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:IMFDB has been trying to ID those submachine guns for a long time. They're owned by an armory in British Columbia, Canada and have appeared in dozens of other movies and TV shows filmed in the Vancouver area (including ''[[Timecop#Custom Assault Pistol|Timecop]]'', ''[[Viper#Unknown SMG|Viper]]'', ''[[M.A.N.T.I.S.]]'', ''[[Talk:Smallville#Unknown SMG|Smallville]]'', etc.) We're really not sure what they are yet, but they're not AP9s (which is a common guess, but incorrect). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:56, 15 January 2011 (UTC) | :IMFDB has been trying to ID those submachine guns for a long time. They're owned by an armory in British Columbia, Canada and have appeared in dozens of other movies and TV shows filmed in the Vancouver area (including ''[[Timecop#Custom Assault Pistol|Timecop]]'', ''[[Viper#Unknown SMG|Viper]]'', ''[[M.A.N.T.I.S.]]'', ''[[Talk:Smallville#Unknown SMG|Smallville]]'', etc.) We're really not sure what they are yet, but they're not AP9s (which is a common guess, but incorrect). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:56, 15 January 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Fallen Angel == | |||
Was that a Desert Eagle I spotted in the colonel's shoulder holster? [[User:Raven|Raven]] ([[User talk:Raven|talk]]) 23:15, 14 January 2013 (EST) | |||
Revision as of 04:15, 15 January 2013
I'd like to change the Smith and Wesson Section - The guns were 1076s, not 5906s.
The Smith and Wessons that Scully and Mulder get are actually 1076s. For a short time, as a result of extensive research after the 1986 Miami shootout, the FBI thought that a 9mm/.38 spl was ineffective. As a result, the FBI tested and selected the 10mm cartridge, which they believed gave superior stopping power and penetration. A special 10mm "lite" FBI load was developed, as the bureau thought the flash and recoil of the standard 10mm was too severe. For the 10mm, they had Smith and Wesson create a new gun, the 1076. It was a Gen III, was stainless steel, had a a decocking lever, no manual safety and was Double Action only. Capacity was 10 rounds. Ironically enough, the FBI only retained the 1076s for a short time due to issues with the weight and power of the cartridge. The bureau eventually switched back to the 9mm Sigs (P226 & P228), saying that with good ammo and proper shot placement, the 9mm is an effective cartridge. A while later, the FBI then switched to issuing the Glock 22/23 in .40 S&W to new agents. Ironically, the .40 S&W was essentially a shortened 10mm developed as a result of the the FBI's 10mm "lite" cartridge.
- Permission denied to make the change (not that I'm necessarily the sole arbiter on this site, so to speak, but I am a ranking member, not to mention that I did quite a bit of work on this page). We've already explained this many times before, but here it is again: You can never assume that just because a particular law enforcement/military agency uses a certain gun/caliber in real life, the exact same model/caliber is used in a particular movie or TV show. For instance, there are many members who assume that, for movies which feature FBI Agents carrying Glocks, the pistols in question are either Glock 22s or Glock 23s in .40 S&W, just because the FBI carries such weapons in real life. The thing is, 9mm pistols are FAR more commonly used in movies and TV shows, because until recently, this caliber was considered most reliable in blank-fire for almost any make/model of handgun. Chances are, if you're seeing a Glock in a movie, it's a 9mm Glock, regardless of whether the character in the film is an FBI Agent or a member of some other agency that issues .40-caliber Glocks in real life. This is not always true, but it's true about 9 times out of 10, we reckon. So, unless you have absolute proof that the prop guns are a certain model/caliber, the general rule is that you should assume it's a 9mm.
- Anyway, related to The X-Files specifically, there is much more empirical evidence to suggest you are wrong here. The Smith & Wesson 1076 has a single-stack frame, whereas the pistols used by Mulder and Scully clearly have double-stack frames, which means that they have to be either S&W 5906s or 4006s. And since, as I said before, 9mm pistols were until recently the preferred caliber in Hollywood, the 5906 is a safe bet. There are even plenty of screencaps from this show which show the bores of the pistols pretty clearly, and they look to be 9mm in size. -MT2008
Anyone notice
I never seen the show but from these pics for FBI agents they sure as hell don't seem to know how to use a weaver grip. Y'know that grip that is accepted by the FBI? They're holding cup and saucer style. This bothrt anyone else?--ConditionNone 07:05, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- It's a TV show, not real life. Armorers don't always have the time to train the actors in proper stance and grip when they arrive on set. -MT2008 01:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
New Images?
I got Season 1 on DVD, and plan to get more seasons. I could take a few sample screenies and see if they look any better than the existing shots? --ManiacallyChallenged 02:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
- Sure, that would be great! Most of mine are pretty low-quality. -MT2008 02:16, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
- Cool, I'll have some time to do a few within the next week I hope. I dunno if they'll be any better, the show doesn't really like to highlight guns. :D --ManiacallyChallenged 18:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Knight's Armament Model R-2 Suppressed Revolver Rifle
While the subject rifle was based on a Ruger Redhawk, it was not a .44 Mag. It used a special round loaded in .44 mag cases but had a flat tip nylon sabot that used a 7mm bullet. Upon firing the sabot moved forward and sealed the cylinder gap. I fired this gun, and a similar model based on a S&W M60 (.30 bullets) at Reed Knight's factory in FL. There was no problem with the cylinder on either gun rotating as usual. The Ruger was also used in an episode where the Smoking Man was writing a novel. He was set up in a hotel room across the street from the hangout of the Lone Gunmen as if to shoot them but put the gun away. --Cvuxton 14:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Krycek's Beretta
In the last episode of season eight ('Existence'), Krycek uses a stainless Beretta 92-model. I think it's a 92FS Centurion Inox (full-size frame, shorter barrel and slide). But I'm not entirely sure, so I'd like someone to back me up on it. Ramell 15:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- I thought it was a Beretta Cheetah, but I haven't seen the show for a while.--Pølaris 02:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Chick Guns
The first season of this show seems to follow an interesting trend in media with regard to female cops/federal agents. It seems many movies and TV shows seem to arm Female Law Enforcement officers with "chick guns" even if the weapons are inappropriate. In the first season of this show Scully carries various Walther PPK knockoffs, in Hunter Det. Sgt. Dee Dee McCall carried a PPK, and numerous other shows and films have women carrying small .380s or 'emasculated' versions of male duty weapons (for example in some shows a male agent may carry a SIG P226 or Glock 17 while a female carries a P239 or Glock 26). I realize most women have smaller hands than most men, but at a certain point this boarders on condescension. If these were armed civilians this may be justifiable as a woman could carry whatever she felt more comfortable with, but for Cops and Federal agents, they would be required to make due with standard issue weapons which they would be trained to handle just as male agents would be. I'm not bringing this up as a sexist issue as much as a realism issue. Most police departments and federal agencies would not be this accommodating. -Anonymous
In the first season, the FBI turned down requests for assistance on the proper procedures and weapons to be used. So Mulder had a Taurus and a Glock (which was not an approved weapon at the time) while Scully had a pocket pistol. After they saw the first season the FBI was happy about how the Bureau was portrayed, and so started giving aid. From the second season on they started using FBI approved firearms, and procedures. -User:Krel
Didn't Mulder carry a black S&W pistol in a few episodes in between the Taurus and the Glock? I'm sure he had one in "Ghost In The Machine". --Cool-breeze 17:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
It depends on the overall size stature of the female. Full-size service pistols look awkward in the hands of a small framed female onscreen. They would not look awkward to people that work with and handle guns often but for the part of the public that doesn't understand firearms (which is the vast majority of viewers), it would look too cumbersome. This is just Hollywood and onscreen presentation; it has nothing to do with sexism. This same thinking influenced Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca years ago. They wanted him to use a 1911 but at 5 foot 8 inches and slim, it looked huge in his hands so they replaced it with a .32 caliber 1903 handgun. --Luckyluciano 00:11, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Just to throw another chick gun into the mix, in the season 1 episode "Eve", Harriet Sansom Harris' character uses a Beretta Cheetah (early version with the rounded trigger guard). Don't have the DVDs though, just saw it on TV so can't add it to the page. --commando552 19:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Unknown submachine gun in 1X09
In the first season, tenth episode called "Fallen Angel" unknown submachine gun is shown in the hands of the soldier, shortly after; he and his mp5 wielding buddy are attacked by and invisible alien. Could anybody ID this gun ? Kinda reminds on Encom carbine and Ap9 carbine, but from what I can see it has rectangular body and long magazine well with stamping marks on it.
Pictures are here, you can also put them in the main X-Files firearms page :
http://i53.tinypic.com/sct01x.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/250niwy.jpg
- IMFDB has been trying to ID those submachine guns for a long time. They're owned by an armory in British Columbia, Canada and have appeared in dozens of other movies and TV shows filmed in the Vancouver area (including Timecop, Viper, M.A.N.T.I.S., Smallville, etc.) We're really not sure what they are yet, but they're not AP9s (which is a common guess, but incorrect). -MT2008 14:56, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Fallen Angel
Was that a Desert Eagle I spotted in the colonel's shoulder holster? Raven (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2013 (EST)