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:: Totally agree that the PPK isn't suitable for the kind of adventures Bond get himself into. Real life secret agents use them precisely because they are NOT like bond. They don't shoot often and need maximum discretion. Bond practically announces himself everywhere he goes and shoots very often. As for the ASP, its design has become too dated, and there are many other firearms that can replace it. The Glock 26, Walther CCP, Beretta Px4 Storm, Sig P938, etc. are all excellent compact designs in 9mm with good firepower. Some of them even have nice flowing lines to boot. But for serious gunfighters, they will probably use a larger pistol such as the P99 or Glock 19.
:: Totally agree that the PPK isn't suitable for the kind of adventures Bond get himself into. Real life secret agents use them precisely because they are NOT like bond. They don't shoot often and need maximum discretion. Bond practically announces himself everywhere he goes and shoots very often. As for the ASP, its design has become too dated, and there are many other firearms that can replace it. The Glock 26, Walther CCP, Beretta Px4 Storm, Sig P938, etc. are all excellent compact designs in 9mm with good firepower. Some of them even have nice flowing lines to boot. But for serious gunfighters, they will probably use a larger pistol such as the P99 or Glock 19.


It’s odd that they bought the PPK back in Quantum of Solace. Just about all the Bond movies from 1995’s GoldenEye onwards have a tendency to have some character ''(*cough* Judi Dench *cough* M *cough*)'' remind that Bond - and the audience - that cold war is over. Considering that Skyfall had pretty hefty symbolism with “death of Bond” in the beginning and the destruction of the iconic Aston Martin from Goldfinger in the end, pretty much telling that the old Bond is dead and it’s time to finally start a new era. So with all that telling that “cold war is over and it’s a new age” BS, why are they still making him stick with that ''cold war'' - '''''hell, World War II''''' – relic after all this? I say; if they want to rise out of the dumps of cold war, Bond needs to get rid of the PPK. It’s the last thing keeping him from getting over his roots. '''''His post Eisenhower vs Khrushchev era Cold War roots.''''' [[User:TrickShotFinn|TrickShotFinn]] ([[User talk:TrickShotFinn|talk]]) 13:18, 28 February 2015 (EST)
It’s odd that they bought the PPK back in Quantum of Solace. Just about all the Bond movies from 1995’s GoldenEye onwards have a tendency to have some character ''(*cough* Judi Dench *cough* M *cough*)'' remind that Bond - and the audience - that cold war is over. Considering that Skyfall had pretty hefty symbolism with “death of Bond” in the beginning and the destruction of the iconic Aston Martin from Goldfinger in the end, pretty much telling that the old Bond is dead and it’s time to finally start a new era. So with all that telling that “cold war is over and it’s a new age” BS, why are they still making him stick with that ''cold war'' - '''''hell, World War II''''' – relic after all this? I say; if they want to rise out of the nostalgic dumps of cold war, Bond needs to get rid of the PPK. It’s the last thing keeping him from getting over his roots. '''''His post Eisenhower vs Khrushchev era Cold War roots.''''' [[User:TrickShotFinn|TrickShotFinn]] ([[User talk:TrickShotFinn|talk]]) 13:18, 28 February 2015 (EST)

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Already?!

Isn't it a bit early to have this page up, to my knowledge no official images from the set have been shown so we have no clue what weapons will be included, until closer to the release --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 02:41, 01 February 2015 (GMT)

I agree, if there are no actual (and legitimate) firearm-showing images that can be posted, making a page is premature and unnecessary. I'm quite sure the admins will concur. I've marked the page for deletion - IF there are images that just haven't been put up yet, I'll take the {{nuke}} tag off, but if not, well I think deletion is appropriate, as save for the poster image (which I'm sure will be archived here), there's pretty much nothing on it anyway. StanTheMan (talk) 22:00, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Sorry for being an uber noob but what is the proper way to post a reply? I sincerely apologize for making a mess of things today. Anyway, there are indeed images of Daniel Craig wielding what appears to be a Walther P99 which is why I decided to create the page. Here is an image: http://www.jamesbondbrasil.com/wp-content/gallery/sp_aus_150115/jbbr_spectre_obertilliach_150115_foto_daniel_raunig_003.jpg Andrewj28

And we're not allowed to use unauthorized behind-the-scenes photos. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:37, 31 January 2015 (EST)
There was no content on the page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2015 (EST)
On a side note tho, I'm glad they're going back to the P99, the regression way back to the PPK in the last film seemed odd to me --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 04:19, 01 February 2015 (GMT)
What makes an image authorized or unauthorized? --Andrewj28
If it's an officially released behind-the-scenes photo, like on an official website, then it's fine. If it's some extra on set taking photos on his phone, then it's not. --Funkychinaman (talk) 02:49, 1 February 2015 (EST)
This would be authorized. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:08, 12 February 2015 (EST)
A promotional image was released today, alongside a BTS video, of Craig holding a Heckler & Koch VP9. Looks like SPECTRE is going to be the first film to feature the VP9. By the way, in the video, as Craig fires the VP9, it looks like the slide isn't moving, even though the gun still emits a muzzle flash. --Warejaws (talk) 08:45, 12 February 2015 (EST)
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A promotional still of Daniel Craig holding a Heckler & Koch VP9 as James Bond in SPECTRE.
Because it's directly after disarming a bad guy in the sequence it could be a stunt prop like the old flash paper guns. --cool-breeze (talk) 07:48, 13 February 2015 (EST)

An image in the latest issue of Empire magazine features a photo of Mr. Hinx pointing what appears to be a AF2011 Dueller Prismatic. Can anyone else verify? Here is a shot from the magazine. Here is the image isolated. Andrewj28 (talk) 03:27, 26 February 2015 (EST)

I'm pretty sure it is; similar rear sight, barrels and the side rails. --CnC Fin (talk) 04:02, 26 February 2015 (EST)
Wow, I never expected to see one of those in a movie. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:20, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Hi guys, It's been a really long time since my last contribution, here I've uploaded for you a couple pictures :-) http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Bautista_Spectre_AF2011-A1.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AF2011-A1.jpg

I'll leave to you the honor of putting them in the article :-) --Purifier

Thanks for the images, added them to the page. On a side note, what a god awful monstrosity! --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2015 (GMT)
For the times when you just can't have two separate pistols :D --CnC Fin (talk) 14:10, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Two new screenshots from today's video blog. Another shot of the AF2011 and Bond with a PPK or PPK/S Andrewj28 (talk) 16:25, 26 February 2015 (EST)

PPK

For crying out loud, enough with the PPK already! --Warejaws (talk) 16:39, 26 February 2015 (EST)

The 007 connection is arguably the only reason why the PPK is still in production, right? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:47, 26 February 2015 (EST)
Agreed, never seen the PPK as more than a backup weapon, they started to go in the right direction with the P99 in Tomorrow Never Dies onwards, and even more in the right direction by having him carry a Sig Quantum of Solace, even if it was one he captured and not actually issued to him, would like to see them leave the PPK behind and issue him with a Sig permanently. I honestly think they won't do it because all the fans of "Classic Bond" will have a god damn conniption fit that things are changing, and cry that they will boycott the films until the PPK makes a return. --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 22:20, 26 February 2015 (GMT)
The man's still a secret agent, and he has to carry something that won't print while wearing a tailored suit. That said, I'm surprised Walther hasn't pushed the PPS on the franchise yet. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2015 (EST)
Yeah in situations like going under cover in a party I can understand it, but there have been time he has gone into full engagements with the PPK, which isn't exactly the best idea. - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 00:58, 27 February 2015 (GMT)
Do we beat up on 007's horrible choice of weapons every time a new Bond film comes out, or did it just start with Skyfall? --Mandolin (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2015 (EST)
I normally like to have a little moan before every release, but this is my first one on this website, usually it's just me and my friends, good times - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 03:17, 27 February 2015 (GMT)

While I don't mind a little change for a good reason, change for the sake of change is hardly a good thing. And for me, that was all the switch to the P99 was. The PPK has its merits for who and what Bond is, more than that though, it's iconic, part of what makes 007 as we've seen and known him. Changing that just for sake of having something different would be a mistake. It'd be like switching Dirty Harry's Model 29 for a .357 Snub, even though there's more an argument for the change and less for keeping it the same, in terms of practicality as opposed to Bond's PPK. Again, it's a part of the franchise, the gun is as much a character as Bond himself in that regard. StanTheMan (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Walther does not have any real pull on the Bond franchise.Craig's suits in the film aren't even fitte for a gun. a still from Skyfall's gunfight in the Instanbul square shows Craig's shoulder holster printing badly. Frankly,if we look at Craig's gunfights in his Bond films, the weapon his Bond does best with is the Glock 17 in Skyfall, and one handed at that. It seems as if Bond&Co. have had a gun pick up brand in each of the Craig films:Browning HP,Sig P226in QOS,and the Glock in Skyfall. At least Craig's Bond picks up loose guns :)--Tecolote (talk) 02:54, 27 February 2015 (EST)

Besides with an IWB holster it is even easier to hide a compact or even a full size pistol under a suit jacket, but ideally you don't wanna be grabbing any which pistol from the ground to use, if he was to take a pistol that suits the situation better (ideally one that holds more than 8-10 rounds), he wouldn't have to be grabbing pistols that are kept in god knows what condition off hapless chumps, and then have less risk of the weapon jamming on him and taking a hollow point between the eyes, (and yes I know that wouldn't happen because this is a movie, but in reality you'd be surprised how many idiots don't clean there weapons on a regular basis, once had a friend whose Hi-Power wouldn't even cycle because of all the crap inside it, he had to manually work the slide after every shot and he had no idea why) - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 14:49, 27 February 2015 (GMT)

We all know why it has to have a PPK. It's so iconic that you can't have a Bond spy movie without the PPK. It' pretty much a sin. Yeah for a modern day practical purposes, he should have other guns. In one of the books, his favorite is actually the ASP Excalibur01 (talk) 15:12, 27 February 2015 (EST)

The ASP is arguably worse than the PPK. Sure its 9x19, but it doesn't really have sights and spare parts will be impossible to come by. Why can't British writers do guns decently?--Mandolin (talk) 19:06, 27 February 2015 (EST)
Totally agree that the PPK isn't suitable for the kind of adventures Bond get himself into. Real life secret agents use them precisely because they are NOT like bond. They don't shoot often and need maximum discretion. Bond practically announces himself everywhere he goes and shoots very often. As for the ASP, its design has become too dated, and there are many other firearms that can replace it. The Glock 26, Walther CCP, Beretta Px4 Storm, Sig P938, etc. are all excellent compact designs in 9mm with good firepower. Some of them even have nice flowing lines to boot. But for serious gunfighters, they will probably use a larger pistol such as the P99 or Glock 19.

It’s odd that they bought the PPK back in Quantum of Solace. Just about all the Bond movies from 1995’s GoldenEye onwards have a tendency to have some character (*cough* Judi Dench *cough* M *cough*) remind that Bond - and the audience - that cold war is over. Considering that Skyfall had pretty hefty symbolism with “death of Bond” in the beginning and the destruction of the iconic Aston Martin from Goldfinger in the end, pretty much telling that the old Bond is dead and it’s time to finally start a new era. So with all that telling that “cold war is over and it’s a new age” BS, why are they still making him stick with that cold war - hell, World War II – relic after all this? I say; if they want to rise out of the nostalgic dumps of cold war, Bond needs to get rid of the PPK. It’s the last thing keeping him from getting over his roots. His post Eisenhower vs Khrushchev era Cold War roots. TrickShotFinn (talk) 13:18, 28 February 2015 (EST)

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