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==GE M134 Minigun==
==GE M134 Minigun==
One of the helicopters that drops the men off has a door-mounted [[GE M134 Minigun]].
One of the Bell UH-1N helicopters that drops the men off has a door-mounted [[GE M134 Minigun]].
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:PredatorM134mounted.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A doorgunner mans a GE M134 Minigun.]]
[[Image:PredatorM134mounted.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A UH-1N doorgunner mans a GE M134 Minigun.]]


== Heckler & Koch HK94 (chopped and converted)==
== Heckler & Koch HK94 (chopped and converted)==

Revision as of 23:57, 7 February 2009

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Predator (1987)

The following guns were used in the film Predator


AR-15/SP1

Billy (Sonny Landham) and Dutch (Arnold Schwarzenegger) are prominantly seen armed with AR-15/SP1 slab-side M16 rifles fitted with M16A1 birdcage muzzle flash suppressors to apear more modern (they are likely AR-15/SP1s over genuine M16s, converted to full-auto by the armorers for the film). Dutch's AR-15/SP1 is fitted with an Fake M203 Launcher and a perforated forend typical for the M203, while Billy's AR-15/SP1 is fitted with a Mossberg 500 shotgun and M16A2 foregrips. These particular SP1 rifles are clearly fitted with blank adapters (which are visible sticking beyond the muzzle, out into the flash hider), which means they were real guns converted to fire blank rounds. Many other guns in the movie also have these adapters visible.

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AR-15/SP1 with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56mm and 40mm. (edited from two of MPM2008's pictures)
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AR-15/SP1 with A2 handguards and A1 bircage muzzle break - 5.56x45mm. (edited from two of MPM2008's pictures)
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Dutch armed with his AR-15/SP1 fitted with a fake M203 launcher.
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Dutch with his AR-15/SP1.
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Dutch trades his AR-15/SP1 for a pair of binoculars when scouting the Guerilla camp.
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Dutch fires his SP1 rifle at the Guerillas.
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Billy armed with an SP1 rifle, yet his Mossberg 500 shotgun is missing in this shot.
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Dutch with his SP1 rifle.
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Dutch with his SP1 rifle.
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Dutch helps chop down the forest with his SP1.
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Dutch reloads his SP1 rifle.
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Dutch with his SP1.
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"RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNN!"
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MGC M16 Replica Rifle.
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The Predator blasts Dutch's SP1 in half with its Shoulder Cannon. This is an MGC replica hence the mock forward assist. Also the 30 round magazine seen when he live fires, is replaced with the 20 round fake Japanese magazine of the MGC rifle.

Fake 39mm M203 Launcher

Fitted on Dutch's AR-15/SP1 is a Fake M203 Launcher with a 39mm bore diameter. This particular faux launcher was popular at the time before the Cobray launcher was produced and was used in several other '80s movies, including Heartbreak Ridge. Gun is innacurately seen capable of detonating its rounds at close range, yet real M203 rounds have a safety device in which they must spin for a certain amount of time before detonating, giving it a range limit. Dutch later uses his spare 40mm rounds (which actually don't fit his launcher) to make explosives to face the Predator.

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M16A1 fitted with a fake M203, this is an IMP Cobray 37mm flare launcher, which is not the same device, but close - 37mm Flare.
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Dutch fires his fake M203 launcher at the Guerillas. Note how the SP1 rifle has a blank adapter protruding from the barrel into the muzzle break.
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Dutch with his SP1/Fake M203.
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Dutch takes out the UH-1 Iroquis with his fake M203 at a far too short distance. Also, when he fires the gun, a considerable amount of smoke exits the muzzle...
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...yet as the chopper blows up, no smoke is visible.
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Dutch takes out his two 40mm rounds, which don't actually fit in his fake M203.
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Dutch dumps the powder out of the 40mm round to make explosives.

Mossberg 500

Billy's AR-15/SP1 is fitted with a Mossberg 500 underslung under the barrel. While never seen firing the shotgun in the film, he is seen pumping it closed after the men cut down the forest with weapons fire, implying he had been firing it during that scene. In the original screenplay, Billy's SP1 rifle was to be fitted with an M203 launcher. During the helicopter scene, he was to be seen opening and closing the breech repeatedly. Since the fake M203 launchers don't open in such a matter, I guess someone decided to change it to a Mossberg 500 shotgun (although they seemed to have forgotten the helicopter scene).

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Mossberg 500 - 12 gauge.
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Billy with his SP1 rifle fitted with a Mossberg 500 shotgun.
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Billy with his SP1/Mossberg 500.
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Billy with his SP1/Mossberg 500.
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Close up of Billy's Mossberg 500.
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Billy's with his SP1/Mossberg 500 before carelessly tossing it away to face the Predator hand-to-hand.

M60E3

An M60E3 machine gun is carried by Sgt. Mac (Bill Duke). Like the gun in Commando, this M60 appears to have a professionally shortened barrel. They actually could be the same gun supplied by Stembridge Gun Rentals.

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M60E3 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO.
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Sgt. Mac with his M60E3.
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Mac fires his M60E3 at the Guerillas.
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Mac with his M60E3.
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Mac with his M60E3.
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Note how a blank adapter is visible on Mac's M60E3.
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"SEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARRRRGEEEEEEEEAAAAAANNNNNNT!"
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Mac with his M60E3.
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Mac fires his M60E3 at the Predator.

GE M134 Minigun Handheld

Nicknamed "Ol Painless", a hand-held M134 Minigun is the main weapon of the movie carried by Blain (Jesse Ventura). It has been modded for Commando use with an M60 handguard and a rear pistol grip. The weapon was powered by an electric cable hidden in the actors pants and fired reduced power 7.62x51mm blank rounds to ease the recoil force. It is believed in real life a similar weapon was tested by US special forces in the 1970s but found impractical (This statement is false, anyone with the least bit of knowledge about this weapon system would know that a soldier cannot fire a multi barreled 7.62mm machine gun, since the recoil would equal the same G-force as trying to lift a 350lb football player.). Although rumoured to be an XM214 'Microgun' which fires the smaller 5.56mm NATO rounds, it is the larger M134 hence the barrel cluster.On the subject of the weapon's caliber the film's technical advisor Kevin Dockery had the following to say."The Predator gun is an M-134. It was never a microgun (XM-214). That story has been rattling around the Internet and elsewhere for years, that the Predator gun was a 5.56, it wasn't. Ventura had a hand in putting together the harness that held the gun, after all, he had to carry and handle the darn thing, and told me a bunch about it. When Dan had the gun (past tense I believe) he contacted me to see if Ventura wanted to buy the weapon. I'm going to do a writeup on the XM-214 including pictures of me holding one. It isn't a big deal to pick the microgun up and hold it cradled in one arm. Maybe when people see just how small the 5.56mm gun is, this story will start going away. The pack in the movie held all of four seconds worth of ammo and no batteries. In the first scene when Ventura fires the gun, you can see the cable for it it the dirt behind him. And the trigger didn't work. The special effects man handled powering the gun for several reasons, including safety. Something about them not wanting the actors injured if the gun was dropped and the trigger pulled." The gun is also operated in the film by Mac shortly after Blain's death and Mac uses it to chop down half the forest in an attempt to kill the Predator.

An interesting note, after Mac fires the Minigun and chops down half the forest, he claims he fired off 200 rounds, a full pack. With what Blain and Mac had fires combined, it is more like 2000 rounds.

He said fired "200 rounds and then the Minigun", implying that the 200 rounds came just from his M60. Although considering he only fired a (fairly) short burst from the M60 before dropping it and picking up the Minigun, I doubt that the 200 rounds is accurate.
On the night when Mac is talking to Dutch after Blain's death, He claims that all the weaponry(even the minigun) couldnt beat the Predator. Mac did wound the Predator with a few rounds of his M60E3 so therfore an M134 can, Its just that the Commando Squad went nuts and shot up an area the jungle as the Predator ran off. If the Predator didnt, the Squad would have got him.
A showgirl presents the handheld General Electric M134 Minigun with M60 handguard used in the film - 7.62x51mm NATO.
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Blain chambers all the barrels of the M134 handheld Minigun by twisting them left and right. This was probably done to give a macho screen appearence as doing this would fire off a chambered round.
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Blain prepares to fire the handheld Minigun.
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Blain lets loose the 4000rpm Minigun on some Guerillas. Talk about overkill.
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Close up of Blain firing the Minigun.
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Blain fires his Minigun, fed with Incendary rounds?.
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Blain firing his Minigun.
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Close up on the barrel of Minigun.
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Close up on the barrel of the Minigun. I guess Blain likes MTV.
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"Come on in you fuckers.... come on in." Blain flicks the safety off the Minigun.
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Mac mows down the forest with the Minigun.
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Mac fires the Minigun.
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Mac still holds down on the trigger on the Minigun after the ammunition is exhausted.
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The barrels on the Minigun continue to rotate until Mac finally releases the trigger.
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Jesse Ventura poses with the Minigun during the credits.

GE M134 Minigun

One of the Bell UH-1N helicopters that drops the men off has a door-mounted GE M134 Minigun.

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GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO.
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A UH-1N doorgunner mans a GE M134 Minigun.

Heckler & Koch HK94 (chopped and converted)

The Heckler & Koch HK94 are the mainstay weapons of many members of the squad. Blain (Jesse Ventura), Poncho (Richard Cheves), Hawkins (Shane Black) and Dillon (Carl Weathers) all carry them. The guns are meant to be MP5A3s, but close inspection reveals they are the civilian HK94s with the 16" barrels chopped down and they are converted to full auto. They clearly aren't MP5A3s do to the lack of the three lugs on the barrel, the lack of the paddle magazine release situated behind the magazine, under the gun. They also lack the push pin set.

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Heckler & Koch HK94 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A3. Note the lack of a paddle magazine release, a lugged barrel, and a push pin set - 9mm.
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Blain in the chopper armed with a chopped HK94.
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Poncho with his HK94.
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Dillon fires his HK94 at the Guerillas trying to escape in the helicopter.
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Hawkins fires his HK94 at the Guerillas.
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Clear shot of the HK94 barrel when Mac kills the Scorpion on Dillon's shoulder.
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Close up on Poncho's HK94. Note lack of barrel lugs.
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Note lack of paddle magazine release and push pin set.
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"Maybe you better put her on a leash, Agent-man." Poncho points his HK94 at Anna (Elpidia Carrillo) when she tries to escape Dillon.
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Dillon helps cut down the forest with his HK94.
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Poncho interrogates Anna with his HK94 in hand.
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Dutch throws Dillon Blain's HK94 when Dillon goes to help Mac take on the Predator.
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Dillon wielding two HK94s akimbo style.
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Close up of Dillon pulling the trigger on the HK94.
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Dillon fires the HK94 at the Predator.
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When the Predator blows off Dillon's arm with his blaster, the HK94 continues to fire in the severed arm. While the finger is clearly not pulling the trigger, a wire is seen wrapped around it to make it fire.
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Carl Weathers poses with his HK94 for the credits.

Custom 37mm Launcher

A custom launcher built specifically by the armorers is used by Poncho. It is built from Heckler & Koch HK94 parts (mainly the stock and pistol gips) and uses parts ftom an AN-M5 aircraft pyrotechnic discharger (a 37mm flare launcher).

"Blaine: Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me."

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Poncho: Yeah, strap this on your "sore ass", Blain.
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Note how the stock is that of an H&K HK94, although the grip appears to be molded from the original grips.
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Poncho fires his launcher at the Guerillas.
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Poncho firing his launcher.
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Poncho firing his launcher.
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Poncho firing his launcher.
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Poncho firing his launcher at Guerillas embedded on the hill top.
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"You got time to duck?"
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Poncho helps cut down the jungle with his launcher.
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Poncho firing his launcher.
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Poncho with his launcher at the ready as the commandos wait for the Predator to walk into their trap.

M18A1 Claymore

Sgt. Mac can be seen arming M18A1 Claymores as part of the defensive perimeter when he and the commandos camp out for the night after Blain is killed, then when Dutch orders the other commandos to make a stand against the Predator in the jungle. Mac and Blain are also seen disarming a Claymore when they sneek into the Guerilla camp.

M18A1 Claymore Mine.
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Mac holds down the trip wire of a Claymore Mine as Blain clips the wire.
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Mac sets up a Claymore mine as a trap for the Predator. Interesting to note that the green paint is chipping off the mine revealing it to be a blue practice mine

Walther PP

One of the Guerillas is seen using a Walther PP to execute an American prisoner. Anna (Elpidia Carrillo) is also seen trying to shoot Dutch with a Walther before he whips around and rifle butts her.

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Walther PP - .380 ACP.
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A Guerilla executes an American prisoner with a Walther PP, which is clearly a flashpaper gun. This was done for safety purposes, and since blank rounds could damage hearing.
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Anna readies her Walther PP.

IMI Desert Eagle

Billy, Dutch, and Mac are also seen with IMI Desert Eagle handguns, presumabley .44 or .357 Magnum, holstered as their sidearms. Dutch keeps his in a hip holster while Billy and Mac use shoulder holsters.

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Desert Eagle Black - .50 AE.
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Billy with a Desert Eagle in his shoulder holster.
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Dutch with a Desert Eagle in his hip holster.
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Mac with a Desert Eagle in his shoulder holster.

M1911A1

While the other Commando's have more modern pistols, Dillon is briefly seen with an M1911A1 pistol as his holstered sidearm.

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Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.
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Dillon with an M1911A1 in his hip holster. Take it he likes the 'old stuff' hence the Vietnam Era OG Fatigues, Cap, Webbing etc.

AKM

Some of the Guerillas fighting the commandos are armed with AKM assault rifles.

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AKM - 7.62x39mm
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A Guerilla fires his AKM.

Valmet M78/83

Some of the Guerillas are seen armed with Valmet M78 light machine guns, note by their synthetic "Dragunov" style stocks. While similar to an RPK machine gun, slight differences in the sights and receiver help tell them apart.

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Valmet M78 - 7.62x39mm.
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A Guard on duty with his Valmet M78/83 LMG nearby.
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Another shot of the same scene.
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A Guerilla fires his Valmet M78/83 at the commandos.
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An M78/83 is seen in mid-flight.
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A Guerilla fires his M78/83.
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The Guerilla is sent flying with his M78/83 in hand.

M67 "Baseball" hand grenade

Dutch uses an M67 hand grenade to start the battle between the Guerillas.

M67 hand grenade.
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An M67 grenade is seen on Dutch's shirt.
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Dutch readies his M67 grenade.

Satchel Charge

Dutch plants a Satchel Charge on one of the Guerilla trucks and then uses his hulk-like strength to roll the truck into a cluster of them.

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Dutch plants a Satchel Charge in the truck bed.
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Preparing explosives is appartently as easy as flipping a switch.

Custom Torque Bow

When preparing to fight the Predator, Dutch builds himself a recurve bow with enough strength to send arrows completly through trees. Dutch also builds some explosive tipped arrows with no visible ignition source, so apparently they just explode on impact for no reason.

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Dutch aims his Custom Torque Bow at the Predator.
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Depsite the fact this bow was shown capable of putting an arrow through a tree, it doesn't seem to be able to propel a Torque arrow very fast.

"Blow Dryer" Gun

The infamous shoulder mounted plasma gun used by The Predator (played by 7'2" tall actor Kevin Peter Hall, now deceased), nicknamed the "Blow Dryer" gun due to its similarity to a Hair Dryer is used several times in the film and is the main cause of death to many of the team's Commandos.

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The Predator's "Blow Dryer" gun locks on to a Muskrat at the river bank.
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The gun fires.
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The Predator randomly fires his gun at Dutch, unable to detect him by heat do to his mud coat.
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The Predator fires his gun.
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The Predator fires his gun.
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The Predator removes his gun from his shoulder so he can fight Dutch hand-to-hand (although his blades should have been removed too).

Harpoon Gun

Before the great Stan Winston (RIP) turned the Predator into what it was, it was originally going to use a Harpoon gun, and in one scene, we see this gun's projectile in use. The Predator uses it to skim Blaine's shoulder and stun him before using his shoulder gun to put a hole through his chest. Since this idea was dropped, this is the only instance the weapon is seen used in the film.

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A harpoon projectile is seen in motion, skimming Blaine. Note how blood is seen coming out of his shoulder, yet look how high the harpoon is.