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=Submachine Guns= | |||
==M3 "Grease Gun"== | ==M3 "Grease Gun"== | ||
The most commonly seen gun in the film is the older [[M3 Grease Gun|M3 "Grease Gun"]]. It is not an M3A1 model because the guns clearly have external charging handles on the right side while the M3A1 as divots in the bolt so the bolt can be pinched and pulled back. They also have a much higher rate of fire than the M3A1 model. Prison Military Police guards are seen using them, as well as practically every member of the ''Dirty Dozen'', most notably Major Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) during several scenes in basic training. In reality, the Grease Gun was never fielded in such great numbers but was likely the easiest gun for the film armorers to acquire. | The most commonly seen gun in the film is the older [[M3 Grease Gun|M3 "Grease Gun"]]. It is not an M3A1 model because the guns clearly have external charging handles on the right side while the M3A1 as divots in the bolt so the bolt can be pinched and pulled back. They also have a much higher rate of fire than the M3A1 model. Prison Military Police guards are seen using them, as well as practically every member of the ''Dirty Dozen'', most notably Major Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) during several scenes in basic training. In reality, the Grease Gun was never fielded in such great numbers but was likely the easiest gun for the film armorers to acquire. | ||
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[[Image:DDM3GreaseGun-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Franko gets shot by a German soldier with a... Grease Gun?. While the soldier could have captured this gun (as some did during WWII), it is likely they mixed it up with the MP40 he should be using.]] | [[Image:DDM3GreaseGun-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Franko gets shot by a German soldier with a... Grease Gun?. While the soldier could have captured this gun (as some did during WWII), it is likely they mixed it up with the MP40 he should be using.]] | ||
==MP40== | |||
Germans are inaccurately seen armed mainly with [[MP40]] submachine guns. | |||
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9mm.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier armed with an MP40 gets shot by Pinkley ([[Donald Sutherland]]).]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German shoots Pinkley ([[Donald Sutherland]]) with his MP40.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the German is shot, he drops his MP40 and it goes off. The bolt lock was applied for this very reason but it is obvious he didn't have time to lock it before being killed.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German fires his MP40, eyes closed.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German reaches for his MP40 after playing dead.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German fires his MP40 at the members of the Dozen on the armored vehicle.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German with an MP40 prepares to shoot Jefferson ([[Jim Brown]]).]] | |||
[[Image:DDMP40-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German fires his MP40 at Lever ([[Stuart Cooper]]) and Sawyer ([[Colin Maitland]]) on the boat.]] | |||
=Rifles= | |||
==M1 Garand== | ==M1 Garand== | ||
While the [[M1 Garand]] was the most heavily fielded weapon of the U.S. Military during WWII, it is seen somewhat scarcely in the film, mainly in the hands of M&Ps and some of the members of the ''Dirty Dozen'' during the war games. | While the [[M1 Garand]] was the most heavily fielded weapon of the U.S. Military during WWII, it is seen somewhat scarcely in the film, mainly in the hands of M&Ps and some of the members of the ''Dirty Dozen'' during the war games. | ||
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[[Image:DDM1A1Carbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Reisman's men disarms one of Breed's men of his M1A1 Carbine.]] | [[Image:DDM1A1Carbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Reisman's men disarms one of Breed's men of his M1A1 Carbine.]] | ||
==Karabiner 98k== | |||
German soldiers carry [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles during the final shootout at the mansion. Like many WWII films from 1960-1980, the [[MP40]] submachine gun is inaccurately shown as the main weapon of the German army instead of the Kar98k. | |||
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm.]] | |||
[[Image:DDKar98k-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two Germans that get killed outside the gate are armed with Karabiner 98k.]] | |||
[[Image:DDKar98k-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German on patrol with a Kar98k slung over his back.]] | |||
[[Image:DDKar98k-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with a Kar98k.]] | |||
==Karabiner 98k Sniper== | |||
At one point in the film, a German sniper is seen using a [[Karabiner 98k]] fitted with a scope (which appears to have infrared vision, which wasn't available on such a small scope at the time) and uses it to kill Milo Vladek ([[Tom Busby]]) with a shot between the eyes. | |||
[[Image:tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k with Zeiss ZF42 scope - 7.92x57mm.]] | |||
[[Image:DDM1Sniper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While the reticule is correct, the infrared capability isn't.]] | |||
[[Image:DDKar98kSniper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper sneaks out the window armed with a Karabiner 98k sniper rifle.]] | |||
[[Image:DDKar98kSniper-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sniper takes aim with his Kar98k.]] | |||
[[Image:DDKar98kSniper-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A scope this small at the time could not be capable of infrared vision. Also, this is a horrible and clearly fake scope mount.]] | |||
The first German sniper is hilariously seen using an American [[M1 Garand]] with the same fake scope mount, likely because of a lack of 7.92mm blanks or firing Kar98k rifles. | |||
[[Image:DDM1Sniper-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sniper fires the M1 Garand at Jefferson ([[Jim Brown]]).]] | |||
[[Image:DDM1Sniper-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sniper falls out the window and drops his M1 Garand.]] | |||
=Handguns= | |||
==M1911A1== | ==M1911A1== | ||
Several MP's and Major Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) are seen with [[M1911A1]] pistols as their sidearms. | Several MP's and Major Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) are seen with [[M1911A1]] pistols as their sidearms. | ||
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[[Image:DDM1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MP with an M1911A1.]] | [[Image:DDM1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MP with an M1911A1.]] | ||
==Beretta 950 Jetfire (suppressed)== | |||
Joseph Wladislaw ([[Charles Bronson]]) is seen using a [[Beretta 950 Jetfire]] fitted with a sound suppressor to kill several guards at the gates of the mansion. While inside the mansion, he manages to kill a radio operator with it before leaving it there. Since the pistol has a tip open barrel, this makes small acorn .22 blanks easy to load and unload with non-blank converted guns (which this clearly is since it doesn't cycle). | |||
[[Image:DDBerettaBobcatSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wladislaw ([[Charles Bronson]]) kills the Germans at the gate with a suppressed Beretta.]] | |||
[[Image:DDBerettaBobcatSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wladislaw ([[Charles Bronson]]) kills a radio operator with the suppressed Beretta.]] | |||
==Walther P38== | |||
When Major Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) and Joseph Wladislaw ([[Charles Bronson]]) infiltrate the German mansion disguised as German officers, they keep [[Walther P38]]s as their sidearms and use them to shoot the guards outside the shelter entrance before sealing the people inside. | |||
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 - 9mm.]] | |||
[[Image:DDWaltherP38-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) and Wladislaw ([[Charles Bronson]]) draw and fire their Walther P38s on the guards outside the shelter.]] | |||
[[Image:DDWaltherP38-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of Wladislaw's ([[Charles Bronson]]) Walther P38.]] | |||
[[Image:DDWaltherP38-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Walther P38 firing.]] | |||
==Luger P08== | |||
For some reason as Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) and Wladislaw ([[Charles Bronson]]) leave the underground shelter, their [[Walther P38]]s change to [[Luger P08]]s. | |||
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9mm.]] | |||
[[Image:DDLugerP08-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) and Wladislaw ([[Charles Bronson]]) with Luger P08s.]] | |||
[[Image:DDLugerP08-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reisman ([[Lee Marvin]]) peaks around the corner with his Luger P08 at the ready.]] | |||
=Machine Guns= | |||
==Browning M1919A4== | ==Browning M1919A4== | ||
Several times the [[Browning M1919A4]] is used in the film. First it is seen carried in a jeep by the blue team during the war games. Two are used during the assault on the mansion, one used by Roscoe Lever ([[Stuart Cooper]]) and Seth Sawyer ([[Colin Maitland]]) near the front entrance and the other manned by Tassos Bravos ([[Al Mancini]]) to combat the approaching German vehicles. | Several times the [[Browning M1919A4]] is used in the film. First it is seen carried in a jeep by the blue team during the war games. Two are used during the assault on the mansion, one used by Roscoe Lever ([[Stuart Cooper]]) and Seth Sawyer ([[Colin Maitland]]) near the front entrance and the other manned by Tassos Bravos ([[Al Mancini]]) to combat the approaching German vehicles. | ||
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[[Image:DDM1919A4-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lever ([[Stuart Cooper]]) grins in satisfaction after taking out a German vehicle with the M1919A4.]] | [[Image:DDM1919A4-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lever ([[Stuart Cooper]]) grins in satisfaction after taking out a German vehicle with the M1919A4.]] | ||
[[Image:DDM1919A4-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bravos ([[Al Mancini]]) fires the M1919A4 at the German vehicles.]] | [[Image:DDM1919A4-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bravos ([[Al Mancini]]) fires the M1919A4 at the German vehicles.]] | ||
==MG42== | |||
Samson Posey ([[Clint Walker]]) mans an [[MG42]] to combat the approaching German vehicles. The gun is fitted with a 50 round drum. The same gun is seen mounted on a German vehicle but not clear enough to see. | |||
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 - 7.92x57mm.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMG42-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Posey ([[Clint Walker]]) loads his MG42.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMG42-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Posey ([[Clint Walker]]) fires the MG42 at the German vehicles.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMG42-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A nice side shot of the MG42 when Posey ([[Clint Walker]]) takes cover from a German vehicle firing the same weapon.]] | |||
==MG34== | |||
An [[MG34]] is seen fired from a German vehicle before members of the Dozen knock it off the bridge with their own vehicle. | |||
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG34 - 7.92x57mm.]] | |||
[[Image:DDMG34-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner fires an MG34 from an armored vehicle (a modified British Daimler Scout Car)]] | |||
[[Image:DDMG34-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the MG34.]] | |||
=Other= | |||
==Mk 2 hand grenade== | ==Mk 2 hand grenade== | ||
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[[Image:DDMk2grenade-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Germans in the shelter pathetically try to push the grenades back up.]] | [[Image:DDMk2grenade-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Germans in the shelter pathetically try to push the grenades back up.]] | ||
== | ==Webley & Scott Flare Pistol== | ||
Samson Posey ([[Clint Walker]]) fires a [[Webley No 1. Mark 1 flare gun|Webley & Scott Flare Pistol]] into the air to signal to the others that the German's have arrived. | |||
[[Image: | [[Image:Webley&ScottFlare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Webley & Scott Flare Pistol.]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:DDFlarePistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Posey ([[Clint Walker]]) fires the flare pistol into the air.]] | ||
==25 Pounder artillery guns== | ==25 Pounder artillery guns== | ||
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[[Image:DDArtillery-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The red team reloads the 25 Pounder guns.]] | [[Image:DDArtillery-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The red team reloads the 25 Pounder guns.]] | ||
==40mm Bofors AA gun== | ==40mm Bofors AA gun== | ||
Revision as of 18:29, 8 June 2012
The following guns were used in the film The Dirty Dozen:
Submachine Guns
M3 "Grease Gun"
The most commonly seen gun in the film is the older M3 "Grease Gun". It is not an M3A1 model because the guns clearly have external charging handles on the right side while the M3A1 as divots in the bolt so the bolt can be pinched and pulled back. They also have a much higher rate of fire than the M3A1 model. Prison Military Police guards are seen using them, as well as practically every member of the Dirty Dozen, most notably Major Reisman (Lee Marvin) during several scenes in basic training. In reality, the Grease Gun was never fielded in such great numbers but was likely the easiest gun for the film armorers to acquire.
MP40
Germans are inaccurately seen armed mainly with MP40 submachine guns.
Rifles
M1 Garand
While the M1 Garand was the most heavily fielded weapon of the U.S. Military during WWII, it is seen somewhat scarcely in the film, mainly in the hands of M&Ps and some of the members of the Dirty Dozen during the war games.
M1 Carbine
Several of Col. Breed's (Robert Ryan) men are seen armed with M1 Carbines, although they are only in the background.
When Reisman's men dissarm Breed's men, one of them is seen armed with a paratrooper folding stock M1A1 Carbine.
Karabiner 98k
German soldiers carry Karabiner 98k rifles during the final shootout at the mansion. Like many WWII films from 1960-1980, the MP40 submachine gun is inaccurately shown as the main weapon of the German army instead of the Kar98k.
Karabiner 98k Sniper
At one point in the film, a German sniper is seen using a Karabiner 98k fitted with a scope (which appears to have infrared vision, which wasn't available on such a small scope at the time) and uses it to kill Milo Vladek (Tom Busby) with a shot between the eyes.
The first German sniper is hilariously seen using an American M1 Garand with the same fake scope mount, likely because of a lack of 7.92mm blanks or firing Kar98k rifles.
Handguns
M1911A1
Several MP's and Major Reisman (Lee Marvin) are seen with M1911A1 pistols as their sidearms.
Beretta 950 Jetfire (suppressed)
Joseph Wladislaw (Charles Bronson) is seen using a Beretta 950 Jetfire fitted with a sound suppressor to kill several guards at the gates of the mansion. While inside the mansion, he manages to kill a radio operator with it before leaving it there. Since the pistol has a tip open barrel, this makes small acorn .22 blanks easy to load and unload with non-blank converted guns (which this clearly is since it doesn't cycle).
Walther P38
When Major Reisman (Lee Marvin) and Joseph Wladislaw (Charles Bronson) infiltrate the German mansion disguised as German officers, they keep Walther P38s as their sidearms and use them to shoot the guards outside the shelter entrance before sealing the people inside.
Luger P08
For some reason as Reisman (Lee Marvin) and Wladislaw (Charles Bronson) leave the underground shelter, their Walther P38s change to Luger P08s.
Machine Guns
Browning M1919A4
Several times the Browning M1919A4 is used in the film. First it is seen carried in a jeep by the blue team during the war games. Two are used during the assault on the mansion, one used by Roscoe Lever (Stuart Cooper) and Seth Sawyer (Colin Maitland) near the front entrance and the other manned by Tassos Bravos (Al Mancini) to combat the approaching German vehicles.
MG42
Samson Posey (Clint Walker) mans an MG42 to combat the approaching German vehicles. The gun is fitted with a 50 round drum. The same gun is seen mounted on a German vehicle but not clear enough to see.
MG34
An MG34 is seen fired from a German vehicle before members of the Dozen knock it off the bridge with their own vehicle.
Other
Mk 2 hand grenade
Several members of the Dirty Dozen keep Mk 2 hand grenades hanging on their belts, most notably Robert Jefferson (Jim Brown) and Archer Maggott (Telly Savalas). While on the roof, Seth Sawyer (Colin Maitland) gets stuck after having a leg break through the roof on his way to disable the alarm tower. Immobilized, he throws two Mk 2 grenades at the tower to destroy it instead. When preparing to blow up the mansion, Major Reisman (Lee Marvin) and his men dump bags of Mk 2 grenades down the vents and then dump gasoline to make the building itself a bomb.
Webley & Scott Flare Pistol
Samson Posey (Clint Walker) fires a Webley & Scott Flare Pistol into the air to signal to the others that the German's have arrived.
25 Pounder artillery guns
During the war games, the Red team fires on the Blue team with British 25 Pounder guns. Dale Dye mentioned in the DVD commentary that these artillery pieces are more likely used for parades instead of actual combat operations. Maybe when the film was made this was the case, but at the time of WW2, these guns were standard field artillery pieces, but not for the US, but for the British army. Presumably the proper American equivalents (105 mm guns, as the closer equivalent, for instance) where unavailable, the movie being filmed in the UK.
40mm Bofors AA gun
When the remaining members of the Dirty Dozen try to escape in an armored vehicle, they look back to see it is towing a German Anti-Aircraft (AA) gun. Victor Franko (John Cassavetes) then jumps off and removes the hitch. The AA gun appears to be a Bofors 40mm Anti-Aircraft gun.
