Black Hawk Down: Difference between revisions
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[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Nelson firing his M60.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Trivia: A stray dog can be seen next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Riley Scott however ignored this and decided to keep them in to make the movie more realistic. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States with them.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Somali fires an M60 at the humvees. Trivia: A stray dog can be seen next to the Humvee. During production, the set was frequently disturbed by stray dogs running into the shots. Ridley Scott however ignored this and decided to keep them in to make the movie more realistic. Eight stray dogs were adopted by various members of production and taken back to the United States with them.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalis.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
[[Image:Black_hawk_down_m60_in_uh60.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Nelson with the M60 just before the insertion.]]
The Delta operators mainly wield the M727 and M733 variants of the Colt Commando. The M727 variant is identified by its A2 upper receiver and 14.5" barrel with the cutout for mounting an M203 grenade launcher; the M733 has the shorter 11.5" barrel. Staff Sergeant Daniel Busch (Richard Tyson) is the first Delta member on screen, and also the first soldier we see carrying an M727. All Delta members carry M727s and M733s, fitted with various accessories such as Aimpoint scopes and Surefire flashlights. Master Sergeant Gary Gordon (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) can be seen carrying an M733 featuring a camouflage paint scheme and a sound suppressor, which is then used by Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant (Ron Eldard) to pick off several more Somalis before running out of ammunition and being overwhelmed.
The Delta Force operators arm themselves differently from the Rangers by using customized Colt Model 727 and 733 rifles as opposed to longer, heavier M16A2 rifles. Many are fitted with such accessories as Aimpoint red dot scopes and Surefire tactical lights (with the pressure switch taped to the handguard with 100mph or electrical tape). Some of the Colts have camouflage paint schemes, and some of them are fitted with 14.5" barrels with M203 cuts (M727).
While the Rangers are armed almost entirely with M16A2 rifles, Captain Mike Steele (Jason Isaacs) uses a Colt Model 733 carbine, noted by the 11.5" barrel and fixed carry handle, with nothing modified or changed. SFC "Doc" Schmid (Hugh Dancy) also uses a Model 733, presumably because as a medic, he would need a lighter, more versatile weapon to move quickly to wounded soldiers.
Delta Force MSG Gary Gordon (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) uses an M733 carbine modified with a camouflage paint scheme, M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, weaponlight, and a sound suppressor. Shughart gives this rifle to the wounded Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant, who uses it before it runs out of ammo.
Some of the Deltas Operators are seen using Colt Commando CAR-15 carbines with the original long type muzzle brake, which are also heavily customized. There is a high possibility they are built from several Commando types so a definite I.D. isn't certain unless the armorer can verify it.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingA civilian AR-15 modified to look like an XM177 5.56x45mm (note that this is NOT the model seen in the film, which has an M16A2-style receiver. However, it's similar.)Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe Delta operator on the right provides cover with his CAR-15 rifle.Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe Delta operator with a CAR-15 on the right as the men make their way to the crash site.Error creating thumbnail: File missingA Delta operator fires on a Somali .50 cal gunner with his CAR-15. Note the M16A2 receiver and M68 Aimpoint: the weapon could be the same used in Blood Diamond, since the weapons were supplied by the same company in both films.
Colt M4 carbine
Hoot (Eric Bana) seems to use an Colt M4 carbine with the same customizations and paint job as the Commando rifles when doing solo operations in Somalia, noted by its removable carry handle. He uses it to shoot a wild boar from a chopper, and is chastised by CPT Steele (Jason Isaacs) for keeping the weapon's safety off in the barracks. One of the Deltas is also seen using an M4 carbine during the operation itself.
A bit of anachronism here, both the M4 and M4A1 entered service in 1997, 4 years after the events of this film (in 1993), so the M4 should technically not be in Hoot's hands. The probable reason was the fact that most of the earlier M16 Carbines are hard to come by, so they needed something to fill that gap.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingColt M4 carbine - 5.56x45mm NATOError creating thumbnail: File missing"Who's hungry?" Hoot readies his M4 carbine to shoot a wild boar. Note flashlight pressure switch attached to the handguards with electric tape. Also note that Hoot racks the action twice; once when he boards the chopper, and another time when he readies to shoot the boar.Error creating thumbnail: File missingCPT Steele points out to Hoot that, whether an undisciplined Delta Operator or not, his M4 carbine should be safeties-on at all times on base. Hoot then replies, "This is my safety", and bends his trigger finger. Note the knobs on the carry handle used to remove it from the gun and custom pistol grip are those typically seen on the M4 (which was not in service at the time of the raid). Also note that this particular weapon is quite clearly a rubber prop version, which are normally used only for stunt work.Error creating thumbnail: File missingA Delta operator breaches and clears with an M4 carbine in hand. Note the removable carry handle.
M16A2 Rifle
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann (Josh Hartnett) are armed with M16A2 rifles. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart (Johnny Strong) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his M14. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingColt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Eversmann (Josh Hartnett) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSGT Mike Goodale (Carmine Giovinazzo) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Goodale (Carmine Giovinazzo) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.Error creating thumbnail: File missingDelta Force SFC Randy Shughart (Johnny Strong) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "In the Company of Heroes" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper.Error creating thumbnail: File missingProbably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. Well, this situation seems to be a "damn good reason".
Special
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.
M14 Rifle
The M14 rifle is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart (Johnny Strong), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
M16A1 rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film The Jerk where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.
Spanish CETME rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not Heckler & Koch G3s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the Norinco Type 56-1 assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the AKS-47/AKMS. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.
Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti), the Somali militia leader, carries an AKS-74U as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson (Ewen Bremner) can be seen carrying an M60 machine gun as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.
Several Rangers can be seen carrying FN Minimis throughout the film, standing in for the M249-E1 SAW. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly (Tom Hardy) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Tombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.
The Browning M2HB heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
During the slaughter of the crowd, the U.S. forces hovering in the MH-60 aren't cleared to fire the General Dynamics GAU-17/A miniguns mounted on their Black Hawk. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are also carried by the AH-6 Little Birds and rain lead in several scenes.
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an Zastava M72B1, a copy of the RPK light machine gun, identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.
Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant (Ron Eldard), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually MP5Ks. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson (William Fichtner) can be seen with a customized Remington 870 Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by Charlie Sheen in the movie Navy SEALs. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an 870 Masterkey attached to his CAR-15.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingRemington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)Error creating thumbnail: File missingSanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.Error creating thumbnail: File missingA close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.Error creating thumbnail: File missingReceiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.
Handguns
M1911A1
We see the M1911A1 pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex (Kim Coates) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
A Somali militiaman uses a Tokarev TT-33 to kill SFC Shughart (Johnny Strong) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
The Beretta 92FS pistol (standing in for the M9) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.
The Russian manufactured RPG-7 features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight (Tom Sizemore)'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese Norinco Type 69 RPG launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an M72A3. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.
At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an SPG-9 recoilless rifle. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
While the Cobray CM203 37mm launchers are fitted on most of the Ranger's M16A2 rifles, a couple of actual M203 grenade launchers attached to M16A2s are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes (Ewan McGregor) who assists Delta in taking out a technical that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.
While loading up for the assault, Hoot (Eric Bana) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some M67 fragmentation hand grenades. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.
There are several appearances in the film of AN/M14 incendiary grenades; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.
