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The older [[M1 Thompson]] submachine guns are seen in the hands of many soldiers, which had more complex bolts and cheaper style peep sights which have no protective housings like the M1A1s. They are mainly seen switching with the M1A1s throughout the film as a continuity error. | The older [[M1 Thompson]] submachine guns are seen in the hands of many soldiers, which had more complex bolts and cheaper style peep sights which have no protective housings like the M1A1s. They are mainly seen switching with the M1A1s throughout the film as a continuity error. | ||
[[Image:M1Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Thompson - .45 ACP. Note simple rear peep sight.]] | [[Image:M1Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Thompson - .45 ACP. Note simple rear peep sight.]] | ||
[[Image:KHM1Thompson-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kelly firing an M1 Thompson, which | [[Image:KHM1Thompson-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kelly firing an M1 Thompson, which switchs from an M1A1 and back throughout the scene.]] | ||
[[Image:KHM1Thompson-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Big Joe with an M1 Thompson in the town while Pvt. Babra ([[Gene Collins]]) is armed with an M1A1 Thompson.]] | [[Image:KHM1Thompson-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Big Joe with an M1 Thompson in the town while Pvt. Babra ([[Gene Collins]]) is armed with an M1A1 Thompson.]] | ||
[[Image:KHM1Thompson-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kelly firing an M1 Thompson.]] | [[Image:KHM1Thompson-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kelly firing an M1 Thompson.]] | ||
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==Browning M2== | ==Browning M2== | ||
[[Browning M2]] .50 caliber machine guns are seen mounted on U.S. Tanks and | [[Browning M2]] .50 caliber machine guns are seen mounted on U.S. Tanks and personel trucks throughout the film. | ||
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG.]] | [[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG.]] | ||
[[Image:KHM2Browning-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Browning M2HB mounted on a U.S. Tank.]] | [[Image:KHM2Browning-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Browning M2HB mounted on a U.S. Tank.]] | ||
[[Image:KHM2Browning-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Browning M2HB mounted on a | [[Image:KHM2Browning-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Browning M2HB mounted on a personel truck.]] | ||
[[Image:KHM2Browning-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Browning M2HB mounted on a U.S. Tank.]] | [[Image:KHM2Browning-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Browning M2HB mounted on a U.S. Tank.]] | ||
==Mk 2 Hand Grenade== | ==Mk 2 Hand Grenade== | ||
[[Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 Hand Grenades]] are standard issue with the U.S. Army and all the members of Kelly's squad use them, most | [[Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 Hand Grenades]] are standard issue with the U.S. Army and all the members of Kelly's squad use them, most notabley MSgt. Big Joe a few times in the film. | ||
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 Hand Grenade.]] | [[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 Hand Grenade.]] | ||
[[Image:KHMk2handgrenade-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Big Joe prepares a Mk 2 grenade.]] | [[Image:KHMk2handgrenade-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Big Joe prepares a Mk 2 grenade.]] | ||
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==Polish WZ. 35 VIS== | ==Polish WZ. 35 VIS== | ||
One interesting consequence of filming in Yugoslavia was the usage of eastern European weapons in the place of American ones. The production used the [[Polish WZ. 35 VIS Pistol]] (also referred to widely and incorrectly as the "Radom") to impersonate the American M1911A1 handgun (which would be standard issue to American forces). American Soldiers such as Pvt. Kelly ([[Clint Eastwood]]) and Platoon Sgt. Bellamy ([[Len Lesser]]) are seen with [[Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS "Radom" |Polish WZ. 35 VIS]] pistols as their sidearms. | One interesting consequence of filming in Yugoslavia was the usage of eastern European weapons in the place of American ones. The production used the [[Polish WZ. 35 VIS Pistol]] (also referred to widely and incorrectly as the "Radom") to impersonate the American M1911A1 handgun (which would be standard issue to American forces). American Soldiers such as Pvt. Kelly ([[Clint Eastwood]]) and Platoon Sgt. Bellamy ([[Len Lesser]]) are seen with [[Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS "Radom" |Polish WZ. 35 VIS]] pistols as their sidearms. | ||
[[Image:PistoletWZ35 RADOM.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS - 9x19mm]] | [[Image:PistoletWZ35 RADOM.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[Image:KHRadom35-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS (used as a substitute for the M1911A1) is seen in the holster of Kelly ([[Clint Eastwood]]) - 9x19mm. Note the flared out magazine well and the fact that the bottom of the handgun is much wider than an M1911A1 variant.]] | [[Image:KHRadom35-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS (used as a substitute for the M1911A1) is seen in the holster of Kelly ([[Clint Eastwood]]) - 9x19mm. Note the flared out magazine well and the fact that the bottom of the handgun is much wider than an M1911A1 variant.]] | ||
[[Image:KHRadom35-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Platoon Sgt. Bellamy ([[Len Lesser]]) with his Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS (instead of an M1911A1) drawn.]] | [[Image:KHRadom35-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Platoon Sgt. Bellamy ([[Len Lesser]]) with his Pistolet WZ. 35 VIS (instead of an M1911A1) drawn.]] | ||
==Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper== | ==Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper== | ||
Pvt. Gutowski ([[Richard Davalos]]), the squad sniper, is armed with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] sniper rifle outfitted with a 3.5PU scope. It would be far more accurate if he had been using a [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield 1903A4]] sniper rifle. This was never explained by the filmmakers. ''There's a remote possibility though that Gutowski captured the rifle from a German sniper, who originally captured the rifle from a Red Army sniper on the Eastern Front. According to Capt. Clifford Shore, the author of ''With British Snipers to the Reich'', many German snipers were using captured Soviet-made Mosin-Nagant sniper rifles alongside the Mauser Kar98k sniper rifle in Western Europe during the later years of World War II. However there are many reasons why American command would frown upon 'scrounging' for such a weapon (lack of ammo in that caliber would be one reason) and also the American Army in Southern France was very well supplied, and except for grabbing a foreign weapon in the heat of battle, U.S. Forces would not be allowed to scrounge foreign weapons except perhaps as souvenirs.'' | Pvt. Gutowski ([[Richard Davalos]]), the squad sniper, is armed with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] sniper rifle outfitted with a 3.5PU scope. It would be far more accurate if he had been using a [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield 1903A4]] sniper rifle. This was never explained by the filmmakers. ''There's a remote possibility though that Gutowski captured the rifle from a German sniper, who originally captured the rifle from a Red Army sniper on the Eastern Front. According to Capt. Clifford Shore, the author of ''With British Snipers to the Reich'', many German snipers were using captured Soviet-made Mosin-Nagant sniper rifles alongside the Mauser Kar98k sniper rifle in Western Europe during the later years of World War II. However there are many reasons why American command would frown upon 'scrounging' for such a weapon (lack of ammo in that caliber would be one reason) and also the American Army in Southern France was very well supplied, and except for grabbing a foreign weapon in the heat of battle, U.S. Forces would not be allowed to scrounge foreign weapons except perhaps as souvenirs.'' | ||
[[Image:MosinNagantM9130Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mosin Nagant M91/30 sniper - 7.62x54mm Rimmed.]] | [[Image:MosinNagantM9130Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mosin Nagant M91/30 sniper - 7.62x54mm Rimmed.]] | ||
[[Image:KHMosinNagantM91-30-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Due to the lack of proper bayonet lug, Gutowski ties his M7 bayonet to the end of his Mosin Nagant M91/30 sniper rifle.]] | [[Image:KHMosinNagantM91-30-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Due to the lack of proper bayonet lug, Gutowski ties his M7 bayonet to the end of his Mosin Nagant M91/30 sniper rifle.]] | ||
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==Karabiner 98k== | ==Karabiner 98k== | ||
The [[Karabiner 98k]] was the standard rifle of the German army during WWII but like many old WWII movies, the [[MP40]] is shown as the main weapon of the Germans (see also ''[[Where Eagles Dare]]''), which was the exact opposite in real life. In this film, the Kar98k is actually seldom seen. In real life, the MP40 was issued the same way the Thompson M1A1 was issued in the American Army. Submachine guns were for NCOs, Officers, Members of Crew served weapons, or specified members of special units like Airborne troops. Every enlisted man was not issued a submachine gun. Of course, towards the end of the war, the Wehrmacht issued anything they had left in inventory to every able bodied soldier. | The [[Karabiner 98k]] was the standard rifle of the German army during WWII but like many old WWII movies, the [[MP40]] is shown as the main weapon of the Germans (see also ''[[Where Eagles Dare]]''), which was the exact opposite in real life. In this film, the Kar98k is actually seldom seen. In real life, the MP40 was issued the same way the Thompson M1A1 was issued in the American Army. Submachine guns were for NCOs, Officers, Members of Crew served weapons, or specified members of special units like Airborne troops. Every enlisted man was not issued a submachine gun. Of course, towards the end of the war, the Wehrmacht issued anything they had left in inventory to every able bodied soldier. | ||
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm]] | [[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm]] | ||
[[Image:KHKar98k-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with a Karabiner 98k slung over his back - 7.92x57mm]] | [[Image:KHKar98k-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with a Karabiner 98k slung over his back - 7.92x57mm]] | ||
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==MP40== | ==MP40== | ||
Inaccurately shown as the most prolific weapon of the German Army, the [[MP40]] submachine gun is seen in the hands of almost all the German soldiers in the film. Noteworthy is that all of the German Soldiers armed with the MP40 submachine gun aren't wearing the MP40 magazine pouches, but the Black leather tri-pouch for the Karabiner 98K. | Inaccurately shown as the most prolific weapon of the German Army, the [[MP40]] submachine gun is seen in the hands of almost all the German soldiers in the film. Noteworthy is that all of the German Soldiers armed with the MP40 submachine gun aren't wearing the MP40 magazine pouches, but the Black leather tri-pouch for the Karabiner 98K. | ||
[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9mm.]] | [[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9mm.]] | ||
[[Image:KHMP40-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Feldgendarmerie (German MP) on guard armed with an MP40.]] | [[Image:KHMP40-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Feldgendarmerie (German MP) on guard armed with an MP40.]] | ||
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==MG42== | ==MG42== | ||
The [[MG42]] machine gun is seen mounted on | The [[MG42]] machine gun is seen mounted on personel trucks and pintle mounted on the Tiger Tanks throughout the film. | ||
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 - 8mm.]] | [[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 - 8mm.]] | ||
[[Image:KHMG42-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier is seen cleaning an MG42 in the background.]] | [[Image:KHMG42-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier is seen cleaning an MG42 in the background.]] | ||
[[Image:KHMG42-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier mans an MG42 mounted on a | [[Image:KHMG42-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier mans an MG42 mounted on a personel truck.]] | ||
[[Image:KHMG42-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier works the charging handle on the MG42.]] | [[Image:KHMG42-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier works the charging handle on the MG42.]] | ||
[[Image:KHMG42-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German soldier is killed while manning the MG42.]] | [[Image:KHMG42-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German soldier is killed while manning the MG42.]] | ||
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==Lee-Enfield No.4== | ==Lee-Enfield No.4== | ||
In one scene, a U.S. soldier can be briefly seen in the background with a [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee-Enfield No.4]] rifle slung over his shoulder - which is odd to see because the Lee-Enfield No.4 rifle was the standard-issue rifle of the British Army and British Commonwealth forces serving in Western Europe during World War II. There were literally hundreds of Yugoslavian 'extras' as American soldiers and this anachronistic rifle was more than likely handed out as 'filler' for the many [[M1 Garand]] or the [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield 1903]] rifles. It is just unfortunate for the filmmakers that the one bit of footage clearly showing the British rifle is seen in the film. | In one scene, a U.S. soldier can be briefly seen in the background with a [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee-Enfield No.4]] rifle slung over his shoulder - which is odd to see because the Lee-Enfield No.4 rifle was the standard-issue rifle of the British Army and British Commonwealth forces serving in Western Europe during World War II. There were literally hundreds of Yugoslavian 'extras' as American soldiers and this anachronistic rifle was more than likely handed out as 'filler' for the many [[M1 Garand]] or the [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield 1903]] rifles. It is just unfortunate for the filmmakers that the one bit of footage clearly showing the British rifle is seen in the film. | ||
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303.]] | [[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303.]] | ||
[[Image:KHLeeEnfield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with a Lee-Enfield No. 4 rifle slung over his back is seen briefly when Kelly and Big Joe are talking.]] | [[Image:KHLeeEnfield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with a Lee-Enfield No. 4 rifle slung over his back is seen briefly when Kelly and Big Joe are talking.]] | ||
Revision as of 21:12, 17 April 2012
The following guns were used in the film Kelly's Heroes:
M1A1 Thompson
Many of the soldiers in the film are armed with M1A1 Thompson submachine guns noted by their triangular "bunny ear" sight housing including Pvt. Kelly (Clint Eastwood) and Master Sgt. "Big" Joe (Telly Savalas). These guns were specially requested by Kelly for his special squad to find the gold behind enemy lines, which is why they are not armed mainly with M1 Garand rifles like a normal squad. Throughout the film, the M1A1 Thompsons sometimes switch with older M1 Thompson submachine guns with more complex bolts and cheaper bolted peep sights on the back with no protective housings.
M1 Thompson
The older M1 Thompson submachine guns are seen in the hands of many soldiers, which had more complex bolts and cheaper style peep sights which have no protective housings like the M1A1s. They are mainly seen switching with the M1A1s throughout the film as a continuity error.
M1 Carbine
Pvt. Fisher (Dick Balduzzi) uses an M1 Carbine which he usually keeps fitted with an M8 rifle grenade launcher fixed on the barrel as his main weapon throughout the film.
M1 Garand
Despite the fact that the M1 Garand rifle was the most commonly employed weapon in the U.S. Army during WWII, the rifle is seldom seen and is never used or fired in the film. Many are seen slung on the backs of extras as they march past Kelly in his jeep when he talks with Big Joe. It is seen in the hands of Pvt. Babra (Gene Collins) at the beginning of the film.
FN BAR Type D
The Belgian FN BAR Type D light machine gun takes the place of the American Browning BAR for the film with noticeable differences such as a larger wooden forend, a removable barrel, cooling barrel fins, a pistol grip, and a dust cover which were added to the gun by the Belgian army for it to meet their military requirements. It is most notably seen in the hands of Pvt. Petuko (Perry Lopez), Pvt. Mitchell (Fred Pearlman) and Pvt. Grace (Michael Clark).
Browning M2 Aircraft
The aircraft version of the Browning M2 is seen mounted on top of the Sherman tanks under Sgt. Oddball's (Donald Sutherland) command, noted by their perforated barrel shrouds. During the assault on the town, Pvt. Kelly (Clint Eastwood) mans the M3 mounted on Oddball's tank and fires it at a Tiger Tank before the Sherman destroys it with a shot to the weak rear end. The guns appear to be fitted with a muzzle blank adapter which dimensions are clearly smaller than a .50 caliber to allow enough pressure to cycle the gun, though the blanks being fired are indeed .50 BMG blanks.
Browning M1919A4
The Browning M1919A4 machine gun is seen as one of the weapons carried by Kelly's squad and when their vehicles are destroyed by friendly plane fire, SSgt. Crapgame (Don Rickles) is ordered by MSgt. Big Joe to lug the .30 cal around, which he hates and throughout the film he tries to pawn the gun off on others to carry. Like the M3, the 1919 guns in the film are fitted with muzzle blank adapters, more notable on the .30 cals because the muzzles would normally recoil on the real gun but the adapters clearly block them from sight.
Browning M2
Browning M2 .50 caliber machine guns are seen mounted on U.S. Tanks and personel trucks throughout the film.
Mk 2 Hand Grenade
Mk 2 Hand Grenades are standard issue with the U.S. Army and all the members of Kelly's squad use them, most notabley MSgt. Big Joe a few times in the film.
Polish WZ. 35 VIS
One interesting consequence of filming in Yugoslavia was the usage of eastern European weapons in the place of American ones. The production used the Polish WZ. 35 VIS Pistol (also referred to widely and incorrectly as the "Radom") to impersonate the American M1911A1 handgun (which would be standard issue to American forces). American Soldiers such as Pvt. Kelly (Clint Eastwood) and Platoon Sgt. Bellamy (Len Lesser) are seen with Polish WZ. 35 VIS pistols as their sidearms.
Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper
Pvt. Gutowski (Richard Davalos), the squad sniper, is armed with a Mosin Nagant M91/30 sniper rifle outfitted with a 3.5PU scope. It would be far more accurate if he had been using a Springfield 1903A4 sniper rifle. This was never explained by the filmmakers. There's a remote possibility though that Gutowski captured the rifle from a German sniper, who originally captured the rifle from a Red Army sniper on the Eastern Front. According to Capt. Clifford Shore, the author of With British Snipers to the Reich, many German snipers were using captured Soviet-made Mosin-Nagant sniper rifles alongside the Mauser Kar98k sniper rifle in Western Europe during the later years of World War II. However there are many reasons why American command would frown upon 'scrounging' for such a weapon (lack of ammo in that caliber would be one reason) and also the American Army in Southern France was very well supplied, and except for grabbing a foreign weapon in the heat of battle, U.S. Forces would not be allowed to scrounge foreign weapons except perhaps as souvenirs.
Karabiner 98k
The Karabiner 98k was the standard rifle of the German army during WWII but like many old WWII movies, the MP40 is shown as the main weapon of the Germans (see also Where Eagles Dare), which was the exact opposite in real life. In this film, the Kar98k is actually seldom seen. In real life, the MP40 was issued the same way the Thompson M1A1 was issued in the American Army. Submachine guns were for NCOs, Officers, Members of Crew served weapons, or specified members of special units like Airborne troops. Every enlisted man was not issued a submachine gun. Of course, towards the end of the war, the Wehrmacht issued anything they had left in inventory to every able bodied soldier.
MP40
Inaccurately shown as the most prolific weapon of the German Army, the MP40 submachine gun is seen in the hands of almost all the German soldiers in the film. Noteworthy is that all of the German Soldiers armed with the MP40 submachine gun aren't wearing the MP40 magazine pouches, but the Black leather tri-pouch for the Karabiner 98K.
MG42
The MG42 machine gun is seen mounted on personel trucks and pintle mounted on the Tiger Tanks throughout the film.
Flakvierling 38
Four barreled AA/AT (anti-aircraft/anti-tank) Flakvierling 38s are seen used by the Germans when Oddball and his tanks assault the train station and they are all destroyed before they inflict any damage on the tanks.
Luger P08
Oddball (Donald Sutherland) keeps a Luger P08 pistol as his sidearm of choice, which somehow seems to fit his quirky character. Instead of keeping it in a Luger holster, he keeps it in the poorly fit U.S. M1916 holster.
Lee-Enfield No.4
In one scene, a U.S. soldier can be briefly seen in the background with a Lee-Enfield No.4 rifle slung over his shoulder - which is odd to see because the Lee-Enfield No.4 rifle was the standard-issue rifle of the British Army and British Commonwealth forces serving in Western Europe during World War II. There were literally hundreds of Yugoslavian 'extras' as American soldiers and this anachronistic rifle was more than likely handed out as 'filler' for the many M1 Garand or the Springfield 1903 rifles. It is just unfortunate for the filmmakers that the one bit of footage clearly showing the British rifle is seen in the film.
