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Please don't ban me again, I'm not a vandal and banning me from the wiki because of my conduct on the forums was grossly unfair. [[User:PersonOfInterest2|PersonOfInterest2]] 05:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC) | Please don't ban me again, I'm not a vandal and banning me from the wiki because of my conduct on the forums was grossly unfair. [[User:PersonOfInterest2|PersonOfInterest2]] 05:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
: Well, it can also be used by the player (be it by cheats or whatever), so the grammar isn't technically incorrect. And as for your critique of the section's text.. Other than some words and phrases bothering you, there doesn't seem to be any problem with it as far as I can see. The guy didn;t say 'THIS GUN RULEZ AND IT KIKS ASS' or something. Don't be such a childish nitpicker. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC) | : Well, it can ''also'' be used by the player (be it by cheats or whatever), so the grammar isn't technically incorrect. And as for your critique of the section's text.. Other than some words and phrases bothering you, there doesn't seem to be any problem with it as far as I can see. The guy didn;t say 'THIS GUN RULEZ AND IT KIKS ASS' or something. Don't be such a childish nitpicker. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 17:48, 28 September 2010
Knives
Two types of knives (technically the same, but wielded differently) are frequently used, Throwing Knives and Combat Knives.
Tank
Its a Tank, and is featured in 2 levels. Did I mention the Tank is a Tank? haha! funny family guy joke
I'm not sure the inventory order is the best we can use.
While it's better having the weapons in some sort of order, the Goldeneye order is weird; for example, a revolver next to a sniper rifle and SMGs and assault rifles mixed up together for no good reason. I don't find this whole edit war thing productive, but I think it was in a better order the way I had it. Dongs 07:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
There's no reason to do it one way or another. This is an asinine topic, probably best to just leave it alone until somebody actually complains about it. PersonOfInterest
- I'm somebody. And if there's no reason to do it one way or the other, why not do it the way I suggest? Dongs 07:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Automatic Shotgun
It's not a SPAS-12, it looks nothing like a SPAS-12, can we remove any mention of SPAS-12 from this article.
If you absolutely have to have to have to call it something, its a wood furniture Remington 1100 with a pistol grip, no stock, a sawed off barrel, and a Mossberg heat shield. Somebody do a mock up of that (it doesn't exist on GIS, I've looked) and do a comparison.
Still doesn't make it that though, so just keep it "Automatic Shotgun". PersonOfInterest
- Most people seem to be able to see some SPAS-12 in it [we've got at least three who've added it or suggested it stay so far]. The heat shield plus that diagonal slant down onto it is the main point of comparison, though you're right it's a horrible resemblance and turns into a generic pump action as soon as you get past the heat shield. Also, if you want to mock up guns in photoshop, try this: http://avro504.hp.infoseek.co.jp/teppoo/gunicon.html
Also, the article doesn't say it's a SPAS-12 anymore, just that the front end has a couple of similarities. I might edit it to be even more clear that it certainly isn't a SPAS, and add this for proof:
- Since that shows any similarity is purely confined to the front (as a side note, I especially like how the pump seems to travel all the way back to the pistol grip on what appears to be a shelf bracket which covers the trigger completely). A more simple evaluation: it's an FPS, it's an automatic shotgun. It's not a Jackhammer, so it's a SPAS. If it's not a SPAS then it's a USAS-12 and I don't think we should go there. Dongs 07:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- Also, you messed up linking to your user page again. Sign with four tildes [~~~~] or format the link as [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]. Dongs 10:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
It's a shotgun in a video game it doesn't "have to" be anything. Let go of your SPAS 12 fantasy. PersonOfInterest
- It seems the only person even remotely concerned with this is you. Give it a rest, the features are described as a "slight resemblance" in the article and that's all. Vangelis 07:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
BIG FAT SWEATY UPDATE
It's a Remington 1100. I remember posting in the forum discussion that *if* the "automatic shotgun" was anything, it was a Remington 1100 with a sawed off barrel, a pistol grip, no stock, and a heat shield. I searched and searched and it seemed such a gun did not exist, so i said "fudge it" and went home. Then I came across this little gem right here.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Goldeneye automatic shotgun is modelled after the gun used by Red Foreman to put a boot up Robocop's ass. "But the color of the forearm is different and that one has a folding stock" you say. AKMS's and SPECTRE M4's are supposed to have folding stocks too. P90's are supposed to be green. Point Game Checkmate. - POI
PS The pump-action shotgun so closely resembling the folding stock 870 from Terminator 2: Judgement Day backs up my theory IMSO (In My Smug Opinion)
Why is it OK to mention the pump shotgun resembling the 870 from Terminator 2: Judgement Day and that the sniper rifle resembles the WA2000 from The Living Daylights, but it is verboten to mention that the auto shotgun resembles the customized 1100 from RoboCop? None of them are specifically ID'ed as those things, so what's the problem? PersonOfInterest2 05:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
The 'Nade Launcher
The Grenade Launcher doesn't look like the DefTech. It looks like the grenade launcher in Predator but that one wasn't a real gun. Anyone have any idea what that motherfucking 'nade launcher is supposed to represent?-Oliveira 17:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- Something with "adjustable spray nozzle" in the description judging by the muzzle. Also fitted with an underbarrel microphone. Dongs 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, i admit i laughed at the underbarrel microphone. Now i can't unsee it. Thank you Dongs.-Oliveira 20:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The rocket launcher
Shouldnt the rocket launcher be based on the RPG-7 instead?
- No, because it only has one grip, an RPG-7 has two. Tim 17:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- If it has only one grip, wouln't it be an RPG-2?-Oliveira 18:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
The Type 69's grip is in the middle of the weapon, the RPG-2's is near the muzzle of the tube.<-Should not look at things the instant after waking up. Yes, it could be, but it's probably supposed to be an RPG-7 derivative. See: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/goldeneye/images/0/05/Rocket_Launcher.png for the Goldeneye Rocket Launcher. Apparently in early builds it had a three-shot magazine, was shoulder-fired [ie higher up on-screen] and looked different. Tim 19:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
"Generic rotary gun"
You forgot to mention the rotary guns in the Airport level. --208.85.242.212 10:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- Airport level? What airport level?--Oliveira 10:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- Level 3, Runway, pillbox-enclosed rotary guns. They're in a few other places too I think. 115.134.216.180 02:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- I believe he's talking about the runway where you make your escape from the chemical weapons plant, though I don't recall any of those weapons there. just a tank and an endless stream of Soviet infantry. Orca1 9904 04:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- Level 3, Runway, pillbox-enclosed rotary guns. They're in a few other places too I think. 115.134.216.180 02:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
"Grenade Launcher"
The Grenade Launcher is supposed to be a Milkor MGL (Multiple Grenade Launcher). There are plenty of variants of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M32_Grenade_Loading.jpg --208.85.242.212 10:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
No it is not supposed to be a Milkor, it resembles a Milkor just as much as it resembles an RG-6 or an Arwen. My money's on Rare copying the clunky looking bastard from Predator (and Oliveira agrees), seeing as they ripped off the Robocop shotgun. - POI
AK-47 / Type 56
If anybody feels i really disrupted the cosmic order with that edit then go ahead and change it but at least look at this photo first please. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/goldeneye/images/7/76/Kalashnikov_AK47.png - POI
Speculation You Say?
This game is full of guns that are copied from other movies. The fake AK-74 from Goldeneye is the most obvious, and Dongs pointed out the very unique infrared scope set up on the sniper rifle copied from The Living Daylights. The grenade launcher is quite a good match for the launcher from Predator. The folding stock 870 with the shells on top is a very iconic image from Terminator 2: Judgement Day, what else could it possibly be? As for the "automatic shotgun", yeah I guess that technically would be speculation, but consider all the other guns in this game ripped from movies, the popularity of Robocop, and the fact that I described a gun similar to Kurtwood Smith's customized 1100 as a potential candidate for this shotgun BEFORE I had even seen the screencap that I later used to identify it. Pretty safe speculation, I would say. - PersonOfInterest
- "This game is full of guns that are copied from other movies" well I just see a bunch of crappily generically modeled weapons. The only reason that you see them as movie guns is because it is what you are used to seeing/want to see. Your mind is matrixing so that you see what you want to see. There is no indication AT ALL that these weapons were ripped from a movie. Maybe its where the artist could have gotten his inspiration but anything else is pure speculation. To label such a crappily drawn generic weapon in this game as a such certain a specific weapon is a mockery of IMFDB in my opinion , akin to if someone were to parody IMFDB on SNL. --AdAstra2009 20:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well if you want to take it to a logical extreme then nothing in this game can be defined as anything. The PP7 is a black pocket pistol, the DD44 is a grey pistol. The KF7 would be better described as an AK-47 or AKM with the wooden stock removed due to a lack of holes where the folding stock would be. Being labelled as "AK-47" in the beta version doesn't mean anything, it's just another misidentification, a common occurance in games AND movies The RCP90 shouldn't count as anything. If you're uncomfortable giving a concrete identification of anything then at least mention the similarities. You can't completely ignore when something bares a resemblance to something that actually does exist. Example: don't say the auto shotgun definitively is a Remington 1100 a la Robocop, say it is most similar to the Remington 1100 from Robocop. PersonOfInterest 22:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
- What I've done now appears to be a sensible solution. Maybe this way of labelling things can be used in other video game articles. PersonOfInterest 23:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Ain't nobody fucking asking you your opinion! Stuff it!
Rocket Launcher
I don't know how anyone can write that it is 'generically' based of a type 96 RPG. It looks more like an AT4 than anything else. I mean, sure it's got a vertical fore grip, but don't you think that's kind of a stretch? 65.29.239.251 09:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
It looks nothing like an AT4. It most resembles a Type 69 because it has a single pistol grip and an external warhead, neither of which are present on the AT4. It's not exactly a Type 69, so it's not labeled as a Type 69, the picture is just there for comparison. PersonOfInterest
Cougar Magnum/Ruger Redhawk text
"The Cougar Magnum appears to be based on the Ruger Redhawk. Despite a slow rate of fire, it is suprisingly powerful; capable of shooting through doors and other objects while retaining lethal force. It is also used by Natalya to plow through the jungle."
I changed this text because it makes no sense. "Also used by Natalya"? It's ONLY used by Natalya, you can't even pick it up off of her if she dies. And what is so surprising about a slow firing weapon being powerful? There are lots of video game weapons that are powerful and slow. You can't have powerful and fast because that wouldn't be balanced. And it is not at all worth mentioning that it "[retains] lethal force" because other guns that fire through objects (AR33, RCP90, Moonraker Laser) also "[retain] lethal force". Just mention that those guns can all shoot through doors, objects, and people and that's all that needs to be said.
Please don't ban me again, I'm not a vandal and banning me from the wiki because of my conduct on the forums was grossly unfair. PersonOfInterest2 05:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Well, it can also be used by the player (be it by cheats or whatever), so the grammar isn't technically incorrect. And as for your critique of the section's text.. Other than some words and phrases bothering you, there doesn't seem to be any problem with it as far as I can see. The guy didn;t say 'THIS GUN RULEZ AND IT KIKS ASS' or something. Don't be such a childish nitpicker. StanTheMan 17:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)