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:I don't think this gun is the A-545, but is just the current models of the AEK-971S and AEK-973S (might have a different letter than "S" to distinguish the variant, but have never heard a different name for it). During some of the Ratnik trials the director of TsNIITochMash gave an interview with a Russian blogger, and when asked about alternatives to the AK-12 he said that Degtyarev had presented an AEK variant (probably what you pictured), and Tula had come up with a variant that is called the A-545. However I am not quite sure what the context of the use of "Tula" means, as in whether he means KPD in Tula, or designed by TsNIITochMash and made by the Tula Arms Plant ([http://twower.livejournal.com/969877.html here] is the original Russian article). I can believe both, as I found [http://www.firearmsworld.net/russain/kalash/ak12/test896892.jpg this] image from Ratnik trials in 2013, which appears to show a modernised AL-7 at the top (designed by TsNIITochMash), and AK-12 in the middle, and a bullpup at the bottom which resembles an A-91 (designed by KPD) but with some differences. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:56, 6 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
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Additional Variants
Is it just me, or do the vast majority of these images look like a photoshopped version of the same image that is on the main page? Are these even all real variants, or are they just supposed/planned variants? --commando552 (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2014 (EDT)
- Here can be seen some good and most updated (January 2014) images. Greg-Z (talk) 23:11, 17 March 2014 (EDT)
What an ugly AK
How can they go from the sleek beauty that was the AK47 and end up with this? It looks hideous. --cool-breeze 13:13, 9 February 2012 (CST)
- Is beauty really a criteria you have for rifles? The AK-12 is a military rifle after all, and I don't think the Russian military compare guns using how good it looks as a category. In my world, it doesn't matter how ugly a gun is, if it does it's job well, it's welcomed with open arms. Also, was the AK-47 really that good-looking? It looked a bit plain to me. User:Alasdair
- Although, as you say, how it looks is largely irrelevant for a military weapon, I actually quite like the look of it compared to traditional AKs. I've never understood people's love for the look of the AK-47. If it was released now, it would be derided as an aesthetic and ergonomic abomination. --commando552 04:34, 10 February 2012 (CST)
- What's with all the hate against modularity? Like it or not, it's the future. Look at the US military and note how the addition of rail interface systems have greatly expanded the flexibility of current weapon systems like the M16 and M14 by enabling the quick and easy attachment of virtually any sighting or control device without the need for a gunsmith. Are you in an Iraqi town full of insurgents? Stick on a red dot and a broomstick for the MOUT that you're ultimately going to face. Then the next day when you suddenly find yourself out in the open countryside? Pull those off and replace them with a magnified optic and bipod which would be better suited to that environment. I don't see any conceivable reason why the Ruskies wouldn't want such a capability, and this is exactly what the AK-12 delivers. Spartan198 02:16, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
Really?
Is this really a new AK variant, or is it still an experimental weapon?--Gunner5
- The one labelled as AK-200 was the prototype, the AK-12 is supposedly the production model and is currently being field tested. I wouldn't be surprised though if it was never actually adopted, like all of the other "replacements" for the AK-74. --commando552 19:33, 9 February 2012 (CST)
Russian military has already said that they are not interested in the AK12. They want to get a brand new rifle, which will be as accurate as the M4 or G36--Flexo 08:23, 11 February 2012 (CST)
- When and where did you hear that? As the AK-12 was only unveiled 2 weeks ago I doubt the Russian army has actually done any proper testing yet. Are you sure you aren't getting it mixed up with the earlier AK-200 prototype? --commando552 09:14, 11 February 2012 (CST)
- Here: http://newsru.com/russia/25jan2012/aka.html
- and here: http://newsru.com/russia/17feb2012/ak12.html
- Because you do not read russian, I inform you about the content of this articles: Russian military demand from the manufacturer an assault rifle of OTHER design. They are convinced that АК-47 it is impossible to transform into the modern weapon by ANY modernization. But АК-12 it is only modernization of AK-47/AKM/AK-74/AK-100/AK-200 etc. --Flexo 13:15, 11 February 2012 (CST)
- By the way, in this article also it is written about new pistol "Strike" which has a design similar with Glock. It is a pity that a photo of awful quality :( --Flexo 13:41, 11 February 2012 (CST)
- When and where did you hear that? As the AK-12 was only unveiled 2 weeks ago I doubt the Russian army has actually done any proper testing yet. Are you sure you aren't getting it mixed up with the earlier AK-200 prototype? --commando552 09:14, 11 February 2012 (CST)
Renaming weapons ??? AK-12 to A-545 ???
http://topwar.ru/33752-ak-12-protiv-a-545-strannye-novosti-o-konkurse.html
I do not understand Russian. Please, corrected article. --Emto (talk) 12:39, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
- No, AK-12 retains its name. A-545 is a completely different gun, a new model by V.A. Degtyarev Plant that is suggested for competition with AK-12. A-545 seems to be a derivation of AEK-971. Greg-Z (talk) 12:34, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
http://iichan.hk/mi/src/1392219748199.jpg Is this the weapon ?? --Emto (talk) 12:39, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
- Looks so, but I'm not sure as all images of AEK-971 show side-folding stock while here we see retractable stock. Let's wait for some time, maybe more reliable images will appear. Greg-Z (talk) 14:28, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
A new patch for the game "Survarium". It adds just the weapon. I do not know what this weapon.
http://survarium.com/en/news/v024a-key-features-preview
--Emto (talk) 14:34, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
- I don't think this gun is the A-545, but is just the current models of the AEK-971S and AEK-973S (might have a different letter than "S" to distinguish the variant, but have never heard a different name for it). During some of the Ratnik trials the director of TsNIITochMash gave an interview with a Russian blogger, and when asked about alternatives to the AK-12 he said that Degtyarev had presented an AEK variant (probably what you pictured), and Tula had come up with a variant that is called the A-545. However I am not quite sure what the context of the use of "Tula" means, as in whether he means KPD in Tula, or designed by TsNIITochMash and made by the Tula Arms Plant (here is the original Russian article). I can believe both, as I found this image from Ratnik trials in 2013, which appears to show a modernised AL-7 at the top (designed by TsNIITochMash), and AK-12 in the middle, and a bullpup at the bottom which resembles an A-91 (designed by KPD) but with some differences. --commando552 (talk) 16:56, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
