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:Where do you guys even got this number 1000? This number never even was considered as an initial purchase number. The only time I read something like that was somewhere where someone wrote some crap about a contianer with 1000 G11s stolen by some Nazis in England or so. And if ask someone on HKPro ask some one who not just tried it out, only trying somethink doesn't qualify in development history. In other words you can't ask the guys and girls who tested the ACR model during the ACR-Tests for production numbers, because they were not part of deleopment or production but testing for the US Army so they could answer you questions like how it shoots and how you get recruited for testing ( some of the testers even had only shot the M16 before the ACR). Or ask me for production numbers of the Gebirgsjäger, I have tired it out ( and can say that is a brutal little thing) but I have no idea who produced it, how many were ever produced or wich units in detail got these in wich number ( of course I can look some of this up in books but thats not the piont here). --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 06:38, 2 December 2012 (EST) | :Where do you guys even got this number 1000? This number never even was considered as an initial purchase number. The only time I read something like that was somewhere where someone wrote some crap about a contianer with 1000 G11s stolen by some Nazis in England or so. And if ask someone on HKPro ask some one who not just tried it out, only trying somethink doesn't qualify in development history. In other words you can't ask the guys and girls who tested the ACR model during the ACR-Tests for production numbers, because they were not part of deleopment or production but testing for the US Army so they could answer you questions like how it shoots and how you get recruited for testing ( some of the testers even had only shot the M16 before the ACR). Or ask me for production numbers of the Gebirgsjäger, I have tired it out ( and can say that is a brutal little thing) but I have no idea who produced it, how many were ever produced or wich units in detail got these in wich number ( of course I can look some of this up in books but thats not the piont here). --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 06:38, 2 December 2012 (EST) | ||
::Can both sides cite their sources? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 08:47, 2 December 2012 (EST) | ::Can both sides cite their sources? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 08:47, 2 December 2012 (EST) | ||
::: Heckler und Koch Oberndorf --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 10:40, 2 December 2012 (EST) | |||
== G11K1 (Konstruktionsstand 1) == | == G11K1 (Konstruktionsstand 1) == | ||
The current picture used to show a G11K1 actually shows some kind of transition from K1 to K2. | The current picture used to show a G11K1 actually shows some kind of transition from K1 to K2. | ||
The forearm is from a K1, reciever and buttstock are from a K2, you can tell by the different trigger guard and the raised lines for for the extra magazines ports/wells. Does some one know where this picture is from? As far as I know the K1 and K2 bodies aren't compatible. --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 12:37, 30 November 2012 (EST) | The forearm is from a K1, reciever and buttstock are from a K2, you can tell by the different trigger guard and the raised lines for for the extra magazines ports/wells. Does some one know where this picture is from? As far as I know the K1 and K2 bodies aren't compatible. --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 12:37, 30 November 2012 (EST) | ||
Revision as of 15:40, 2 December 2012
Site introduction
The information stated in the introduction is wrong there were only 265 G11s ever made, so the mentioned 1000 units were never produced. Unless you have a better source than first hand information I would think the mentioned 1000 are misleading. In addition to that it was not only developed in the 80s it was developed from 1968 to 1990 and only the last K2 and K2/3 had 45 round magazines every other had 50 rounds --DAN11 (talk) 07:50, 1 December 2012 (EST)
- And you have first hand knowledge...How, exactly? I'm not saying you don't, but I'm not going to accept you saying that without explanation. Evil Tim (talk) 08:33, 1 December 2012 (EST)
- I have indeed, lets say there were some very rare occasions in the past where one was able to get his hands on these information and I was lucky :) --DAN11 (talk) 19:31, 1 December 2012 (EST)
I do know that there is at least one person who tried out a G11 on HKPro. I'll have to drop them a line and see if they have any interesting information.Rockwolf66 (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2012 (EST)
- You should ask for G3k he knows it for sure --DAN11 (talk) 19:39, 1 December 2012 (EST)
- Where do you guys even got this number 1000? This number never even was considered as an initial purchase number. The only time I read something like that was somewhere where someone wrote some crap about a contianer with 1000 G11s stolen by some Nazis in England or so. And if ask someone on HKPro ask some one who not just tried it out, only trying somethink doesn't qualify in development history. In other words you can't ask the guys and girls who tested the ACR model during the ACR-Tests for production numbers, because they were not part of deleopment or production but testing for the US Army so they could answer you questions like how it shoots and how you get recruited for testing ( some of the testers even had only shot the M16 before the ACR). Or ask me for production numbers of the Gebirgsjäger, I have tired it out ( and can say that is a brutal little thing) but I have no idea who produced it, how many were ever produced or wich units in detail got these in wich number ( of course I can look some of this up in books but thats not the piont here). --DAN11 (talk) 06:38, 2 December 2012 (EST)
- Can both sides cite their sources? --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:47, 2 December 2012 (EST)
G11K1 (Konstruktionsstand 1)
The current picture used to show a G11K1 actually shows some kind of transition from K1 to K2. The forearm is from a K1, reciever and buttstock are from a K2, you can tell by the different trigger guard and the raised lines for for the extra magazines ports/wells. Does some one know where this picture is from? As far as I know the K1 and K2 bodies aren't compatible. --DAN11 (talk) 12:37, 30 November 2012 (EST)