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:::::::::::::And why? You haven't provided the counterargument, thus I assumed you didn't disagree. BTW, looking at the page's history it appears to have been easier to just put Dragunov back into titles, than make a revert and then go on a edit spree. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:36, 10 November 2011 (CST) | :::::::::::::And why? You haven't provided the counterargument, thus I assumed you didn't disagree. BTW, looking at the page's history it appears to have been easier to just put Dragunov back into titles, than make a revert and then go on a edit spree. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:36, 10 November 2011 (CST) | ||
:What I'm saying is it makes grammatical sense in English to call it Dragunov SVU. Also, my second edit was basically reverting the first, if you noticed. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:39, 10 November 2011 (CST) | :What I'm saying is it makes grammatical sense in English to call it Dragunov SVU. Also, my second edit was basically reverting the first, if you noticed. The one thing I keep forgetting is that clicking rollback doesn't give you an edit screen. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:39, 10 November 2011 (CST) | ||
Revision as of 14:48, 10 November 2011
Additional Variants
The Killer
Can anyone say for sure that the gun Chow Yun-Fat uses in The Killer is a Dragunov SVD? It looks to me more like a Romanian Romak-3 or similar. The stock doesn't look like a Dragunov SVD stock. Is anyone else 100% sure it's a Dragunov? Brandtbl 05:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- I wrote about this on IMFDB's The Killer page. It's not an SVD at all; it's a Norinco Type 56 (AKM) assault rifle visually modified to look like an SVD. One of the armorers who worked on the movie has testified to this on a web site I used to visit; he said that they had to use a Norinco AK because they couldn't import a real SVD into Hong Kong in time to film the scene.
ATM Machine Syndrome
This article should be renamed either to "SVD" or "Dragunov sniper rifle". SVD is an acronym which, translated, means "Dragunov sniper rifle". Therefore, to say SVD Dragunov is analogous to saying "Dragunov sniper rifle Dragunov", it's redundant. --MattyDienhoff 04:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- That's what a generation of GIs/firearms authors called it (1960s-1990s). Besides SVD is "Sniper Rifle Dragunov" in Russian, so you can see the Dragunov as an addendum to the SVD name. MoviePropMaster2008 05:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Snayperskaya Vintovka Dragunova; Снаыперская Винтовка Драгунова. --184.35.26.57 21:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- Ага, винтовка именно для снаыпэров.
- да --74.177.182.24 03:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- lol. Not "СнаЫперская" (it sounds very funny in Russian... like red-neck slang), but "СнаЙперская".
Dragunov
The designer of SVU isn't Dragunov, it's Bondarev[1]. Thus the page will have Dragunov SVD and Bondarev SVU, unless there is a reasonable reason against. --Masterius 09:07, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- Nobody has ever heard of Bondarev and all he did was re-work an existing design. Evil Tim 09:10, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- What's next, put Stoner in front of every AR-15 variant? Dragunov wasn't the exact designer of SVU, thus shouldn't be put in the name. --Masterius 09:22, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- Well, it's commonly still known as the Dragunov and I don't think it's ever been called the "Bondarev SVU" (except perhaps by Bondarev himself). Googling I get 36,400 results for "Dragunov SVU" and none for "Bondarev SVU." And I had to check world.guns.ru for this (which uses neither), so it's your fault if my computer catches the clap. Evil Tim 09:30, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- Googled "Dragunov SVU" and the results are wikis, Facebook and Flickr (which borrow material from wikis). None serious source calls the weapon "Dragunov SVU". It is true that designers of TsNIITochMash and TsKIB SOO aren't much known to the Western world, in comparison to the designers of IzhMash (Dragunov, Kalashnikov) and IzhMekh (Makarov, Yarygin). Does that mean they should be ignored? NO! They are still known in Russian sources. --Masterius 09:48, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- But equally no serious source calls it the Bondarev SVU. It's called the Dragunov SVU because it's the SVU version of the Dragunov rifle. Evil Tim 09:56, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- Okay, a deal. Just omit the Dragunov part from the name. --Masterius 10:01, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- So, um, we'd just be calling it "short sniper rifle?" Evil Tim 10:04, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- It's called SVU, not SVDU. This isn't like AKS-74U. --Masterius 10:06, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- Yeah, but it's the SVU (short sniper rifle) version of the SVD (Dragunov sniper rifle). I wouldn't say "Dragunov SVU" is an incorrect way to render what it actually is in English; Dragunov isn't being used as the name of the designer in this context, but as the name of the rifle. Evil Tim 10:19, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- Sure, SVD is called Dragunov, but not SVU. It's a different weapon, a bullpup conversion of SVD. --Masterius 10:25, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- Work done. --Masterius 08:13, 10 November 2011 (CST)
- And undone. I said not to do that. Evil Tim 08:20, 10 November 2011 (CST)
- And why? You haven't provided the counterargument, thus I assumed you didn't disagree. BTW, looking at the page's history it appears to have been easier to just put Dragunov back into titles, than make a revert and then go on a edit spree. --Masterius 08:36, 10 November 2011 (CST)
- What I'm saying is it makes grammatical sense in English to call it Dragunov SVU. Also, my second edit was basically reverting the first, if you noticed. The one thing I keep forgetting is that clicking rollback doesn't give you an edit screen. Evil Tim 08:39, 10 November 2011 (CST)