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::::::No one is threatening to delete any pages here. I don't know where you're getting that from. But an ineligible page will be deleted, regardless of genre. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:14, 29 December 2013 (EST) | ::::::No one is threatening to delete any pages here. I don't know where you're getting that from. But an ineligible page will be deleted, regardless of genre. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:14, 29 December 2013 (EST) | ||
Aside from 'Fantasy', all those categories are, again, pretty specifically defined. 'Zombie' films have zombies in them. 'Post-Apocalyptic' films take place in a post-apocalyptic setting. 'Martial Arts' deals with films that portray eastern martial-arts fighting styles, etc. That's all straightforward. What exactly constitutes a 'slasher'? I don't think there can be generally agreed upon definition and I don't see how it can be made without being too redundant with the existing 'horror' category. Indeed, 'Zombie' and 'Post-Apocalyptic' are to an extent redundant to each other (pretty much every zombie movie is a 'post-apocalyptic' movie as well, but not so vice-versa), and some other existing categories are redundant and/or extraneous already. If anything I think focus should be put on streamlining categories and eliminating ones that are redundant and unnecessary, rather than debating about adding even more. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:10, 29 December 2013 (EST) | Aside from 'Fantasy', all those categories are, again, pretty specifically defined. 'Zombie' films have zombies in them. 'Post-Apocalyptic' films take place in a post-apocalyptic setting. 'Martial Arts' deals with films that portray eastern martial-arts fighting styles, etc. That's all straightforward. What exactly constitutes a 'slasher'? I don't think there can be generally agreed upon definition and I don't see how it can be made without being too redundant with the existing 'horror' category. Indeed, 'Zombie' and 'Post-Apocalyptic' are to an extent redundant to each other (pretty much every zombie movie is a 'post-apocalyptic' movie as well, but not so vice-versa), and some other existing categories are redundant and/or extraneous already. If anything I think focus should be put on streamlining categories and eliminating ones that are redundant and unnecessary, rather than debating about adding even more. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:10, 29 December 2013 (EST) | ||
:Well... | |||
*Zombie Films - films which feature dead/ill people behaving like a wild animal which in the core is a metaphor; | |||
*Martial Arms - okay, I can agree with this one, though still: genre is strictly based on fight choreography so should not be confused with mixed-type action movies. | |||
*Post-Apocalyptic - films that involve people surviving after the fall of the system in a slightly unrealistic (or greatly expanded) extreme circumstances. | |||
*Slasher - a movie which involves a criminal (99% cases - a mix of mass murderer or serial killer) committing a series of graphically depicted crimes in restricted time and area and protagonist surviving this to a climatic battle. | |||
As you can see, all of them are described in a few words as much easy (easier, in fact) then comedy, drama or even action movie. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 22:21, 29 December 2013 (EST) | |||
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Category: Movie: Could someone make a page for the movie The Adventures of Tin Tin.
- Someone did. --Funkychinaman 00:18, 28 December 2011 (CST)
"Corky Romano"
if anyone could please make a profile page for the movie "Corky Romano" that would be amazing! i'm sure many people don't find the movie entertaining, it's a comedy and a lot of people don't think it's too funny. But i dont know, i enjoy it. Anyways, there are two guns in the movie that I am particularly interested in, and am not 100% sure as to what they are. In the scene where Corky Romano is a translator for a drug deal going down, I want to know what the two pistols are that the two Asian, drug buyer, and seller, have in there possession. I'm not sure if I broke down that last sentence in a way that most people will understand it but I tried! haha. Anyways, I'm new to the website. And think it's awesome. There are more guns in that movie as well, that I don't know what they are. So i think a lot of "Corky Romano" fans out there would be happy to see all of the awesome guns in that movie! Hope someone can help me out.. Thanks again!
1988 Movie Ghost Town
Would someone please make a page for the 1988 movie Ghost Town starring Frank Luz. I think there was a Freedom Arms 454 Casull in the movie. They used the five shot capacity as a plot device.
Alphabetical Index Please
it's kind of ridiculous to have to click "next 200" dozens of times to get to a movie... Desperately needs a simple A-Z at the top of the page
- I can add it, but not sure how to make it centered.--Predator20 16:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Edit, I added it, but it's for all pages not just movies. Probably have to create a movie a to z code. I have no idea how to that.--Predator20 16:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
29 Palms!
can't believe Hobo with a Shotgun (I loved it!) is already up on IMFDB and 29 Palms still isn't! It's a pretty amusing film with several guns in it. The one I'd really like to see identified is the stainless semi-auto Mike Rappaport draws from the glove compartment of his police cruiser. Also the pistol used by the main character in the casino shoot out is hard to identify.
The Salton Sea
Hey just watched the Salton Sea, and was wondering if somebody could do a page on that movie. I'm actually surprised no one has done one yet. I saw a page for Airplane 2 but the Salton Sea has a weapons dealer in it.
Request for creating a category
I was trying already, a long time ago to create a "Slasher" movie category but, I agree it wasn't that actual back then, unlike now when we have much more of them (including Russian and Ukrainian examples) included and even more coming (personally screencapped two and will be adding them soon). Slasher is quite a loosely defined category but so do Blaxploitation, Zombie movies and Post Apocalyptic genre, too. I believe they have quite a few reasons why they are here which are also can be found in "Slasher genre".
1. Cross-genre or tendency to mix - as all the genres I have mentioned, Slasher is not exclusively horror. Many of the examples tend more to be a thriller, mystery component is quite often included as well (in fact, Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians/And Then There Were None and The Mousetrap are some of the earliest examples known) and can as well mix with (examples included are Alien and The Terminator, no less), Zombie subgenre (Evil Dead movies are really close and were inspired by some of the slashers, also Friday the 13th franchise uses elements starting with the sixth movie) and even (Wishmaster, Phantasm and some of the other supernatural slashers). --Kloga (talk) 20:51, 29 December 2013 (EST)
2. Genre's own firearm tendencies - while Blaxploitation will likely include something exclusive, heavily customized, mocked-up and nickel/gold-plated and has a tendency to mock-up existing firearms to make them look futuristic, Slasher has it's own trademarks in guns. The main one is that the movie of this genre/sub-genre will likely include only one firearm, or a limited quantity that may still be of the same model (to name a few: Halloween (1978), A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984), Shtolnya, Death Proof, ), though sequels will likely include more, especially if franchise goes a long way. It will also be likely featured in the hands of one of the protagonists and will misfire, backfire or in any other way be useless or harmful for protagonist. There are, also, by the way a few notable exceptions which include The Hitcher (1986) and it's remake and sequel, Maniac, The Terminator and TAG: The Assassination Game, which I hope to do a page for someday.
3. Genre being featured on the IMFDB already at some level - as I've already wrote it has many of them included, as of now. Some people tend to not count this genre as a serious one and so they want to exclude it from any serious categories of mainstream and even genre cinema, but it should be noted that genre still develops and inspires film-makers from all over the world and it's one of the most career-starting sub-genres ever for both directors and actors. However, I really like it and hope that one day it will be treated as it should be. --Kloga (talk) 20:51, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- I've never heard anyone refer to Alien or The Terminator as a slasher film. The Horror category should be sufficient. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- In many ways, The Terminator comes into the slasher genre not by adhering to its common elements, but by subverting them.
- With a POD after the release of the 1st The Terminator film in 1984, turn the subsequent Terminator films into gory horror movies rather than sci-fi thriller action flicks. Basically, when people in the ATL think of famous horror movie killers they should think of Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, Norman Bates, Leatherface, Freddy Krueger and the Terminator.
- As discussed in the Genre and Subgenre section, Alien is usually categorized as a science fiction horror movie, but it shares many qualities of the slasher subgenre. In Carol J. Clover’s essay, “Her Body, Himself: Gender in the slasher film” she attempts to analyze the various aspects of the Slasher film and how they deal with gender. In the essay, she gives broad overviews of the characteristics that usually describe the killer and what she calls “The Final Girl”. Some of these characteristics relate to the characters in Alien, while some do not.
- Maybe. Follows Slasher formula. More of a Sci-fi Monster movie. Nothing wrong with that though
As you can see, there are discussions but most of the people agree - at least partially they fall into genre (I've intentionally delivered both serious articles and forum discussions to represent critic/researcher and public opinions). Also, see for yourself - unstoppable serial killer, final girl, a chain of brutal seemingly loosely connected.
In general I can understand your opinion well (so don't just think that opinion of two of the most hard-contributing adn rule-enforcing (in a good sense) admins is nothing for me), but for me it seems to include it seems to be much more logical considering categories I have listed. And for me many of the classic slashers are more of a thriller, by the way. --Kloga (talk) 21:29, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- So why aren't the extant categories "Horror" and "Thriller" sufficient? --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:05, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- Not just the two of us. MPM shot down your initial attempt three and a half years ago. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:35, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- As I have said, there were only a few covered, even from the main franchises... --Kloga (talk) 21:39, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- And while we're here, I'm wondering why we ever need a Post Apocalyptic category. That's not really a genre itself. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:44, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- Bah.. I'm with FCM, There may be elements of that in those movies, yet I still wouldn't really describe Terminator or Alien as 'slashers'. That said, regardless of whether it's a respected category or not, I don't think it's really a definitive or consistent classification. Almost all of the rest of the existing categories (Of which, I would say there are already a few too many) are all more-or-less self-explanatory, 'slasher' not so much. I think having it might lead to confusion and problems, without seeing what real benefit it gives to the site in terms of organization. I have to side with Ben and FCM, the Horror category should be sufficient enough. I'm no authority but I personally would vote against this. StanTheMan (talk) 21:54, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- In terms of organization it will tell the reader what to expect just as Zombie, Post Apocalyptic, Martial Arms, Fantasy (I was surprised that this is also here) and Blaxploitation pages do. I mean, reader will be able to expect that this movie will have certain common things with firareams ad also will expect that there will be one or only a handful of them and they still will not help much to characters so reader doesn't need to expect many firearms depicted well because it's the rule of the said genre. It will also provide an additional reason to storage one-firearm pages: there are many of them, some of them really interesting and I personally like to read them and don't want them to be eventually deleted because I (and any other reader) have a right to know what were the firearms and hope for unidentified ones to be successfully identified. I must say, such categories really help to know what to expect. --Kloga (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- No one is threatening to delete any pages here. I don't know where you're getting that from. But an ineligible page will be deleted, regardless of genre. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:14, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- In terms of organization it will tell the reader what to expect just as Zombie, Post Apocalyptic, Martial Arms, Fantasy (I was surprised that this is also here) and Blaxploitation pages do. I mean, reader will be able to expect that this movie will have certain common things with firareams ad also will expect that there will be one or only a handful of them and they still will not help much to characters so reader doesn't need to expect many firearms depicted well because it's the rule of the said genre. It will also provide an additional reason to storage one-firearm pages: there are many of them, some of them really interesting and I personally like to read them and don't want them to be eventually deleted because I (and any other reader) have a right to know what were the firearms and hope for unidentified ones to be successfully identified. I must say, such categories really help to know what to expect. --Kloga (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- Bah.. I'm with FCM, There may be elements of that in those movies, yet I still wouldn't really describe Terminator or Alien as 'slashers'. That said, regardless of whether it's a respected category or not, I don't think it's really a definitive or consistent classification. Almost all of the rest of the existing categories (Of which, I would say there are already a few too many) are all more-or-less self-explanatory, 'slasher' not so much. I think having it might lead to confusion and problems, without seeing what real benefit it gives to the site in terms of organization. I have to side with Ben and FCM, the Horror category should be sufficient enough. I'm no authority but I personally would vote against this. StanTheMan (talk) 21:54, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- And while we're here, I'm wondering why we ever need a Post Apocalyptic category. That's not really a genre itself. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:44, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- As I have said, there were only a few covered, even from the main franchises... --Kloga (talk) 21:39, 29 December 2013 (EST)
Aside from 'Fantasy', all those categories are, again, pretty specifically defined. 'Zombie' films have zombies in them. 'Post-Apocalyptic' films take place in a post-apocalyptic setting. 'Martial Arts' deals with films that portray eastern martial-arts fighting styles, etc. That's all straightforward. What exactly constitutes a 'slasher'? I don't think there can be generally agreed upon definition and I don't see how it can be made without being too redundant with the existing 'horror' category. Indeed, 'Zombie' and 'Post-Apocalyptic' are to an extent redundant to each other (pretty much every zombie movie is a 'post-apocalyptic' movie as well, but not so vice-versa), and some other existing categories are redundant and/or extraneous already. If anything I think focus should be put on streamlining categories and eliminating ones that are redundant and unnecessary, rather than debating about adding even more. StanTheMan (talk) 22:10, 29 December 2013 (EST)
- Well...
- Zombie Films - films which feature dead/ill people behaving like a wild animal which in the core is a metaphor;
- Martial Arms - okay, I can agree with this one, though still: genre is strictly based on fight choreography so should not be confused with mixed-type action movies.
- Post-Apocalyptic - films that involve people surviving after the fall of the system in a slightly unrealistic (or greatly expanded) extreme circumstances.
- Slasher - a movie which involves a criminal (99% cases - a mix of mass murderer or serial killer) committing a series of graphically depicted crimes in restricted time and area and protagonist surviving this to a climatic battle.
As you can see, all of them are described in a few words as much easy (easier, in fact) then comedy, drama or even action movie. --Kloga (talk) 22:21, 29 December 2013 (EST)