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:::I mean, I know the whole "Walker is dead" thing Walt Williams rolled out, but that just means Walker never did anything or hurt anyone, which breaks the plot even more while trying to fix it. I can't really buy the idea that the errors are supposed to be representative of some sort of plot point; they were going for ''something'' with the appearing Deagles but I'm not sure even they knew what, but the rest seems more like straightforward errors. You should always be suspicious of any story rationalisation which can include anything but explains nothing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:52, 17 August 2013 (EDT) | :::I mean, I know the whole "Walker is dead" thing Walt Williams rolled out, but that just means Walker never did anything or hurt anyone, which breaks the plot even more while trying to fix it. I can't really buy the idea that the errors are supposed to be representative of some sort of plot point; they were going for ''something'' with the appearing Deagles but I'm not sure even they knew what, but the rest seems more like straightforward errors. You should always be suspicious of any story rationalisation which can include anything but explains nothing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:52, 17 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
::: I think you're missing the point behind the game. There's basically nothing about "DA HORRORS OF WAR" in the message, though it uses a lot of "reality ensues" moments to try and emphasize its point. The game is a deconstruction of the use of video games as a power fantasy, with Walker acting as an expy of the player: he does morally questionable things, often without thinking, in a vain effort to feel powerful and heroic and emulate typical action heroes, all while growing steadily more delusional. The lack of realism is an important part of the game. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 11:33, 21 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
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Just a suggestion, but could the unknown rifle be a Steyr Scout? Jimmoy 17:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
i have updated with some of the guns from the closed private invite only beta which is now up --Smish34 18:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I want to know the M4A1 rail that used in this game.
fictional of course Excalibur01 17:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
It's fictional, yeah. Spartan198 08:33, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot.but I saw it from some screen shot I think it were CAS-V from Vltor but somehow thanks very much.
- No, it's not a CAS-V. Admittedly it bears a bit of resemblance, but it isn't one. Spartan198 06:19, 15 December 2011 (CST)
Weapons list
The demo has the standard UE3 config format that holds all the weapon info.
Pistols
Deagle .50| Berreta M9A1| Glock 18| Sig P220| FNP45| Python Elite
SMGs
UMP45| P90| TDI Vector| Micro UZI| MP7
Shotguns
Mossberg 590A1| Benelli M1014| Sawn-off| AA-12
ARs
AKS-74U| OTs14 Groza| HK417| FAMAS| TAR-21| AK-47| AK-74| M4| SCAR
Snipers
Barrett M99| Steyr Elite| M110 SRSS| MSG90
LMGs
M249
Launchers
Milkor MGL| RPG
Heavy Weapons
M2E2| Minigun| Mk47 Striker
- Edited the list a bit so its more readable(Sorry if you take offence). --Mercury 16:03, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
Blue tape on handguard
Anybody else frustrated with that blue tape on the handguard of the AK?I know i saw it before in some other game, but have no luck finding it. Here's a image of it in Spec Ops
Do tell me if you know, 'cause it's been bugging me for a while now.--Mercury 16:03, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
I thing the AK-74 in Mercenaries 2 had some tape on it. BeardedHoplite 16:17, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
- There is no AK-74 in Mercenaries 2, at least in the PC version. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 06:24, 23 June 2012 (CDT)
- Hmm, I had it for the Xbox, but I could sworn there was a 74 in there. It had the same name and stats as the AKM, but it mighta been a AK-47 with the synthetic furniture and the 74 muzzle break. BeardedHoplite 16:43, 23 June 2012 (CDT)
- Looks like it might be Mercenaries 2, a little disappointed that the blue tape isn't on the hand-guard like in Spec Ops, but thanks anyway.Isn't blue tape around a mag to show that they are blanks?
Also according to Mercs2 page, AK47 is nowhere in any version of the game, AK-47 is just a silhouette for images.--Mercury 17:09, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
- He's referring to the AKM, which is present in Mercs 2. Spartan198 15:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
- Hey guys, Russian here, born and raised. This blue tape is the standard household/electrician's tape from the Soviet times. Quite shitty adhesion, but it was meant to elastically bond, like plumber's tape. Anyway, most likely the designers used reference photos taken in USSR or satellite countries, where this tape was available. It is rubbery to the touch, and elastic, so it's good for making grips less slippery - or making small repairs, of course, being basically duct tape. This info is absolutely reliable, 'cause I've both used this tape for many years as a kid, and seen it repeatedly on photos of AKs (used both for grips and to double-tape magazines). Oh, and it's called "izolenta", meaning (electrically)-insulating tape. --Tushan (talk) 00:58, 17 August 2013 (EDT)
- On a related note, soldiers in Afghan and both Chechen wars have also wound their brown rubber tourniquettes around their buttstocks, especially on AKMS, AKS-74 and AKSU-74U folding stock rifles with skeleton stocks. Some say it was to have a tourniquet handy (though it would lose it properties quite quickly this way), but probably it mostly helped to cheek-weld in case of metal skeleton stocks. Of course, during winter this was crucial to prevent the cheek freezing to the buttstock.--Tushan (talk) 00:58, 17 August 2013 (EDT)
Tired of the Desert Eagle
I am actually getting tired of seeing the Desert Eagle in the hands of military characters. When are game developers going to learn that the Desert Eagle stopped being cool after Arnold stopped making movies? Excalibur01 19:50, 25 June 2012 (CDT)
Desert Eagle is 'gangsta'. Doubt its going to go away any time soon. --DeltaOne 00:32, 26 June 2012 (CDT)
- If by "gangsta", you mean "perfect compensation for an exceptionally small penis", then yes, it is quite "gangsta". Spartan198 19:06, 19 July 2012 (CDT)
- Well, clearly Walker's ability to pull a Deagle out of his ass when injured is because he's Delta. You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. Evil Tim 04:46, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
- Yes, I am, my phone number is 0 and people call me when they can't find a phone number, yet I still don't understand. Spartan198 15:35, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
Double iron sights
I could be wrong, but while I am playing this I swear the M4 has 2 rear iron sights. It's got an A2 type that's positioned forward and a flip up one towards the rear. This is by far the most stupid sight configuration I've seen for this system. I mean, these guys are Delta, no optics on any of their guns at all Excalibur01 11:50, 27 June 2012 (CDT)
- They seem rather unprepared all over; I mean, no helmets is pretty standard for a game, but Walker's character model only has the PMAG on his chest he never uses with no other ammo and nowhere he could be carrying any, and they don't seem to have bought packs, night vision gear, sunglasses, grenades or really anything much of anything. Nevermind a three-man team having a spotterless bolt-action sniper rifle rather than a DMR and a guy lugging around a SAW and a shotgun for no clear reason. Evil Tim (talk) 12:16, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
While looking up things for a video series on this I'm planning, I found something rather odd:
Originally it actually did have a reflex optic and a flip-up front sight, but for some reason they changed it to a standard front sight and second rear sight. Though in that trailer the M4 has a reciprocating charging handle (!) so it's not like it was right then either. Evil Tim (talk) 15:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
M4 suppressors
I took out the comment of removing the flash hider before adding the suppressor for the M4, since there are flash hiders, or muzzle attachments that are threaded outside for QD suppressors Excalibur01 13:35, 24 July 2012 (CDT)
Mortar scene
So I've been recording this game, and I noticed that the mortar sequence is impossible in at least four different ways.
- The mortar has a milder version of the magic TARDIS rounds from Homefront. The M722 smoke round for the M224 weighs a mighty 3.7 rounds, and when you take into account the tail, fuze, bursting charge, propelling charge and so on, that's probably all of 1 pound of WP per round.
- Which doesn't matter, because it has an impact fuze and so the only way to hurt someone with it would be to land a round on top of them, in which case they'd be more worried about the bursting charge blowing their head off.
- Which doesn't matter either, because the minimum range of the mortar is 70 metres, which is close to the maximum range Walker fires it at.
- Which also doesn't matter, because there's only one round shown in the vicinity of the mortar, and it's the camera round.
So the central plot event of the game is caused by the team firing rounds they don't have to somewhere they couldn't hit, detonating in a way they can't and doing damage they couldn't possibly do. Thus, um, showing the...true...horror...um... Evil Tim (talk) 08:48, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
Wow. I thought this game was just a generic cover-based TPS hiding behind it's plot and messages, but THAT is just laughable. Did they even bother to research for that scene? Gunmaster2011 1:52AM, 08/08/2013
- I doubt it. It seems they based the detonations on 155mm artillery rounds and the burned bodies are based on images of people who were killed in massive building fires ignited by WP, not on people who had direct impact burns (which are very nasty, but not the all-over burns you see in the game). Nevermind that if you try to hit something you're not supposed to in that sequence (the fuel tanks to the top left, the tent to the top right or any moving vehicle) the game completely ignores it because they want the camp to look a certain way when you walk through it. Evil Tim (talk) 03:07, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
- Well, [SPOILERS] given that everything we see in the game is either completely made up or altered to a degree by increasingly insane Walker, it's possible that the effects of the WP are heavily altered in his eyes either/or by his guilt for what he had done, or somehow demonizing Konrad even more for "forcing" Walker to use the WP.
- Yeah, but since the game is all TRUE HORRORS OF WAR over that moment, the fact that it's literally impossible does undermine it a great deal. I can't see how, no matter how insane he is, Walker would suddenly think a portable mortar would have non-conservation-of-mass rounds with the effects of divisional artillery fire. Or why the mortar itself would play along with it.
- I mean, I know the whole "Walker is dead" thing Walt Williams rolled out, but that just means Walker never did anything or hurt anyone, which breaks the plot even more while trying to fix it. I can't really buy the idea that the errors are supposed to be representative of some sort of plot point; they were going for something with the appearing Deagles but I'm not sure even they knew what, but the rest seems more like straightforward errors. You should always be suspicious of any story rationalisation which can include anything but explains nothing. Evil Tim (talk) 10:52, 17 August 2013 (EDT)
- I think you're missing the point behind the game. There's basically nothing about "DA HORRORS OF WAR" in the message, though it uses a lot of "reality ensues" moments to try and emphasize its point. The game is a deconstruction of the use of video games as a power fantasy, with Walker acting as an expy of the player: he does morally questionable things, often without thinking, in a vain effort to feel powerful and heroic and emulate typical action heroes, all while growing steadily more delusional. The lack of realism is an important part of the game. Chitoryu12 (talk) 11:33, 21 July 2014 (EDT)