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::: Bah, I didn't catch that you referenced an anime - If there IS something the weapon may have appeared in, that's another story entirely. I didn't see that, so my mistake there. That said, again, still not sure if there is an example for MPM to photograph, but I guess he should answer that. Otherwise, well, the site usually refrains from using pictures elsewhere on the net, mainly because they're usually jacked and belonging to someone else and using them on here could cause problems. But if it's all that's presently available, maybe. You'd have to check with the admins. So I'll quit yakkin and let them weigh in. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:41, 29 April 2014 (EDT) | ::: Bah, I didn't catch that you referenced an anime - If there IS something the weapon may have appeared in, that's another story entirely. I didn't see that, so my mistake there. That said, again, still not sure if there is an example for MPM to photograph, but I guess he should answer that. Otherwise, well, the site usually refrains from using pictures elsewhere on the net, mainly because they're usually jacked and belonging to someone else and using them on here could cause problems. But if it's all that's presently available, maybe. You'd have to check with the admins. So I'll quit yakkin and let them weigh in. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:41, 29 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
::::Thanks :) The anime in question is [[Stella Women's Academy, High School Division Class C³|Stella C³-bu]] (which is about airsoft), and the replica in question is Tokyo Marui's G36KA2 (I just realized that they actually call it an A2), which I linked up above. It features SEF markings (per German Army), the A2 3x/rail combo, and the new A2 handguards, though it doesn't have the C-length stock. However every single picture I've found online of the real G36A2, without exception, all still have standard length stocks, so I wouldn't count that against it. I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out a picture of some kind, but I'm going to fix the entry on that page. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:05, 30 April 2014 (EDT) | ::::Thanks :) The anime in question is [[Stella Women's Academy, High School Division Class C³|Stella C³-bu]] (which is about airsoft), and the replica in question is Tokyo Marui's G36KA2 (I just realized that they actually call it an A2), which I linked up above. It features SEF markings (per German Army), the A2 3x/rail combo, and the new A2 handguards, though it doesn't have the C-length stock. However every single picture I've found online of the real G36A2, without exception, all still have standard length stocks, so I wouldn't count that against it. I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out a picture of some kind, but I'm going to fix the entry on that page. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:05, 30 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
== VHS-2 == | |||
[[Image:VHS-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|VHS-2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | |||
Here's the VHS-2, a croatian assault rifle manufactured by HS Produkt. It is most likely not a variant of the G36, but it uses G36 magazines. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:34, 20 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
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Additional Variants
Question
Just a Question about the SL8, it seems silly, but is it integrally suppressed?
- Revolver, not at all silly question, but no. None of the SL8s have integral silencers. They have heavy barrels but I have never seen one outfitted to take a silencer either. The three SL8 Variants you see on the page are my personal guns, so I am just working from that. ;) There may be variations somewhere that I don't know about, but I can assure you that such a modification is a custom aftermarket modification. MoviePropMaster2008 09:35, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- As far as I know, the only Heckler & Koch weapon that comes with a silencer from the factory is the Heckler & Koch MP5SD submachine gun. Orca1 9904 08:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- In the NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service episode "Rule Fifty-One," NCIS Special Agent Ziva David used a suppressed SL8. How on Earth did she get an SL8 that had a threaded barrel?--L.J. Gibbs 03:42, 12 March 2011 (MSK)
I don't know if this counts as integrally suppressed, but on HKPRO.COM, there is something advertised as the SL9-SD. http://www.hkpro.com/sl9sd.htm (Here is a little better description of the SL-9-SD (http://www.hksystems.com.au/rifles/SL9SD%20Whisper.htm). (Paladin308)
Kinda reminds me of the suppressed sniper rifle in Far Cry: Instincts. hkpro.com is also a good site for pics/info pertaining to hk products, btw.
- Cool! It looks neat. It's an SL8 with a threaded barrel for their suppressor. Other than the addition of a PSG-01 style trigger, I don't see much of a difference, except they did not subdue the "bright red" HK logos on the stocks. I may have to convert one of my SL8 rifles to that configuration. ;) MoviePropMaster2008 07:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Could a G36 take the role of a Designated Marksman Rifle, if the Designated Marksman lost it rifle. in a story im writing for fun a former Designated Marksman use a G36 as his main rifle, and carys is Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle for sharpshooting. I was wounding if it was a good chose REX095
Probably. Any semi-automatic weapon that can take an optic can be a DMR, as long as it has greater accuracy than a standard model; I'd probably have him use a Springfield M1A Match instead of the G36, because it's basically a civilian model of the M14 with around the same inherent accuracy. It's semi-auto only, but a DMR isn't exactly going to use a full-auto weapon either, so it works out.
- Why would one take an M1A and a Mark 14 into battle at the same time? That makes no sense because doing so wouldn't provide any kind of advantage as you'd have two weapons that are of the same basic classification. What Rex095 is asking is if a G36 (his character's primary defensive weapon) can take over the role of DMR if his EBR (his marksman rifle, which itself is selectable between semi-automatic and full automatic) goes down. Rex, as the guy above me said, any semi-auto rifle can perform in a limited DMR role, but accuracy is likely going to be sub-par compared to a dedicated DMR. If your character has the resources, equip his G36 with a heavier barrel (e.g., an MG36 barrel) which will give better accuracy than a standard G36 barrel in case the EBR goes down and it's needed to fulfill the DMR role. Spartan198 04:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
G36C
- Why is this gun in just about every new action movie and video game that feature large amounts of gunplay? I'm getting tired of seeing this gun and wonder why there are barely any other of the G36 series in movies and video games-S&Wshooter 00:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Why is it I hear lots of "I'm tired of (insert fairly new weapon here) when no one ever says "I'm tired of seeing those M4s. Theyre in every new action movie and video game and I'm sick of it" when that last statement is actually true? S&W, I don't know about you, but I don't see the G36C as much as many many other kinds of weapons. Personally I'm getting very sick of seeing overly-upgraded M4 or M16 rifles and all the Beretta 92-like guns going around out there. I think seeing more of the G36 family would be a refreshing change. Any other gun that deserves more attention would be nice. Where are all the Mk. 46s and the REC-7s? I've only seen those in R6V2 and if you ask me were misrepresented terribly. And am I the only one upset over losing the G36 in MW2? I was hoping for the full size version.
I like seeing more gun variety in movies and games, so as long as it makes some sense (i.e., not stuff like random street thugs in Predator 2 pulling out Steyr AUGs). Contrary to what some naive or misinformed souls may believe, Colt is not "teh ownly gun manufacturer wurth showing" on screen or in games, and not everyone uses a M16 or an M4 or an AK-47. The G36 is a perfectly good gun to round out the arsenal on screen or in games.
By the same token:
-The FN P90 is not the only PDW/Armour-piercing SMG worth showing on screen or in games--the MP7 and SR-3 Vikhr or the OTs-14 Groza are both perfectly suitable for the same role.
-M60s and M249 SAWs are not the only light machine guns that are effective or useful--PKMs, MG36s, QBB-95s, or even older ones like the MG42 are perfectly viable and useful.
The firearms industry has always been fiercely competitive and people from different factions often use different weapons in real life. More gun variety in games usually means more possible playstyles available and less of a chance that someone will get bored looking at the same gun all the time. For instance, despite the ejection ports being in the wrong places and the reliability factors largely in favour of Warsaw pact weapons vs. NATO weapons, STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl's gun selection was good for both the variety and the various playstyles it encouraged.
Hopefully movie armourers and game developers will put in more reasonable gun variety in those two media forms. Even in real life I highly doubt any one firearms company will end up establishing an unbreakable monopoly, forcing gun monotony on us all. Mazryonh 02:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
-- GOD, I hated Infinity Ward for taking the G36C out of MW2, as I am a HUGE G36 fan. But to your point, Mazryonh: Weapons like the Remington ACR, HK G36, IMI Tavor, HK MP7, FNH F2000... Newer, more modern weapons like these don't see NEARLY enough movie use.
The way I see it, when it comes down to it, you have these as perhaps the 10 most cliched weapons in the media (not in any particular order):
1: M16/M4 Assault Rifle series
2: Beretta 92FS
3: Franchi SPAS-12
4: HK MP5A3
5: FNH P90 PDW
6: FNH M249 S.A.W.
7: Glock Safe-Action Pistols (Any model, but the 18 is the most cliched, no doubt about it)
8: Desert Eagle (Models VII and XIX)
9: Steyr AUG A1
10: Saco Defense M60
With the exception of the Desert Eagle (Gotta love it), we've seen and re-seen these guns WAY too much if you ask me, but no one ever complains about it. WTF is up with that?
On the other end of the spectrum, you have some firearms that need to see more use (also not in any particular order):
1: HK G36 Assault Rifle series
2: Remington ACR
3: FNH F2000
4: IMI Tavor
5: HK MP7A1
6: Steyr AUG A3
7: M14 (Both the Original and the Mk. 14 EBR as well)
8: Saiga 20K (PGO)
9: TDI Vector
10: FNH M249 S.P.W.
Sorry if this got a bit long, but I just wanted to put it out there.
--GamerfreakB7--Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
We don't see a lot of the "newer" guns like the ACR, TDI Vector or the ACR because I don't think any armorer has them yet. A Canadian armorer that did Resident Evil Apocalypse had a couple Tavors, 24 showed the MP7s and F2000. It's just that you have to look at the armorers. They can't have every single gun in their collection. Excalibur01 05:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
The weird thing about the Beretta 92 is that no one ever seems to have a Beretta 90-two, in the newer games/films.
- Claire uses a 90-Two in Resident Evil: Afterlife and the 90-Two is the most common handgun in Heavy Rain.
Also, I've never seen a Steyr M9/A1 in ANY film. Even in Fringe, they just used the Five-seveN as a futuristic stand-in; the world is supposed to be like ours, except different. The Steyr looks superficially like the Glock, but it has pretty out-there sights and is pretty different externally when you look at it up close.
And about the Saiga, I don't think I've seen a Saiga sporter (the original model from which the Saiga-20K is derived) in any film either.
I totally agree, when they next make a game about US soldiers in combat, they should give them all G36s, ACRs, Vektors, HK45s, and PSG1s even though they don't use them in the real world simply because the "old guns" are cliched *rolls eyes*. But, seriously, I am all for variety, but that variety needs to be sensible. LAPD SWAT or US Army SF suddenly appearing with Tavors or XM8s wouldn't make a lick of sense. Spartan198 05:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Unless a choice of gun makes up an important aspect of a character a gun is not a cliche. "Stay frosty" or the butler being the murderer are cliches, someone carrying a Beretta or a Colt is not a cliche.--Mr-Jigsaw 08:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind seeing more of the UMP, I haven't see much of that. That's One Angry Duck 22:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- the FN F2000 tactical is starting to turn up more in show
Reliability?
Is the G36 reliable when put through mud, water,and dirt(ex Ak-47, HK416)? or does it face similar problems the M16 family faces?
The H&K 416 is basically a G36 operating system in an AR-15. So yeah, it is reliable in those conditions. The XM8 rifle was just a revamped G36, and it topped the 416's reliability by more than 200 rounds.
Thank you for responding, also does this apply to other assualt rifles of this era too?
I don't know about the fifty-plus other assault rifles (I only really know about the main ones and some irregular ones like the Vektor CR-21), but the newer H&K models are mostly based on the G36. It's the same relationship as the G3 on contemporary models (PSG1, etc), you know?
It even beat FN SCAR as it barely beated 416
I heard about this and it really changed my opinion of this weapons system. http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120401-41697.html --Charon68 20:19, 30 April 2012 (CDT)
- How so, most assault rifles heat up and loose accuracy if one puts several hundred rounds through them rapidly. That is what makes the difference between a light machine gun, witch often use heavier barrels to prolong accurate fire, and an assault rifle, which is often lighter but not really designed for prolonged continuous fire. Dover500 10:05, 1 May 2012 (CDT)
Just wondering
Does the G36C see any action at all in either american or british special forces? ---P226 21:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
im not quite shure about the american special forces but yes it is actualy used by britsh speical forces not as heavaly as shown is movies and vidio games but is still a comon weapon in there arsenal --Armyguy277 23:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- I have never heard of either American or British SF carrying G36 variants. Both use AR-series rifles. It's possible they may have purchased some G36s, but that's irrelevant, because those guys purchase a little of everything. -MT2008 00:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Well maybe this is a better question... Does the G36C model have any use in the special forces comunity at all?, and does it have any conventional military use?---P226 21:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone on here is going to be able to tell you anything more accurate than what can be found on Wikipedia. It's not like any of us are in SF units. Assuming the Wikipedia article is accurate, the G36C seems to be used almost entirely by law enforcement at present. Whereas the M4 is pretty much the weapon-of-choice for every SF unit that is in good standing with the U.S. I would highly doubt that the G36C would be used by regular infantry, given that its barrel is too short for the engagement distances that infantry expect to face. -MT2008 21:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
S019 the standard british armed police response units and british airport security both have access to and utilise G36c's, thought these UK models are restiriced to semi automatic only. In most cases in airports when Ive seen a pair of officers one wiull be carrying an Mp5 with a 15 round mag and the other a G36 with a full 30 round mag. So there you have it --Captain Snikt 11:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- Mr. P226 specifically asked about military special forces (American and British). SO19 (now CO19) are not military SF. -MT2008 21:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
well i know the G36c is the standerd weapon on german special forces like GSG-9,Kommando Spezialkräfte and Fernspählehrkompanie 200 but like MT2008 said know one really knows --Armyguy277 21:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- Last I heard (on the HKPRO message board), the KSK traded in its G36s for HK416s a few years ago. I remember there was a picture of them training for deployment to Afghanistan while using 416s with 14.5" barrels that were all painted in desert camo. They allegedly wanted to buy M4s, but the Bundeswehr doesn't let them buy anything that isn't German-made. Also, it's still irrelevant because (as I told Captain Snikt) P226 asked about American and British special forces. -MT2008 21:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
no i was talking about his second comment --Armyguy277 22:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- what about Jordon's CT-71 Battalion, from what I have read it is a CT unit that is made up of Rangers, Paratroopers and Royal Guard members? (1 ) --129.89.179.105 23:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)(thePotShot)
Barrel lenghts
I'm pretty sure the standard G36 has a 20" barrel and the G36C has a 9" barrel but can anyone tell me the lengths of the other variants? I've heard people claim the G36K has a barrel anywhere from 12 to 16 inches long.
12.51" according to the HK website (Source). It also lists the G36 as 18.89" and the G36C as 8.97". The Wierd It 22:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Confused about SL8 variants
The title says it all. Below is something I found on the HKPRO forums (which agrees with wiki not that necessarily matters) that seems to disagree with how the rifles are numbered on this page.
SL8(no -#) Canada/Europe, gray, double stack mag, long sight rail w/iron sights. SL8-1 is US import, gray, single stack mag & receiver, long sight rail w/iron sights. SL8-4 is Canada/Europe, black, double stack mag, short sight rail. SL8-5 is Canada/Europe, black, double stack mag, long rail w/iron sights. SL8-6 is US import, black, single stack mag & receiver, short sight rail. "
Would it therefore be correct to say that of the 4 pictures on the main page, all of the first 3 are SL8-1's (as it is stated in the captions that the colour is aftermarket blacking) and the last one is an SL8-6 (If you go the HK-USA civilian sales page, it advertises a gun looking exactly like this as a SL8-6). Below is a pictures of what I believe to be an SL8-4 and SL8-5.
I haven't changed the page yet, as I thought I would check I had understood it right, as this is all based on about 15 minutes of googling. --commando552 19:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Muzzle Velocity
Hello! Could anyone tell me what's the muzzle velocity of both K and C variants of the G36? I only found MV of the standard G36 on HK's official website! Thanks.
Telling a Fake vs Real G36C
As a rule of thumb should I assume that if I see a G36C with a 1/2 full magazine that it is an airosoft replica? Just making sure as it seems all the airosoft replicas have 1/2 full magazines.--Gunkatas 18:18, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
- I think all the airsoft magazines I've ever seen were actually full (Just checking, you do know that bullets don't go all the way to the bottom of a magazine and that there needs to be space for the compressed spring at the bottom?). Have just counted in a TM magazine and there were 22 dummy bullets, but they don't go all the way to to top, there is room for about 4 or 5 more. Furthermore, an airsoft magazine is shorter than a real magazine, so add on a few more and that brings you to the full 30. A half empty magazine would be much harder for an airsoft gun, as you should then be able to see clear space through the partially uncompressed spring, rather than the gubbins for the BBs that is actually inside. --commando552 14:52, 3 August 2011 (CDT)
- There is a problem with this rule. The Airsoft G36 magazines fit perfectly into the REAL GUNS. The airsoft mags are commonly used as 'safety measures' when the director wants to see 'live rounds' in the translucent magazine for closeups. But no one swaps out an Airsoft gun for a real gun if the real gun is being used that day. For the record I've used Airsoft magazines with dummy round to photograph obviously REAL G36 guns (see pics). Hope this helps. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 02:40, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
- I have another question: It seems as though almost all real G36s that I see in movies/TV have darkened magazines - does this mean that the magazines are just empty, or do armorers tend to paint them over in order to prevent viewers from seeing how much ammunition is left in the mags? (This is also done with SIG SG550-series rifles.) -MT2008 (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
They paint them. While real G36 mags as well as HK's new Polymer STANAG magazines are not totally see through to prevent rounds gleaming from a flashlight, one can clearly see rounds and/or the follower and spring. While I'm not in the business, I assume they paint them so that one cannot see the amount of ammo left in the magazine. This is quite plausible as with a painted magazine, CGI muzzle flash can be added in, making the gun appear to fire when in reality the magazine is dry.
Also, an easy way to spot an airsoft G36 magazine is the color. Real HK magazines have a blue/teal-grey tint to them, depending on the lighting, and the rounds will not look very shiny in the magazine. Marui airsoft magazines on the other hand, will have a brownish yellow hue, and the rounds will be quite shiny, even through the plastic. GLOCK10mm (talk) 03:46, 16 August 2013 (EDT)
SL8 model Guide
Am just putting this in here as I have notice a different models getting confused with each other on several pages.
- SL8-2 is a rare prototype weapon made for the German Army that was fitted with G36 type sights and a bipod.
- Never heard of an SL8-3, if it exists it is a very rare version unlikely to appear.
First off, to definitely tell the variant you need to be able to see the right side of the rifle. If the magazine well along with the receiver below the ejection port is crimped in, then it is a US import version (SL8-1 or SL8-6) that can only take single stack magazines (10 round magazine protrudes out a few inches, aftermarket 20 round magazines are made which are longer than a G36 magazine). Apart from the colour of the plastic and the scope rail, the SL8-6 is exactly the same as the SL8-1. So much so, H&K used the same moulds to make the first run of the SL8-6 which resulted in the first SL8-6s being marked SL8-1. Current models of the SL8-6 are simply marked SL8.
If a rifle lacks the crimped magazine area, then it is a European/Canadian version of the Rifle. These use double stack magazines where only the baseplate of the mag protrudes from the weapon. These guns can take G36 magazines with only slight modification to the magazine (filing off a couple of ridges). The US-import versions can be converted to use G36 magazines but this requires extensive modification, including replacement of the magazine well, a new bolt head that will strip rounds from a double stack magazine, milling out of the crimped portion of the receiver and filling in this gap with epoxy.
Lastly, if the magazine of the weapon protrudes out a few centimetres before the baseplate then this is an Airsoft replica.--commando552 10:19, 8 August 2011 (CDT)
MG36
Technically, an MG36 is a G36 with a Beta C drum magazine and a bipod right? So all i have to do is take my normal, original G36, add a bipod and a Beta C drum mag, and it will be considered an MG36?--Gunner5
- The MG36 also had a heavier hand picked barrel (only thicker under the handguard so impossible to tell the difference), and possibly a newer version of the sight that was 3.5x but not sure if the last part is true. Bear in mind that nobody actually bought the MG36 so less than 100 were made. It was decided that the changes to the barrel did not make enough difference to warrant the cost of making different parts, and instead the Bundeswehr did what you are suggesting and simply fitted a bi-pod handguard and drum to a regular G36 to act as an LSW. So basically, there will most likely never be a real MG36 in anything as there aren't many about, and if there was we wouldn't know as the exterior is identical. --commando552 19:20, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
- Just to point out why I reverted the image; from what I can tell, the only production run of MG36s was in 1995, when about a hundred were delivered to the Bundeswehr for testing and rejected. The MIL-STD-1913 standard was established in February of that same year. As a result, any "MG36" with rail mounts is probably just a G36-LMG or whatever they call the drum / bipod handguard variant. This means we should probably change any videogame entries that have rails and say they're MG36s, because they're not. 01:38, 29 September 2011 (CDT)
Since this thread is already made there's no need to make a new one. Anyway I have a question for some of the military gurus. Did any military outfit ever use the MG36 or was it deemed ineffective compared to other lmgs/automatic rifles? I'm in an argument with a friend who insists he German army used the MG36 but I've said they've been using the Rhienmetall MG3. Lurker McNasty 23:44, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
- The MG36 was evaluated but never adopted by the Bundeswehr. They do however use G36s with drum magazines and bipods fitted, which are externally pretty much identical to the MG36. Not sure if this is still done, or this role is now totally filled by the MG4. MG3 is also used, but that fills a different role (7.62mm GPMG as opposed to 5.56mm LSW). --commando552 05:05, 19 October 2011 (CDT)
Guys, the MG36 is in Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3. Shouldn't we list them on the page for what guns the MG36 appears in? --Jeddostotle7 01:17, 21 January 2012 (PST)
- We list what they are, not what they're called. The MW3 MG36 is a G36K, not an MG36.The Wierd It 15:36, 21 January 2012 (CST)
- Then why isn't Modern Warfare 3 in the "video game" section of the appearances of the G36K? --Jeddostotle7 01:17, 21 January 2012 (PST)
Copied from Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3:"MG36"
This image is from the official H&K site.
They list it as a G36K, even tho it has a longer barrel. Maybe H&K classifies these guns based on the handguard and vent holes. It would make sense, as the barrels are interchangeable. Thoughts? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 16:11, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Not sure the barrels are interchangeable, as the gas block would be in the wrong place. I suppose you could put the correspondingly longer piston on (not sure if this would work but lets assume it would) but then the piston would be exposed, with the front part of it along with the gas block sticking out the front of the handguard. It would be exposed to dirt and damage, and would look weird. --commando552 17:52, 3 December 2011 (CST)
H&K makes a LMG/support gunner version of the G36 (don't remember the exact name). It looks just like your photo but as far as I know it's usually outfitted with a 100 round drum magazine instead of the normal 30 rounder. The name "MG36" is really just made up so the poor sap playing this game that knows nothing about gun would immediately associate the MG with machine gun. --Ranger12 16:33, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- I can't really see how a weapon with a non-carbine barrel is still a carbine, personally. Though it would hardly be the first time HK's marketing spods were guilty of making things up as they go along. Evil Tim 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Wait a minute, HK's page has the disclaimer "The pictures shown may differ from the original." Isn't that an aftermarket stock, for a start? Evil Tim 16:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --commando552 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --commando552 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in Far Cry, mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. Evil Tim 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the Far Cry rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --commando552 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- This G36K, the one with the wierd aftermarket sights on a C rail and that stock, was made for one country specifically, though I forget which one. As for the carbine issue Tim, a carbine is simply a shortened version of the original, it can be any length as long as it's shorter. If it's a Carbine of a Carbine it's a Sub-Carbine. Not makin this up :) G36K = Carbine and G36C = Sub-Carbine. M4A1 = Carbine and Mk 18 Mod 0 = Sub-Carbine. Alex T Snow 17:42, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Far Cry was march 2004, I wouldn't think they'd have time to stick a G36 variant that had existed for an absolute maximum of 3 months (and might not have existed at all yet) in the game. Evil Tim 17:51, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --commando552 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. Evil Tim 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--Shadowkungfu 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Ah, CQB barrel, that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? Evil Tim 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
- Could be. :| - Mr. Wolf 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
- The G36 from STALKER is actually modelled after a SL8 converted into a G36 lookalike (can tell by the profiling at the back of the receiver with a serial number plate, the selector switch and aftermarket magazine well fitted into machined out lower receiver). As for the barrel, it looks more like a CQB than a K. The K has an open pronged flash hider (as opposed to the birdcage shown) which would protrude past the handguard on a full size G36 but none of the barrel itself would be visible. I'm going to copy this whole discussion over onto the G36 talk page, as I think it has reached the point that it is more relevant there than here. --commando552 18:09, 4 December 2011 (CST)
- Could be. :| - Mr. Wolf 07:26, 4 December 2011 (CST)
- Ah, CQB barrel, that's starting to make sense. So this is a CQB barrel for the G36 that they marketed for the K under the same name, even though it made the K longer and therefore only helped you CQ if the B was using it as a lance. Also, if this can be fitted to the standard G36, might it be the cause of STALKER's short-barreled G36E? Evil Tim 02:47, 4 December 2011 (CST)
- I have a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine from October 2001 that says the 15.4 inch CQB barrel is an option--Shadowkungfu 20:53, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Ok, I'll add a note there and fix this when I get home, then. Evil Tim 18:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- All I could find was someone stating that it was in the 2004-2006 brochure, but could have appeared before this point. Like I said, the first versions of the G36CQB barrel appeared in the late 90s. It is probably more likely that they just made it up accidentally though. --commando552 17:54, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Apparently the G36CQB was listed in the HK Defence Weapons Systems Brochure from 2004 to 2006, so it is possible that this is what the Far Cry rifle is based on. This is 2nd hand info from the HK Pro forums so might be wrong though. Have also read that it was first introduced in the late 90s for the US market, but only 100 or so were made so these are rare. --commando552 17:31, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Ah, only place I'd ever seen that stock was on Airsoft gun pictures saying it was a G&P "KV style" stock. So, we're saying this is probably a 15.4" barrel G36K? I doubt this variant has existed long enough to have been in Far Cry, mind, so we should probably leave that saying hybrid. Evil Tim 17:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- Did a bit more searching and found that it is a 15.4" barrel, and the variant also appears to go by G36CQB. --commando552 17:04, 3 December 2011 (CST)
- The barrel extends past the handguard by a similar amount (slightly less I think) as on a G36, but the G36 handguard is longer, meaning that this is actually an intermediate barrel between the 318mm barrel of the G36K and the 480mm barrel of the G36. I believe the origin of this variant was that it was submitted for Norwegian (I think) army trials, and it has something like a 16" barrel. It now goes by the name G36KV3 I think. The stock isn't an aftermarket one, I think it was designed by H&K for the Latvian army. --commando552 17:00, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Sorry I was out of this for so long guys. As far as I remember, the G36 uses a quick-change barrel system (eventually used the the ACR and SCAR). You could go from CQB barrel to MG barrel at the flip of a tab and twist of the barrel. H&K figured out over time that they could simply market the same gun with different barrels and people would pay for two guns instead of one and a second barrel. Yes, the people at H&K are some of the biggest jerks out there. --Ranger12 14:54, 4 December 2011 (CST)
- Or maybe you only wanted a full length G36 with a shorter barrel. Alex T Snow 17:16, 4 December 2011 (CST)
Just to reiterate what I said on the MW3 talk page for completeness, the above G36 is a KV of the Latvian armed forces. They use longer barrels than factory G36Ks. Spartan198 11:50, 28 December 2011 (CST)
Heckler & Koch SL8
Doesn't the SL8 warrant it's own page? --Zackmann08 08:26, 25 December 2011 (CST)
- Not really, it's the "civilian" (or more commonly "neutered") version of the G36. Evil Tim 11:50, 25 December 2011 (CST)
- And that is why i always defer to the experts! --Zackmann08 12:22, 25 December 2011 (CST)
- Yeah, we have civilian AR-15s on the M16 page, so the SL8 is right where it belongs, unless it's somehow fundamentally different from the G36 in a way that I'm unaware of. Spartan198 11:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
A lame question
What is that push-down-button-like thing inside the trigger guard of the newer G36s?
Bolt-catch release, as planned on the XM8? --bozitojugg3rn4ut 18:13, 4 August 2012 (CDT)
- All G36s have a bolt catch inside the trigger guard, but it is just a small nub that can be pushed upwards to hold the bolt open. The idea of this extended one (I think it started as an after-market part) is that it can also be pulled downwards to release the bolt rather than on the original G36 where the only way to release it was to pull the bolt handle backwards. --commando552 18:26, 4 August 2012 (CDT)
- Cool. THanks for the help. bozitojugg3rn4ut 04:50, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
G36 dressed up as XM8
Any opinions on possible reasons why we haven't seen these in more movies besides the above xXx? Were they maybe dismantled and returned to their status as normal G36Cs after the movie was completed? While I'm not the biggest fan of the XM8, you'd think directors would jump at the chance to have a futuristic-looking and functional "XM8" in action movies such as Skyfall. Is it maybe a rare instance of directors exercising common sense and not picking a weapon that makes no sense in certain settings? I know this topic is probably odd coming from me, but I kind of find myself wondering what happened with these visually-modified G36s following the end of production on State of the Union. Spartan198 (talk) 01:59, 24 November 2012 (EST)
- "Were they maybe dismantled and returned to their status as normal G36Cs after the movie was completed?"
- That would be my guess. Shortly after this movie came out, DoD announced that the XM8 project was dead. Once that happened, I doubt that any other directors in Hollywood would have been interested in depicting the XM8 as the weapon of the future (kinda like the way that the XM29 stopped appearing in movies and video games after that program was canceled - it was even axed from Half-Life 2 for exactly this reason). -MT2008 (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2013 (EST)
- Correct, the most likely scenario is that the G36s were converted back to standard configuration. After all there are a limited number of G36 rifles in any movie armory. It's not a matter of availability, it's a matter of money/inventory. You try to stock just as much as you can rent out without sitting on tons of expensive stock that you can't use. The XM-8s were cool but you're right, NO ONE has asked for them since. And most directors aren't even gun savvy. It takes someone close to their ear to convince them to use weapons which are not commonly seen. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 02:44, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
What's the model?
--MTOOO (talk) 14:20, 1 January 2013 (EST)
- That is a full size G36 (you can tell by the fact it has a bayonet lug on the barrel) with a RIS handguard and the carry handle sight replaced with a short MIL-STD-1913 rail. --commando552 (talk) 16:58, 1 January 2013 (EST)
G36A2
- Reason I called the carry handle an A2 type is it was originally designed for the G36A2 for the Bundeswehr and can't think of another name to distinguish it from regular export handle, and the retractable stock isn't fake, (well this one probably is as it is a licensed airsoft replica) it is an actual HK design which an earlier version of (without the sling loop) is used on Latvian G36KVs.
- That's exactly what I was gonna state. - Mr. Wolf 04:13, 23 October 2011 (CDT)
- Well, I'm not entirely sure how I managed to forget there was a G36A2, but hey. The "fake" note is just because it always annoys me when you have "airsoft gun -" and then a real calibre, but listing it as "airsoft gun - 6mm BB" kinda defeats the point of listing the calibre in the first place. Evil Tim 07:48, 23 October 2011 (CDT)
- That's exactly what I was gonna state. - Mr. Wolf 04:13, 23 October 2011 (CDT)
Though it may not have appeared in anything yet, could be get a picture of it up with the rest at the top of the talk page? I didn't even know it existed until today. HK Pro doesn't mention it, though the Wikipedia entry says that it has a top rail replacing the red dot sight, a shorter G36C stock, and an aluminum handguard (four rails optional). This explains why Tokyo Marui's G36K replica, which features SEF markings and the top rail, is called a G36KA2 in a manga/anime it's featured in. Though it's really only partly A2, a quick Google search shows a lot of A2s still have full length stocks. Alex T Snow (talk) 01:40, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- Not to sound rude, but the point of the site isn't to provide pictures of every gun made, that's why things like Google Search and such are there. That said, you're assuming those variants are in movie inventory and available to photograph despite your own admission they haven't been featured in anything. While MPM at times posts images of guns that have not appeared in a piece of media, he does so because they are in inventory and are likely to be in something (if they aren't in something already that just hasn't been documented). Again, not trying to be rude, but I feel that's a bit of an unreasonable request, and likely not to be fulfilled on its own lest it lead others think they can request a variant of any gun and have it taken just for them when such a request just isn't reasonable or even realistic. StanTheMan (talk) 16:21, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- I wasn't asking for someone to go out and find to to photograph, it's a German Army variant, that would be highly unlikely, and I know this isn't a gun wikipedia, but a significant number of pages, including this one, have a gallery of rare/unseen variants at the top of their talk pages. I'm asking someone to find a usable picture both because I'm not an expert of what would be an ideal picture for the site, and I don't know the policies on using pictures found online. Also, I don't know what a proper G36A2 looks like, because no one has much info on it, notably that new aluminum handguard. Being a German Army upgrade kit, yes, it's obviously unlikely to appear in a movie, but it's very possible it will be seen in a game, anime, etc, as I even pointed out. We're here to identify guns that do appear, but we can't do that without the proper knowledge to do so, just look at the very odd G36 right above this section, or that CQB barrel length one further up, or half dozen different SL8s, or a whole lot of other obscure variants/setups. We don't need to put something on the main page if it doesn't appear or if it's a custom one-of variant, but we should note them on the talk page for reference. Everything has to appear first somewhere, we should be prepared for it, I thought the 3x scope/rail combo was an airsoft-only thing until now because no sites have info on the A2. Wikipedia has a decent short description, but their picture really isn't helpful since it's not a full A2, HKPro and WorldGuns don't mention it at all, and a Google image search gives a lot of slightly different setups of A2, so I have to assume not all of the upgrades are done to every rifle, which further confuses things. I still don't know what the new aluminum handguard is because I see four or five different handguards that it could be. The anime I was talking about is the first thing to feature the A2, but it's just listed as a normal one with small changes because we don't have it even on the talk page; notably the same anime is also the very first thing ever to feature the Barrett M82A3. On a possibly related note, is this the new handguard? It notably lack that bottom rail-looking flat, sticking out part that pretty much every other one has. Alex T Snow (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- Bah, I didn't catch that you referenced an anime - If there IS something the weapon may have appeared in, that's another story entirely. I didn't see that, so my mistake there. That said, again, still not sure if there is an example for MPM to photograph, but I guess he should answer that. Otherwise, well, the site usually refrains from using pictures elsewhere on the net, mainly because they're usually jacked and belonging to someone else and using them on here could cause problems. But if it's all that's presently available, maybe. You'd have to check with the admins. So I'll quit yakkin and let them weigh in. StanTheMan (talk) 23:41, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- Thanks :) The anime in question is Stella C³-bu (which is about airsoft), and the replica in question is Tokyo Marui's G36KA2 (I just realized that they actually call it an A2), which I linked up above. It features SEF markings (per German Army), the A2 3x/rail combo, and the new A2 handguards, though it doesn't have the C-length stock. However every single picture I've found online of the real G36A2, without exception, all still have standard length stocks, so I wouldn't count that against it. I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out a picture of some kind, but I'm going to fix the entry on that page. Alex T Snow (talk) 00:05, 30 April 2014 (EDT)
- Bah, I didn't catch that you referenced an anime - If there IS something the weapon may have appeared in, that's another story entirely. I didn't see that, so my mistake there. That said, again, still not sure if there is an example for MPM to photograph, but I guess he should answer that. Otherwise, well, the site usually refrains from using pictures elsewhere on the net, mainly because they're usually jacked and belonging to someone else and using them on here could cause problems. But if it's all that's presently available, maybe. You'd have to check with the admins. So I'll quit yakkin and let them weigh in. StanTheMan (talk) 23:41, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- I wasn't asking for someone to go out and find to to photograph, it's a German Army variant, that would be highly unlikely, and I know this isn't a gun wikipedia, but a significant number of pages, including this one, have a gallery of rare/unseen variants at the top of their talk pages. I'm asking someone to find a usable picture both because I'm not an expert of what would be an ideal picture for the site, and I don't know the policies on using pictures found online. Also, I don't know what a proper G36A2 looks like, because no one has much info on it, notably that new aluminum handguard. Being a German Army upgrade kit, yes, it's obviously unlikely to appear in a movie, but it's very possible it will be seen in a game, anime, etc, as I even pointed out. We're here to identify guns that do appear, but we can't do that without the proper knowledge to do so, just look at the very odd G36 right above this section, or that CQB barrel length one further up, or half dozen different SL8s, or a whole lot of other obscure variants/setups. We don't need to put something on the main page if it doesn't appear or if it's a custom one-of variant, but we should note them on the talk page for reference. Everything has to appear first somewhere, we should be prepared for it, I thought the 3x scope/rail combo was an airsoft-only thing until now because no sites have info on the A2. Wikipedia has a decent short description, but their picture really isn't helpful since it's not a full A2, HKPro and WorldGuns don't mention it at all, and a Google image search gives a lot of slightly different setups of A2, so I have to assume not all of the upgrades are done to every rifle, which further confuses things. I still don't know what the new aluminum handguard is because I see four or five different handguards that it could be. The anime I was talking about is the first thing to feature the A2, but it's just listed as a normal one with small changes because we don't have it even on the talk page; notably the same anime is also the very first thing ever to feature the Barrett M82A3. On a possibly related note, is this the new handguard? It notably lack that bottom rail-looking flat, sticking out part that pretty much every other one has. Alex T Snow (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
VHS-2
Here's the VHS-2, a croatian assault rifle manufactured by HS Produkt. It is most likely not a variant of the G36, but it uses G36 magazines. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:34, 20 August 2014 (EDT)