Talk:Heckler & Koch MP7: Difference between revisions

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Do we really have to say it's a completly different "configuration" when the stock or grip is folded or unfolded? Seems a little unnecessary to me. That's One Angry Duck 01:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's marketing nonsense, it's like saying my front door has "hole" and "wall" configurations. Evil Tim 10:21, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

What about the M16 page, there all different "configurations" for the AR-15 platform and on that page is around 60 "configurations" and about 55 of those are made by Colt. :/ - Mr. Wolf 14:04, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

There's a difference between that and the exact same weapon with the grip up or down and the stock extended or not extended. If we went like this, we'd need a seperate entry for all six positions of the M4's 6-position stock. :P Evil Tim 14:08, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

well then lets just keep the 1st and 3rd pics, they're the most used on this site and they're the most different from each other, I almost never see the 2nd/middle one used. - Mr. Wolf 14:19, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

Oh, I don't have a problem with the images, I just rewrote the intro to make it clear the "configurations" are marketing nonsense rather than actual other configurations of the weapon. After all, folding the stock and foregrip of an SMG doesn't magically turn it into a handgun. Evil Tim 14:28, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

Alright, danke. - Mr. Wolf 14:38, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

I love the design of the MP7. The ONLY, and I mean the only, thing I don't like about the MP7 is its possibly low "killing" power per bullet. :\ - Mr. Wolf 16:44, 23 June 2011 (CDT)

According to this study, the 4.6x30mm rounds the MP7 fires are less powerful against both armoured and unarmoured targets than FN's 5.7x28mm rounds. The study also says that the 5.7x28mm round is also easier to make as it is based on the 5.56mm NATO round, causes less barrel erosion, and is less temperature-sensitive.

On the other hand, the MP7's ergonomics win out over the FN P90 in some ways. For one, the MP7 has an actual foregrip rather than just a hole for your off-hand's thumb. You can carry the MP7 in a pistol-like holster due to its design, and its reloading scheme is quick and intuitive since your off-hand can easily find your trigger hand when it comes to insert the magazine into the pistol grip. Still, at such a short barrel length (7.1 inches, or 180 mm) the MP7 is even more of a short-ranged weapon than the FN P90 is, which could be a problem for its versatility, though its ergonomics are good to allow second-line personnel and the like who are less-qualified at marksmanship to use it easily.

A solution to the MP7's problems would be to adapt an APCR caliber like the Russian armour-piercing 9x19mm rounds, or even an APCR version of the 10x25mm rounds for better stopping power against both armoured and unarmoured targets. Lengthening the barrel would allow allow for better range as well as the mounting space necessary to mount something like HK's M320 grenade launcher--now that would be a feature that the FN P90 can't match. --Mazryonh 02:02, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

A M320 grenade launcher on a MP7, lolz. The MP7 was meant from the get go to be a compact Machine-pistol/Submachine gun for personal defense, not a assault rifle. :D P.S. the MP7 chambered in FN's 5.7x28mm might be a win. - Mr. Wolf 13:19, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

Well, some M203 launchers have been attached to MP5s before, so the distinction isn't quite as clear-cut. A longer-barrelled "offensive" version of the MP7 (maybe called the MP7A2?) with the ability to mount an M26 MASS or M320 would be a nice, more efficient alternative to a CQBR or G36C since the shorter round (compared to 5.56mm NATO) means less of the powder goes to waste as useless flash and blast when firing. You could carry this MP7A2 for offense as a primary arm, and an MP7A1 in a holster for a backup weapon, and use the exact same magazines and ammunition. With something like that, HK could hack into the market share long held by M4A1s meant for CQB.

And the German delegation rejected the standardization proposal for the 5.7x28mm round, causing it be indefinitely postponed. Maybe HK is still more than a little miffed that FN won the SCAR competition (as if Belgium getting thoroughly trounced in both World Wars wasn't enough)? In any case, HK has a real winner here if they make the necessary changes. Hope they get better luck with this project than they did with the XM8 (which was also an underappreciated gun). --Mazryonh 20:27, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

I'm sorry but a compact Submachine gun with a under-barrel grenade launcher or shotgun just sounds kinda silly. :P Well FN didn't really have a true victory since the US Military barely use or issue the SCAR rifles. :\ The US Military actually likes the H&K HK416 better. :D - Mr. Wolf 20:59, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually, given that image I dug up it seems that the MP7 was originally designed to be the bottom half of the XM29. So it was supposed to be attached to a grenade launcher, not have a grenade launcher attached to it. Evil Tim 03:03, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

In Soviet Russia, assault weapon mounts to grenade launcher! :D - Mr. Wolf 03:42, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

Well, it would be great to have an underbarrel weapon, but it is just too cumbersome and a hassle to carry, considering its primary role is CQB. Also, neither the P90 or the MP7 are the best in terms of opinion, statistics, and design. Both have distinctive advantages in certain places. The P90 is ambidextrous, meaning that a left-handed shooter would not expect hot brass to hit him in the face. Instead, the spent cartridges are ejected below the weapon. The P90 has a higher magazine capacity than the MP7, allowing prolonged firing. The P90's magazine is placed on top of the weapon so the shooter would not have severe limitations when crouching and going prone. The MP7's advantages over the P90 are its weight (two pounds lighter than the P90), the ability to fire with one hand (only applies if firing semi-automatically), and a grip to allow more effective recoil control and accuracy. Choosing the P90 or the MP7 is a matter of preference as both weapons are designed to be effective in CQB. In my opinion, I think that the TDI Vector is more advanced and effective than both the P90 and the MP7 in statistics, though I still like the MP7 and the P90. - Kenny99 22:22, 16 September 2011 (CDT)

Yup. - Mr. Wolf 02:58, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

One thing I also want to add is that the MP7 has a low chance of jamming in certain environments than the P90 due to the gas system (similar to that of the G36). The gas system can block out sand, mud, water, and dirt, allowing the weapon to remain perfectly functional in most environments. - Kenny99 10:35, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

What's wrong with the P90's system? Are you trying to spreading H&K propaganda? ;D (FYI, I am an H&K fan.) - Mr. Wolf 01:09, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

There is technically nothing wrong with the P90. I am just pointing out one major advantage the MP7 has I didn't add to the post above. Like I said, I still love both the P90 and the MP7. - Kenny99 23:46, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

I still believe that the MPX8 from Crysis is a good direction for H&K to take with a possible longer-barrelled MP7A2 variant. Something like that, with its very compact telescoping stock, the ability to mount an underslung shotgun like the M26 MASS, and the ease of reloading in the pistol grip (since your hand finds your other hand easily), would make for a great CQB military or law enforcement weapon. The underslung shotgun can be loaded with less-lethal ammunition for police work, or if you really are feeling undergunned, be used with the new Frag-12 High Explosive rounds! Enlarging the grip to accomodate a quad-stack casket magazine would be welcome too, since that would mean you could now carry 40+ rounds without sacrificing the ability for effective use while in a prone position. Anyone know what the minimum mounting space is necessary for the M26 MASS? --Mazryonh 22:12, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

Silly, so silly. :D - Mr. Wolf 22:19, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

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 :What's wrong with the P90's system? Are you trying to spreading H&K propaganda? ;D (FYI, I am an H&K fan.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:09, 18 September 2011 (CDT)
-There is technically nothing wrong with the P90. I am just pointing out one major advantage the MP7 I didn't add to the post above. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 23:44, 23 September 2011 (CDT)
+There is technically nothing wrong with the P90. I am just pointing out one major advantage the MP7 has I didn't add to the post above. Like I said, I still love both the P90 and the MP7. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 23:46, 23 September 2011 (CDT)
 I still believe that the [[Crysis#.22MPX8.22|MPX8]] from Crysis is a good direction for H&K to take with a possible longer-barrelled MP7A2 variant. Something like that, with its very compact telescoping stock, the ability to mount an underslung shotgun like the M26 MASS, and the ease of reloading in the pistol grip (since your hand finds your other hand easily), would make for a great CQB military or law enforcement weapon. The underslung shotgun can be loaded with less-lethal ammunition for police work, or if you really are feeling undergunned, be used with the new Frag-12 High Explosive rounds! Enlarging the grip to accomodate a quad-stack casket magazine would be welcome too, since that would mean you could now carry 40+ rounds without sacrificing the ability for effective use while in a prone position. Anyone know what the minimum mounting space is necessary for the M26 MASS? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:12, 18 September 2011 (CDT)
 :Silly, so silly. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:19, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

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