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== Captured Weapons Display == | == Captured Weapons Display == | ||
At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the two U.S. Army sergeants, they include: | At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the two U.S. Army sergeants, they include: | ||
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|400px|none|thumb|Captured Weapons Display]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 3.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Sergeant Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) standing next to the Captured Weapons Display]] | |||
== [[MAT-49]] | == MAT-49 == | ||
The '''[[MAT-49|MAT-49 sub machine gun]]''' was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62,, Tokarev round. | |||
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|300px|none|thumb|]] | [[Image:MAT-49.jpg|300px|none|thumb|French MAT-49 Sub Machine Gun - 9mm]] | ||
== | ==Thompson== | ||
Also seen on the board is what appears to be a stockless | Also seen on the board is what appears to be a stockless '''[[Thompson|M1A1 Thompson Sub Machine Gun]]'''. However this could have been a locally manufactured copy since the VC were, by all accounts, quite adept at manufacturing small arms to serve their needs (at least in the early days of the war). | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson Sub Machine Gun - .45 ACP]] | ||
== [[SKS Carbine]] | == SKS Carbine == | ||
The Russian '''[[SKS Carbine]]''' is also on display. | |||
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian SKS | [[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian SKS carbine - 7.62x39mm]] | ||
== [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43 | == PPsH-41 Submachine Gun == | ||
This ubiquitous Russian '''[[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPsH-41 Sub Machine Gun]]''' is also seen on the captured weapons display but, like the SKS above it could very well be a Chinese clone. | |||
:I haven't seen this movie in a couple years, but I specifically remember it being referred to as a Chinese copy of the PPSH. Not sure if that means the actual prop weapon used in the scene was of Chinese origin, of course. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] | :I haven't seen this movie in a couple years, but I specifically remember it being referred to as a Chinese copy of the PPSH. Not sure if that means the actual prop weapon used in the scene was of Chinese origin, of course. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] | ||
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[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPsH-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]] | [[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPsH-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]] | ||
== | == Mle 1892 Revolver == | ||
Though it is never clearly seen a revolver is displayed on the weapons board. Keeping in the theme of abandoned French weaponry it could very well have been ''St. Etienne Model 1892'' revolver in 8mm. | Though it is never clearly seen a revolver is displayed on the weapons board. Keeping in the theme of abandoned French weaponry it could very well have been ''St. Etienne Model 1892'' revolver in 8mm. | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Mle 1892.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Mle 1892 Revolver - 8 x 27mm]] | ||
== | == Unknown Semi-Auto Pistol == | ||
Another weapon on the board is a small (relative to the other weapons) semi-automatic pistol. | Another weapon on the board is a small (relative to the other weapons) semi-automatic pistol. | ||
[[Image:TGB 2.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Unknown Pistol on board]] | |||
== | == Browning Over & Under Shotgun == | ||
The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with [[John Wayne]](and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at ''Fort Benning'' Georgia where the film was shot) uses an | The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with [[John Wayne]](and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at ''Fort Benning'' Georgia where the film was shot) uses an Browning over-under shotgun. | ||
[[Image:Gb2.JPG|400px|none|thumb|]] | [[Image:Gb2.JPG|400px|none|thumb|]] | ||
== | ==Remington Model 1100 == | ||
[[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|400px|none|thumb|]] | [[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|400px|none|thumb|Remington Model 1100 - 12 Gauge]] | ||
Wayne uses | Wayne uses a Remington Model 1100 semi-auto shotgun while shooting skeet. | ||
[[Image:Gb3.JPG| | [[Image:Gb3.JPG|400px|none|thumb|John Wayne loading a [[Remington 1100|Remington Model 1100 Shotgun]]]] | ||
== | ==XM16E1 Rifle== | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16E1 Rifle - 5.56mm]] | ||
In real life the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the M-16 in combat. In the movie Wayne's ''troops'' carry | In real life the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the M-16 in combat. In the movie Wayne's ''troops'' carry a XM16E1 rifles noted by the presence of a forward bolt assist with the early model three prong flash suppressor. | ||
[[Image:Gb5.JPG|none|thumb|300px|]] | [[Image:Gb5.JPG|none|thumb|300px|Green Beret holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]]]] | ||
[[Image:TGB 23.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Col.Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the Mike Force armed with [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifles]]]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 31.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]] while watching Skyhook. ]] | |||
Later in the movie Wayne is seen dramatically smashing one of his men's M-16 against a tree after he is killed fighting 3 VC on his own. Thing is, if you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen. | Later in the movie Wayne is seen dramatically smashing one of his men's M-16 against a tree after he is killed fighting 3 VC on his own. Thing is, if you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen. | ||
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[[Image:Gb9.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Wayne smashing his fallen comrade's 'M16 rifle' making it useless to Vietcong's if they ever got a grip of it.]] | [[Image:Gb9.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Wayne smashing his fallen comrade's 'M16 rifle' making it useless to Vietcong's if they ever got a grip of it.]] | ||
== | ==M60D Machine Gun== | ||
This | This is a '''[[M60 machine gun|M60D machine gun]]''' with spade grips mount in the Huey Helicopter for the crew chief and door gunner. | ||
[[Image:TGB 8.jpg|none|thumb|400px|UH-1 "Huey" Helicopter armed with [[M60 machine gun|M60D machine gun]] in the door]] | |||
[[ | ==M60C Machine Guns mounted in M-6E3 Weapons System == | ||
This system, consisting of two double sets of [[M60 machine gun|M60C machine guns]] mounted above 8 shot rocket pods is seen attached to a UH-1 "Huey" (probably a C or D model) gunship in the movie. | |||
[[Image:TGB 10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]] | |||
[[Image:Gb4.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Crew doing final adjustments to the M-6E3 Weapons System with [[M60 machine gun|M60C machine guns]]]] | |||
== Browning M2 Aircraft == | |||
Seen mounted on tripods throughout the A Camp is this aircraft version of the venerable [[Browning M2]] easily denoted by the full length ventilated barrel shroud. The reason for using the M2 Aircraft version on film was the ease of blank conversion compared to the M2 Heavy Barrel ground gun. | Seen mounted on tripods throughout the A Camp is this aircraft version of the venerable [[Browning M2]] easily denoted by the full length ventilated barrel shroud. The reason for using the M2 Aircraft version on film was the ease of blank conversion compared to the M2 Heavy Barrel ground gun. | ||
[[Image:M2aircraft.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2 Aircraft]] | [[Image:M2aircraft.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2 Aircraft - .50 cal]] | ||
[[Image:Gb6.JPG|thumb|none| | [[Image:Gb6.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Sergeant Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) standing over a [[Browning M2|Browning M2 Aircraft Machine Gun]]]] | ||
== [[ | ==M30 4.2 inch Mortar== | ||
[[Image:TGB 13.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sergeant Peterson ([[Jim Hutton]]) and crew manning a [[M30 Mortar|M30 4.2 inch Mortar]]]] | |||
== Browning 1919A4 Machine Gun == | |||
Also used in the defense of the A Camp is this classic general purpose machine gun. | Also used in the defense of the A Camp is this classic general purpose machine gun. | ||
[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|300px]] | [[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|300px]] | ||
[[Image:Gb12.JPG|400px|thumb|none| | [[Image:Gb12.JPG|400px|thumb|none|''Note the M1919 in the upper right corner of the pic'']] | ||
[[Image:TGB 14.jpg|thumb|none|400px|ARVN Striker firing a [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]]]] | |||
''Note the M1919 in the upper right corner of the pic'' | [[Image:TGB 19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Green Beret firing a [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun]]]] | ||
== | == GE M134 Minigun == | ||
Seen in the interior of ''Puff The Magic Dragon'' (a name bestowed on most early USAF gunships) are a pair of these devastating weapons. | Seen in the interior of ''Puff The Magic Dragon'' (a name bestowed on most early USAF gunships) are a pair of these devastating weapons. | ||
[[Image:Minigun2.jpg|400px|none|thumb|]] | [[Image:Minigun2.jpg|400px|none|thumb|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm]] | ||
[[Image:Gb8.JPG|400px|none|thumb|]] | [[Image:Gb8.JPG|400px|none|thumb|A Pair of [[GE M134 Minigun|GE M134 Miniguns]] firing form a AC47 Gunship]] | ||
== [[M79 grenade launcher]] == | == [[M79 grenade launcher]] == | ||
Glimpsed briefly (though never actually fired) in the movie is one of the U.S.'s more reliable light support weapons. | Glimpsed briefly (though never actually fired) in the movie is one of the U.S.'s more reliable light support weapons. | ||
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 Grenade Launcher - 40mm]] | [[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 Grenade Launcher - 40mm]] | ||
[[Image:Gb7.JPG|none|thumb| | [[Image:Gb7.JPG|none|thumb|400px|Strike Team member carrying a [[M79 grenade launcher]]]] | ||
[[Image:TGB 32.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Green Beret carrying a [[M79 grenade launcher]]]] | |||
== | ==M1 Carbine == | ||
Seen mainly in the hands of the ''ARVN'' troopers as well as the U.S. Navy "''Seabees''" is this lightweight U.S. rifle although some are seen being carried by the ''VC''. | Seen mainly in the hands of the ''ARVN'' troopers as well as the U.S. Navy "''Seabees''" is this lightweight U.S. rifle although some are seen being carried by the ''VC''. | ||
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine | [[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late Model M1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]] | ||
[[Image:Gb15.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]] | [[Image:Gb15.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]] | ||
[[Image:TGB 15.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Viet Cong carying [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbines]]]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Mike Force soldier with [[M1 Carbine]] assisting the evacuation]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 29.jpg|thumb|none|400px|George Beckworth ([[David Janssen]]) holding [[M1 Carbine]]]] | |||
== | == M1 Garand == | ||
Seen in the hands of the ''ARVN'' troops as well as some ''VC'' is the all time classic U.S. battle rifle. | Seen in the hands of the ''ARVN'' troops as well as some ''VC'' is the all time classic U.S. battle rifle. | ||
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 | [[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Rifle - .30-06]] | ||
[[Image:Gb10.JPG|none|thumb|400px|]] | [[Image:Gb10.JPG|none|thumb|400px|Mike Force Honor Guards with [[M1 Garand|M1 Rifles]]]] | ||
[[Image:TGB 7.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Mike Force Honor Guards with [[M1 Garand|M1 Rifles]]]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 17.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Strike Team member carrying a [[M1 Garand|M1 Rifle]]]] | |||
==M14 Rifle== | |||
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 Rifle - 7.62x51mm]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 20.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 21.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Viet Cong charging the camp with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 22.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Mike Force soldier with [[M14 Rifle]] assisting the evacuation]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 33.jpg|none|thumb|400px|US Soldiers arriving in Vietnam with [[M14 Rifle|M14 Rifles]]]] | |||
==Tanker Garand== | |||
[[Image:TGB 24.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Mike Force soldier with Tanker Garand assisting the evacuation]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 25.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Mike Force soldier with Tanker Garand assisting the evacuation]] | |||
==Mauser Gew98 Rifle== | |||
[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser Gew 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 28.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Mike Force soldier carrying a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Mauser Gew98 Rifle]] after the battle]] | |||
==Mauser K98k Rifle== | |||
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k 98 Rifle - 7.92x57mm]] | |||
[[Image:TGB 30.jpg|none|thumb|400px|NVA Regular soldiers grabbing their [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser K98k Rifles]]]] | |||
== [[M18A1 Claymore]] == | == [[M18A1 Claymore]] == | ||
This standard (and extremely devastating) U.S. anti-personnel mine makes a brief appearance in the film though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its' blue coloring. | This standard (and extremely devastating) U.S. anti-personnel mine makes a brief appearance in the film though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its' blue coloring. | ||
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|315px|]] | |||
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb| | [[Image:Gb11.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]] | ||
[[Image:Gb11.JPG|thumb| | |||
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Revision as of 10:29, 21 March 2009
This John Wayne film has the distinction of being one of the few movies made about the Vietnam War while the war was actually going on. It also has the somewhat more dubious honour of being the only (somewhat) pro-Vietnam War film of the era.
It should be noted that, other than the "captured weapons display", there is no explicit section discussing "enemy" weapons due to the fact that this movie was actually filmed at Fort Benning Georgia in the U.S. and a great many of the VC were actually U.S. army personnel hired as extras. In addition, at the time, Eastern bloc weapons were not as readily available to U.S. movie makers as they are today so, undoubtedly, the producers had to make do with what they had.
Captured Weapons Display
At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the two U.S. Army sergeants, they include:
MAT-49
The MAT-49 sub machine gun was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62,, Tokarev round.
Thompson
Also seen on the board is what appears to be a stockless M1A1 Thompson Sub Machine Gun. However this could have been a locally manufactured copy since the VC were, by all accounts, quite adept at manufacturing small arms to serve their needs (at least in the early days of the war).
SKS Carbine
The Russian SKS Carbine is also on display.
PPsH-41 Submachine Gun
This ubiquitous Russian PPsH-41 Sub Machine Gun is also seen on the captured weapons display but, like the SKS above it could very well be a Chinese clone.
- I haven't seen this movie in a couple years, but I specifically remember it being referred to as a Chinese copy of the PPSH. Not sure if that means the actual prop weapon used in the scene was of Chinese origin, of course. -MT2008
I remember it being refered as the "ChiCom K50 submachine gun". User:Cutaway
Mle 1892 Revolver
Though it is never clearly seen a revolver is displayed on the weapons board. Keeping in the theme of abandoned French weaponry it could very well have been St. Etienne Model 1892 revolver in 8mm.
Unknown Semi-Auto Pistol
Another weapon on the board is a small (relative to the other weapons) semi-automatic pistol.
Browning Over & Under Shotgun
The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with John Wayne(and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at Fort Benning Georgia where the film was shot) uses an Browning over-under shotgun.
Remington Model 1100
Wayne uses a Remington Model 1100 semi-auto shotgun while shooting skeet.
XM16E1 Rifle
In real life the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the M-16 in combat. In the movie Wayne's troops carry a XM16E1 rifles noted by the presence of a forward bolt assist with the early model three prong flash suppressor.
Later in the movie Wayne is seen dramatically smashing one of his men's M-16 against a tree after he is killed fighting 3 VC on his own. Thing is, if you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a Mattel M-16 Marauder, a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen.
M60D Machine Gun
This is a M60D machine gun with spade grips mount in the Huey Helicopter for the crew chief and door gunner.
M60C Machine Guns mounted in M-6E3 Weapons System
This system, consisting of two double sets of M60C machine guns mounted above 8 shot rocket pods is seen attached to a UH-1 "Huey" (probably a C or D model) gunship in the movie.
Browning M2 Aircraft
Seen mounted on tripods throughout the A Camp is this aircraft version of the venerable Browning M2 easily denoted by the full length ventilated barrel shroud. The reason for using the M2 Aircraft version on film was the ease of blank conversion compared to the M2 Heavy Barrel ground gun.
M30 4.2 inch Mortar
Browning 1919A4 Machine Gun
Also used in the defense of the A Camp is this classic general purpose machine gun.
GE M134 Minigun
Seen in the interior of Puff The Magic Dragon (a name bestowed on most early USAF gunships) are a pair of these devastating weapons.
M79 grenade launcher
Glimpsed briefly (though never actually fired) in the movie is one of the U.S.'s more reliable light support weapons.
M1 Carbine
Seen mainly in the hands of the ARVN troopers as well as the U.S. Navy "Seabees" is this lightweight U.S. rifle although some are seen being carried by the VC.
M1 Garand
Seen in the hands of the ARVN troops as well as some VC is the all time classic U.S. battle rifle.
M14 Rifle
Tanker Garand
Mauser Gew98 Rifle
Mauser K98k Rifle
M18A1 Claymore
This standard (and extremely devastating) U.S. anti-personnel mine makes a brief appearance in the film though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its' blue coloring.