Talk:Stray Dog: Kerberos Panzer Cops: Difference between revisions

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Not a Norinco Type 84S

Try Norinco Type 86S MoviePropMaster2008 23:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Not sure how that slipped by me. I really need to stop editing after 1 in the morning. So what's the verdict; replicas or no?--PistolJunkie 02:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Where does Inui keep his spare MG42 barrel?

I think at least some mention should be made as to the fact that Inui keeps his alternate MG42 barrel on the top of his ammunition backpack. It's most easily seen when the PSF contact he meets in the abandoned hotel places the alternate barrel on top of his ammunition backpack, but in other scenes it's difficult to pick out amongst the black colour of Inui's Protect Gear. The original creator should post up a screenshot of that particular scene so as to show the the location of the spare MG42 barrel. I am, however, surprised that the spare barrel (or the MG42 itself) wasn't damaged at the time when the PSF "mimes with machine guns" open up on Inui after catching him unawares on a staircase.

This series could use a modern reincarnation, if only to reassert itself as the original creator of the Protect Gear which Killzone so obviously cribbed. --Mazryonh 18:37, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

I made mention of the fact that the backpack houses a spare barrel (as well as showed Inui changing the barrel out), but there's no reason to add another screenshot showing the exact location of said barrel when there are already 11 images for the MG42 (and you can already see it in the eighth image). As for a "modern incarnation", Jin-Roh is only 11 years old, and people who don't already realize that Killzone ripped of Oshii's design would just respond by saying that the new movie was copying Killzone.--PistolJunkie 22:19, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

Actually, that screenshot only has one end of the barrel visible. I recommended the "suiting up" moment because it's one of the few moments that both ends of the spare barrel are visible, especially against the white walls of that room (otherwise at least one end just blends in against the dark background of Inui's armour or the hotel's darker walls. Still, perhaps a sentence added to the caption of the eighth screenshot to the tune of "the rear end of the spare MG42 barrel can be seen on Inui's backpack here" would suffice.

Still, another live-action entry in the Kerberos Saga would be nice, though again it should probably not be directed by Oshii (otherwise he adds some really strange stuff), which turns off most viewers (as evidenced in this video review of Stray Dog). I'd like to see another "special forces flick" where the special forces are police rather than military, although of course the Capital Police don't really arrest people so much as eradicate the terrorists with extreme force. Even so, the Kerberos Saga deserves another chance at the fame Ghost in the Shell achieved. It could be cool--to the tune of "1200 rounds a minute" cool.--Mazryonh 15:27, 5 September 2011 (CDT)

Oshii may have a habit of pushing his auteur license to the limit, but the fact of the matter is that the Kerberos Saga is his baby, conceived by him from manga to radio drama to film to anime, so the idea of him not directing (or at least having creative control a la Jin-Roh) is not something I like the sound of. So what if his material isn't tailored for the masses? The last thing I want to see is a world as well constructed as Oshii's, filled with biting commentary, cryptic symbolism, Avant-garde style and and all of Oshii's creative quirks, winding up in the hands of some Hollywood action director who then turns it into a moronic shoot-'em-up.

Also, that video reviewer seems to be under a false impression of the film from the get-go and makes a lot of mistakes a video reviewer should never make. He complains about it being misbilled as an action adventure film; Bandai's problem, not Oshii's (to clarify, I made the page and all of the screencaps came from my personal copy of the DVD, which I've watched multiple times). He also has a delivery that's more boring then the slowest parts of an Oshii film (he makes The Sky Crawlers look thoroughly intense) is a terrible actor (seriously, his review was grating to watch from start to finish), and manages to show an amazing level of ignorance regarding the subject of his review. Had he done so much as a quick Google search (something you really should do before you put your face on the internet to review something), he would have realized that his point about it not acting well as a stand-alone film is weak seeing as it was never meant to be a stand-alone film. It's main purpose was to showcase the immediate outcome of the Kerberos Riot and to show why Commander Inui returned to Japan (meaning he also managed to completely miss the character development whose absence he bitched about) and to explain what the Japanese government thought was in the briefcase in The Red Spectacles, and thus their determination to secure it.

Oshii has carefully constructed the world of the Kerberos Saga, and undermining its core traits just to gain popularity is kind of short sighted. If nothing else, I believe need more directors like him (especially in anime right now in this sea of slice-o-life moeblobs) who craft their own unique vision, popular opinion and target audience demographics be damned.--PistolJunkie 20:26, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

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 Still, another live-action entry in the Kerberos Saga would be nice, though again it should probably not be directed by Oshii (otherwise he adds some really strange stuff), which turns off most viewers (as evidenced in this [http://youtu.be/BoSiaGF--RI video review] of Stray Dog). I'd like to see another "special forces flick" where the special forces are police rather than military, although of course the Capital Police don't really arrest people so much as eradicate the terrorists with extreme force. Even so, the Kerberos Saga deserves another chance at the fame Ghost in the Shell achieved. It could be cool--to the tune of "1200 rounds a minute" cool.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 15:27, 5 September 2011 (CDT)
 :Oshii may have a habit of pushing his auteur license to the limit, but the fact of the matter is that the Kerberos Saga is his baby, conceived by him from manga to radio drama to film to anime, so the idea of him not directing (or at least having creative control a la ''Jin-Roh'') is not something I like the sound of. So what if his material isn't tailored for the masses? The last thing I want to see is a world as well constructed as Oshii's, filled with biting commentary, cryptic symbolism, Avant-garde style and and all of Oshii's creative quirks, winding up in the hands of some Hollywood action director who then turns it into a moronic shoot-'em-up.
-:Also, that video reviewer seems to be under a false impression of the film from the get-go and makes a lot of mistakes a video reviewer should never make. He complains about it being misbilled as an action adventure film; Bandai's problem, not Oshii's (to clarify, I made the page and all of the screencaps came from my personal copy of the DVD, witch I've watched multiple times). He also has a delivery that's more boring then the slowest parts of an Oshii film (he makes ''The Sky Crawlers'' look thoroughly intense) is a terrible actor (seriously, his review was grating to watch from start to finish), and manages to show an amazing level of ignorance regarding the subject of his review. Had he done so much as a quick Google search (something you really should do before you put your face on the internet to review something), he would have realized that his point about it not acting well as a stand-alone film is weak seeing as it was never meant to be a stand-alone film. It's main purpose was to showcase the immediate outcome of the Kerberos Riot and to show why Commander Inui returned to Japan (meaning he also managed to completely miss the character development whose absence he bitched about) and to explain what the Japanese government thought was in the briefcase in ''The Red Spectacles'', and thus their determination to secure it.
+:Also, that video reviewer seems to be under a false impression of the film from the get-go and makes a lot of mistakes a video reviewer should never make. He complains about it being misbilled as an action adventure film; Bandai's problem, not Oshii's (to clarify, I made the page and all of the screencaps came from my personal copy of the DVD, which I've watched multiple times). He also has a delivery that's more boring then the slowest parts of an Oshii film (he makes ''The Sky Crawlers'' look thoroughly intense) is a terrible actor (seriously, his review was grating to watch from start to finish), and manages to show an amazing level of ignorance regarding the subject of his review. Had he done so much as a quick Google search (something you really should do before you put your face on the internet to review something), he would have realized that his point about it not acting well as a stand-alone film is weak seeing as it was never meant to be a stand-alone film. It's main purpose was to showcase the immediate outcome of the Kerberos Riot and to show why Commander Inui returned to Japan (meaning he also managed to completely miss the character development whose absence he bitched about) and to explain what the Japanese government thought was in the briefcase in ''The Red Spectacles'', and thus their determination to secure it.
-:Oshii has carefully constructed the world of the Kerberos Saga, and undermining its core traits just to gain popularity is kind of short sighted. If nothing else, I believe need more directors like him (''especially'' in anime right now in this sea of slice-o-life moeblobs) who craft their own unique vision, popular opinion and target audience demographics be damned.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:26, 6 September 2011 (CDT)
+:Oshii has carefully constructed the world of the Kerberos Saga, and undermining its core traits just to gain popularity is kind of short sighted. If nothing else, I believe need ''more'' directors like him (''especially'' in anime right now in this sea of slice-o-life moeblobs) who craft their own unique vision, popular opinion and target audience demographics be damned.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:26, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

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Where does Inui keep his spare MG42 barrel?

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