In the event, only the Chinese AKs have hooded sights. StanTheMan (talk) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- Yes, S&W Sigma seems a correct guess, thanks! I'm not totally sure about Type 56, was it ever produced with black synthetic furniture? Greg-Z (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- I think the first AK could be Arsenal AR-M1F, though it seems to have a slightly different muzzle. --CnC Fin (talk) 05:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- As it seems to me, the magazine of screen AK is different from the version, used on Arsenal models. Greg-Z (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- Ah, there we are - I agree that it is an Arsenal, the furniture and receiver match. I agree with it just being an odd/custom flash hider. The mag is not standard but could probably just be an aftermarket version. StanTheMan (talk) 13:26, 21 February 2016 (EST)
- As it seems to me, the magazine of screen AK is different from the version, used on Arsenal models. Greg-Z (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2016 (EST)