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:If it is a DAO, would that not make it a 3954? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 03:53, 6 December 2013 (EST) | :If it is a DAO, would that not make it a 3954? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 03:53, 6 December 2013 (EST) | ||
:No. While both the 3914 DAO and the 3954 are both DAO pistols, the 3914 DAO has a different action than that of the 3954. There is no precocking on the 3914 DAO and there is also second strike capability, unlike the 3954. The 3914 DAO double action is just like a standard 3914's double action, there's just no transition to SA with the 3914 DAO. | :No. While both the 3914 DAO and the 3954 are both DAO pistols, the 3914 DAO has a different action than that of the 3954. There is no precocking on the 3914 DAO and there is also second strike capability, unlike the 3954. The 3914 DAO double action is just like a standard 3914's double action, there's just no transition to SA with the 3914 DAO. What gives the gun in the show away as a 3914 is that it doesn't have the extended frame toward the rear. If you google an image of a 3954 and a 3914, you'll see that the rear of the frame and slide on a 3954 extends back quite a bit more than a standard 3914SA/DA or 3914DAO. The standard DA/SA 3914 and the 3914 DAO frames are identical and look just like the gun in the show. Lastly, the giveaway that it's an NYPD Auth 3914DAO is as mentioned above, the lack of safety/decocker on the left side of the frame as well and the gold laser etching. I'll try to upload the screenshot of the other side. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] ([[User talk:Luckyluciano|talk]]) 19:36, 6 December 2013 (EST) | ||
== Not a CA-415 == | == Not a CA-415 == | ||
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Unknown submachine gun
A quick guess as to the unknown submachine gun; how about the Armscor BXP? PeeWee055 (talk) 06:24, 4 December 2013 (EST)
- I really can't make it out well enough to tell what it is, but a BXP is pretty unlikely for a production not filmed in South Africa. Whilst looking to try and find another shot of it, I found that one of the Wild Bunch carries a Special Weapons MP-10 with an EOTech and suppressor (can best be seen when you see them all in the back of the garbage truck and again when they are moving through the parking garage immediately after the title card), and another has a TDI Vector with an ACOG and suppressor (the last person who gets out of the truck although it is blurry, seen again in the background when Garrick is talking to Red as he starts treating Ressler's leg). --commando552 (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2013 (EST)
The one in the armory looks like a UMP, due to the open front, the other one to me looks like PP2000, don't throw rotten things at me. More likely its a MAC or MP9 or something along those lines, no way its a BXP. The second unknown pistol looks like a rubber prop, the front seems bent, it could be they both are since they are not used, pointed at anyone close to camera etc. --Iceman (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2013 (EST)
- I would agree with the UMP one, it also has that similar ramped rear to the front sight. I did briefly wonder if it was an MP-10 with the flashlight hider machined off (have seen this mod and it makes it look a lot like a UMP), but a plain UMP is probably more likely. As for the PP-2000 I did briefly think this as well, particularly with how the supporting grip looks like it is holding a small vertical grip like on the PP-2000. However there are a couple of things that rule it out. Firstly, this is a pretty odd weapon choice as this has only appeared in one film, of Russian origin. To have one show up in a fleeting background role in something filmed in New York seems pretty unlikely. Secondly, if you look at the bottom of the magazine you can see that it has a sort of lip at the bottom, like a UMP mag. Lastly this has a too large an ejection port to be a PP-2000. For both the TMP/MP-9 and the MAC I would say that there is too much receiver behind the ejection port, and in the case of the TMP the ejection port is too large, and as for the MAC this gun is too rounded and doesn't have the slope at the rear of the lower receiver. I can't come up with a match though, am starting to wonder if it is a conventional layout submachine gun that the person is just grasping by the mag well of something like that. --commando552 (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2013 (EST)
- I was sure that I saw a Vector too, but it looked too blurry that I thought it wasn't worth the time to get an image of it. Don't know if I can look through the episode again since I'll cap some images in the new episode. Ominae (talk) 20:57, 4 December 2013 (EST)
- I'll get a couple of image of them from Part 1 as I know where to look. --commando552 (talk) 04:20, 5 December 2013 (EST)
- I was sure that I saw a Vector too, but it looked too blurry that I thought it wasn't worth the time to get an image of it. Don't know if I can look through the episode again since I'll cap some images in the new episode. Ominae (talk) 20:57, 4 December 2013 (EST)
Could it be the Ekol UZI looking blank gun/gas pistol, it has appeared quite a lot in TV series and low budgets. I doubt its a real UZI ,for one there would be no reason to attach rails to it. I think the unknown mercenary rifle is either a SIG, or a FAL with an aftermarket stock, the old guy with the long hair also seemed to have the same AR type rifle as Ressler on the bridge, but with a different scope --Iceman (talk) 06:47, 5 December 2013 (EST)
Smith & Wesson 3914
The S&W 3914 used in this series is an NYPD DAO Auth. gun, not a standard 3914. It has no manual safety/docker levers on either side of the frame and fires double action only. These are authorized and issued for off-duty use along with a few others. There's another shot in the episode that shows the left side of the frame with no manual safety/docker and the typical gold laser S&W logo etching. --Luckyluciano (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2013 (EST)
- If it is a DAO, would that not make it a 3954? --commando552 (talk) 03:53, 6 December 2013 (EST)
- No. While both the 3914 DAO and the 3954 are both DAO pistols, the 3914 DAO has a different action than that of the 3954. There is no precocking on the 3914 DAO and there is also second strike capability, unlike the 3954. The 3914 DAO double action is just like a standard 3914's double action, there's just no transition to SA with the 3914 DAO. What gives the gun in the show away as a 3914 is that it doesn't have the extended frame toward the rear. If you google an image of a 3954 and a 3914, you'll see that the rear of the frame and slide on a 3954 extends back quite a bit more than a standard 3914SA/DA or 3914DAO. The standard DA/SA 3914 and the 3914 DAO frames are identical and look just like the gun in the show. Lastly, the giveaway that it's an NYPD Auth 3914DAO is as mentioned above, the lack of safety/decocker on the left side of the frame as well and the gold laser etching. I'll try to upload the screenshot of the other side. --Luckyluciano (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2013 (EST)
Not a CA-415
That's not a CA-415.
The receiver lacks the raised sight rail to accommodate the piston, and the rail system looks like a DD Lite Rail II 9.0. Spartan198 (talk) 06:38, 6 December 2013 (EST)
- Aside from the stock (easily changeable) I think that might be the same weapon that Ressler uses on the bridge in the first episode. It isn't the LWRC M6A2 that it is ID'd as either, because as you pointed out it has the DD rail. Can't tell if any of the other guns are LWRCs though as they aren't seen that closely. --commando552 (talk) 07:51, 6 December 2013 (EST)
Yeah I said the same about it being the same rifle, which is likely--Iceman (talk) 10:24, 6 December 2013 (EST)