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Would ''anyone'', even a federal agent, be legally allowed to have such a stockpile of hardware like Frank has in his personal possession? I mean, I could feasibly see him having short-barreled shotguns, M4s and M16s, as many pistols as his heart desires, and even the grenade launchers, but hand grenades, Claymore mines, those unIDed AP mines? Seems like that stuff would be so heavily controlled in post-9/11 America that even LEOs would have difficulty acquiring them. I realize he wouldn't be the Punisher without enough weapons and ammo to outgun and conquer a small country single-handedly, but still. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 11:21, 16 October 2012 (EDT) | Would ''anyone'', even a federal agent, be legally allowed to have such a stockpile of hardware like Frank has in his personal possession? I mean, I could feasibly see him having short-barreled shotguns, M4s and M16s, as many pistols as his heart desires, and even the grenade launchers, but hand grenades, Claymore mines, those unIDed AP mines? Seems like that stuff would be so heavily controlled in post-9/11 America that even LEOs would have difficulty acquiring them. I realize he wouldn't be the Punisher without enough weapons and ammo to outgun and conquer a small country single-handedly, but still. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 11:21, 16 October 2012 (EDT) | ||
:This is yet another issue with the film, in the graphic novels he had Micro who supplied him with pretty much all of his weaponry, he wouldn't really be able to have such a stockpile as a normal Federal Agent, he could have POSSIBLY had them if he was HRT or SWAT and had gotten away with "liberating" them from the armoury. But why would he have? More plotholes than a siv in this film which is so annoying, a Punisher film done right could be right up with films like Heat, Taxi Driver, The Town etc. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 12:18, 16 October 2012 (EDT) | :This is yet another issue with the film, in the graphic novels he had Micro who supplied him with pretty much all of his weaponry, he wouldn't really be able to have such a stockpile as a normal Federal Agent, he could have POSSIBLY had them if he was HRT or SWAT and had gotten away with "liberating" them from the armoury. But why would he have? More plotholes than a siv in this film which is so annoying, a Punisher film done right could be right up with films like Heat, Taxi Driver, The Town etc. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 12:18, 16 October 2012 (EDT) | ||
::What would HRT and SWAT need Claymores (which can hit you from a football field away) and frag grenades for, though? They kill too indiscriminately to be used in situations where hostages and/or innocent bystanders are likely to be close by or used as human shields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:15, 17 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
Revision as of 09:15, 17 October 2012
Now because I'm so nice, I've added screencaps of the Knives and Cars used in the film. Since I know little about either, feel free to add your own knowledge and such. With the cars, I only added the ones used by main characters, random cars passing by weren't a big deal. -GM
The following knifes were used in the film:
The Cutlery of The Punisher (2004)
Butterfly Knife
Castle takes a butterfly knife off of Joan's ex-boyfriend and uses it through out the film, notably when fighting The Russian, who turns it against him and stabs him in the shoulder. Thomas Jane was taught how to do tricks with the knife, and clearly was taught well, as he flawlessly spins the knife in the film several times.
Kitchen Knife
Some simple kitchens knives are used in the film. Castle Sr. uses one to stab a hitter in the back and Joan is seen holding one when her ex-boyfriend is trying to get into her apartment.
Spring-loaded Launching Stiletto
When Harry Heck totals Castle's car, he pulls a Stiletto Knife from his ankle, which Heck remarks, "You are one dumb sonavabitch, bringin' a knife to a gunfight," to which Castle responds by launching the blade from the knife into Heck's throat. While ballistic knives do exist in real life and work somewhat well, they have much stronger springs to accurately launch the blade, while the spring strength in a modified stiletto would not likely work as well.
Emerson Combat Karambit
Castle uses a Emerson Karambit tiger-claw style folding blade with a satin finish to kill a thug in Saint's club.
Spyderco Harpy
A half serrated Spyderco Harpy folder is used by Lincoln and turned against him by Castle.
Looks too big to be a Harpy. It is probably a Civilian, or perhaps a different Spyderco Hawkbill style knife.
It's a Civilian. It's fully serrated as well. (most likely it would do considerably more damage against thin cheek flesh.)
Paper Cutter
Castle unhooks a Paper Cutter blade from its base and uses it to kill one of the thugs guarding the apartment.
Stiletto Knife
Howard Saint pulls out a Stiletto knife as he tells Quintin Glass how Jim Bowie used to throw a knife to the ground and fight someone if they declared he was cheating. Accusing Glass of cheating with his wife (which Castle had tricked Saint into believing), he stabs Glass to death with the knife.
Cold Steel Warhead
Castle uses two Cold Steel Warhead knives to kill Lincoln, first pinning his hand to his hip, than thrusting a knife through his chin into his brain.
These aren't really cold steel knives it's this one brand that I really want to know.
They could be Strider Knives, they look similar to the MT models, here's a link. [1] Gunner313
The Vehicles of The Punisher (2004)
The following cars were used in The Punisher (2004):
Note: These are cars important to the story. No random passing cars.
Pontiac GTO
Castle uses a Pontiac GTO as his vehicle. The license plate reads "Year One", the company who built the car. It does not mean any reference to the fact the film is based on the "Year One" comic.
Plymouth Road Runner
Harry Heck's car is a 1968 Plymouth Road Runner. Most easily distinguished from the front end and the nonfunctional "hood scoops" on the hood. Though this could've been a redressed Belvedere, Satellite, Coronet, or Superbee, which along with the Road Runner and GTX were essentially the same vehicle.
not a Dart
Ford F-150 1981 Pickup
John Saint drives a Red Ford F-150 1981 Pickup with Dante and Spoon riding in the back and Glass in the passenger's side. He uses it to run over Will and Maria Castle.
- Just two years older than my own Ford F150 I had up until a couple years ago. Spartan198 09:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Triumph Daytona 500
Castle hops on a Triumph in pursuit of the men chasing his wife and son.
Chevy Blazer
Maria Castle's Car.
1998 Corvette
Mike Duka's car.
Reproduction Ford GT40
A rubbish looking GT40 knockoff, barely resembles a REAL GT40, but passes as one to the casual viewer.
Shelby Cobra
John Saint's Car.
Jaguar XK8
Olivia Saint's car.
Bentley Arnage
Howard Saint's car.
Jaguar XJR
Quentin Glass' Car
Ford Mustang
Jimmy Weeks' car is a 2004 Ford Mustang, seen in the extended cut only.
Taxi Cab
Dave is driven home from the hospital in a typical Taxi Cab. Looks to be a Chevy Lumina.
The Stevens 311
Recent observation seems to suggest that the double barrels are not Stevens 311s. Looking at the lower part of the receiver right were it meets the foregrip, there should be large indentations as seen in the Stevens picture, yet they aren't present.
- Re-read the article, they have been determined to be Spanish Eibar copies, which don't feature the indentations. - Gunmaster45
Alright then, you think the notion in the paragraph is enough, or should the heading be changed to reflect that? RedJedRevolver
Also, how were they determined to be that? Could they possibly be the 311H?
Specials
Where's the Special footage from? I got the extended DVD, it doesn't have that.-protoAuthor
- The special footage comes from the original theatrical release, actually. Spartan198 21:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I actually got that and never bothered to delete my question. I now have pretty much every version of every punisher film.-protoAuthor 00:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Alias Same 1911 Custom
In the Alias "Legacy" episode Michael Vartan uses a 1911 customized like the Punisher's pistols. The year of the episode is the same of the film: 2004. Maybe there is a connection... Charly Driver
- One of Punisher's 1911s (or something very close to it) shows up in the hands of Dolph Lundgren in The Expendables, too... Funny, because Dolph once played the Punisher.--Leigh Burne 02:59, 11 May 2012 (CDT)
Totally just thought about this
- Because this picture is of Frank and his Delta buddies in the Gulf in '91, he would technically be holding a M727 or M723. God i have random thoughts. -The Winchester
- Story-wise, yes. But production-wise, it could probably be the same M4 he used to shoot Saints and Sinners up, with the M203 removed, carry handle replaced, and fabric wrapping to cover the rail system. Spartan198 21:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yea thats what i ment. They do get 10 points for having the guys in that pic wear the ugly and oudated 8-color chocolate chip pattern. -The Winchester
- Story-wise, yes. But production-wise, it could probably be the same M4 he used to shoot Saints and Sinners up, with the M203 removed, carry handle replaced, and fabric wrapping to cover the rail system. Spartan198 21:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
1911 Action
I was watching this movie the other day and noticed every time Castle racks his 1911's slide while not in combat it looks like he flips a switch on the front of the slide where it meets the compensator. Any ideas on what he's actually doing? If someone needs a screencap for clarification I can upload one. -Mandaloin 174.18.152.170 07:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
It looks like he is doing a "press check" or "brass check" to me. He grasps the front cocking serrations on the slide, pulls the slide back slightly to check to see if a round or brass is in the barrel. -Scott
Stand-alone launcher
Doesn't look like a cobray, but more like a K.A.S. system itself, the trigger and grip don't match the cobray style or placement, suggest revising.
It's niether the Cobray or the KAC or Colt standalone system... It's an RM Equipment 203PI pistol(newer than the original top folding stock version, but older than the current side folding M4 stock) Or more like the Tokyo Marui airsoft version. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/reviews/m203_pistol/m203_pistol_review.htm
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Micro Uzi
Micro uzis have a side folding stock and a different trigger guard, these are semi auto uzi pistols converted to full auto.
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Glock 18
I'm sure it was meant to be potrayed as a G18, but more than likely it wasn't. Probably just a G17(without even an autosear to make it shoot like a G18). Never seen a movie with a real G18...
Matrix reloaded has a real glock 18
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1911 Compensators
Are these a real model of compensator or just a Hollywood prop?
Looks real to me. -Winn
They look like the comp kit from kings gunworks.
Definitely NOT from Kings Gunworks. Kings only has round compensators. The ones in the movie match the shape of the end of the slide. I suggest they are from Gan's Enterprises in Pennsylvania. http://www.gansguns.com/MAINCOMPS.html
- If you mean are the compensators functional, the answer is no. Otherwise, the muzzle flash wouldn't be so huge (of course, the weapon is also firing full-flash motion picture blanks, which have more powder than live rounds). Compensators and suppressors are almost never functional in Hollywood movies; audiences like to see huge muzzle flashes. -MT2008 16:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if they weren't functional, then why does the flash redirect upward at the porting? Doesn't that prove that the compensator is functional, otherwise the flash would extend forward only. Maybe if they were mounted on a real gun, the effect wouldn't be that noticeable, but real compensators aren't deemed compensators based on their quality, but by the very fact that they redirect gases upward, which these appear to be doing.--Mr-Jigsaw 04:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I think you should understand that blanks give off no recoil to really affect the actor. The Compensators probably would work if the gun was firing live ammo and no blank adapted but in this movie, the purpose of the compensator is for the pretty muzzle flash that is caused from the blanks that are designed to give you more flash than real life gun shots. Excalibur01 06:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
The Castle family in the "9mm vs. 45" debate...
There's a funny scene in the novel (and maybe the extended cut of the film, haven't seen it yet) where Frank makes a comment about his father's love of 1911s. Frank Sr. responds something to the effect of: "You may mock, my friend. Just don't come crying to me when you shoot a crackhead full of 9mm and he responds by breaking your pissy little Glock over your head!"
It will most likely have been in the original script which is what novels are usually written from hence they have all the deleted scenes that didn't make it into either theatrical or directors cuts. Aliens is a very good example of this as it has the deleted scene where Ripley finds Burke and gives him a grenade to kill himself with. That scene is in neither the theatrical or the "special edition" director's cut. --cool-breeze 15:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
That scene was the same in the extended cut as it was in the theatrical release, no debating 9mm over .45 or remarks about "pissy little Glocks". Spartan198 23:01, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
In the movies no, but he's talking about the novel. Kornflakes89 00:54, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
Mossberg 500/Armscor
I'm pretty sure the weapon listed as a Mossberg 500 is actually a cut down Armscor shotgun. This notion was entertained awhile back with a small caption at the beginning of the listing, but it was taken down and never placed in here to properly be analyzed. There are some additional movies that probably feature the same gun, but the only one I can remember was Red Dragon. My arguments are these: first, the safety placement is on the front of the trigger guard, not behind the chamber, and secondly, there seems to be a checkered pattern imprinted on the bolt, both of which are unique features of Armscor shotguns. Should the entry be changed? --ZeoRanger5 04:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I found the shotgun in the 1965 Gun Digest edition. It's a J.C. Higgins Model 21. --Jcordell 21:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Seriously though
WTF is up with guy? Every time I've seen this film, this bugs the shiz out of me 65.29.239.251 01:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- What's wrong with him? Spartan198 22:54, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
- hes holding the gun like a moron.Simmons 8492
Thomas Jane - Punisher Cap
First: I dont know if this is the right place, if its not, im sorry.
Sencond: Where can i buy the cap Thomas Jane is wearing?
eBay or Amazon. Kornflakes89 00:56, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
Harry Heck's Revolver
The revolver that Harry Heck is using looks similar to the one that Fat Bastard used in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me. It has the same placement of the front sight. It looks to be a Dan Wesson if not the same revolver from Austin Powers because the barrel looks a little different. humanzie3
Aimpoint Mount
Am I correct to assume the way the Aimpoint is mounted on Castle's M4 the front sight post would block the red dot as it's an L mount instead of the cantilever mount. I had an issue with an Aimpoint on a L mount on my airsoft M4 and now I've got the cantilever mount it's perfect. --cool-breeze 02:56, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
The red dot should be right on top of his front sight...it should line up.--Spades of Columbia 03:18, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
Isn't the red dot meant to be just above the front sight post though? --cool-breeze 01:49, 7 March 2011 (MSK)
The Tec-9...
Is not a Tec-9. It is a KG-99, the select-fire version of the Tec-9 (they are almost identical in external appearance). The armorer did NOT convert a Tec-9 to select fire, machine guns have been illegal to produce for anyone except military or law enforcement agencies since 1986 (18 years before this movie was made).
Many KG-99s were legally registered pre-1986, and it is likely that one was used for this movie (or the shots were movie-edited).
- You have guys have no idea what you are talking about. Armorers are not regular civilians like you or I. They are licensed Class III manufacturers/dealers who can purchase machine guns that have manufactured since the 1986 FOPA. How do you think that you're able to see weapons such as H&K G36s or FN P90s in movies (neither of which were around in 1986)? MoviePropMaster2008, our resident armorer/photographer, has taken pictures of post-86 "dealer samples" that are from either his or other armorers' inventory, all of which are converted to blank-fire for movie use. -MT2008 10:04, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
Taurus Model 689
Harry Heck ditches his Striker when Castle totals his GTO and gets out, armed with a Taurus Model 689. Castle pulls out a spring loaded stiletto (basically an amateur ballistics knife) and fires it into his neck before he can use it. Castle than takes the gun and leaves in Heck's Satellite.
[Edit: This pistol actually appears to be a Dan Wesson. Notice the placement of the front sight, the flat profile of the vent ribs on top, the shape of the barrel (particularly the shape of the underlug) and the shape of the grip.]
- This is from someone who does not understand what a discussion page is. Evil Tim 09:59, 19 November 2011 (CST)
Weapons Stockpile
Would anyone, even a federal agent, be legally allowed to have such a stockpile of hardware like Frank has in his personal possession? I mean, I could feasibly see him having short-barreled shotguns, M4s and M16s, as many pistols as his heart desires, and even the grenade launchers, but hand grenades, Claymore mines, those unIDed AP mines? Seems like that stuff would be so heavily controlled in post-9/11 America that even LEOs would have difficulty acquiring them. I realize he wouldn't be the Punisher without enough weapons and ammo to outgun and conquer a small country single-handedly, but still. Spartan198 (talk) 11:21, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
- This is yet another issue with the film, in the graphic novels he had Micro who supplied him with pretty much all of his weaponry, he wouldn't really be able to have such a stockpile as a normal Federal Agent, he could have POSSIBLY had them if he was HRT or SWAT and had gotten away with "liberating" them from the armoury. But why would he have? More plotholes than a siv in this film which is so annoying, a Punisher film done right could be right up with films like Heat, Taxi Driver, The Town etc. --cool-breeze (talk) 12:18, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
- What would HRT and SWAT need Claymores (which can hit you from a football field away) and frag grenades for, though? They kill too indiscriminately to be used in situations where hostages and/or innocent bystanders are likely to be close by or used as human shields. Spartan198 (talk) 05:15, 17 October 2012 (EDT)