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''Thief'' is the 1981 film that marked the directorial debut of [[Michael Mann]].  The thriller stars [[James Caan]] as Frank, am experienced jewel thief who is convinced to perform high level jobs for a Chicago mobster. Mann, director of other famous films such as ''[[Heat]]'' and ''[[Collateral]]'' is known for his attention to detail, especially in firearms. He is supposedly a certified range instructor himself, but for this film, he and actor Caan attended classes at Gunsite, a renowned firearms training facility. The story goes that they trained in the "Modern Combat Technique," until Jeff Cooper (founder of Gunsite, and the technique) learned who Mann's film protagonist was (a criminal). Cooper insisted that a thief would never be allowed to learn the Modern Technique and refused to continue instruction. Allegedly, Chuck Taylor, Cooper's operations manager at the time (and a well-known instructor himself), then decided to take them off-site and teach them the methods you see in the film.
[[Image:Jimmy_Cann.jpg|right|300px|thumb| ''Thief'' (1981)]]
 
''Thief'' is the 1981 film that marked the directorial debut of [[Michael Mann]].  The thriller stars [[James Caan]] as Frank, an experienced jewel thief who is convinced to perform high level jobs for a Chicago mobster. Mann, who would go on to direct such crime films as ''[[Heat]]'' and ''[[Collateral]]'', brought to this film a level of attention to detail, especially in firearms, rarely seen in Hollywood productions at the time. He is supposedly a certified range instructor himself, but for this film, he and actor Caan attended classes at Gunsite, a renowned firearms training facility. The story goes that they trained in the "Modern Combat Technique," until Jeff Cooper (founder of Gunsite, and the technique) learned who Mann's film protagonist was (a criminal). Cooper insisted that a thief would never be allowed to learn the Modern Technique and refused to continue instruction. Allegedly, Chuck Taylor, Cooper's operations manager at the time (and a well-known instructor himself), then decided to take them off-site and teach them the methods you see in the film.
Caan's training is obvious, as he uses an exaggerated Weaver Stance, high thumbhold grip, speed reloading, and room clearing techniques directly attributable to the Modern Combat Technique.     
Caan's training is obvious, as he uses an exaggerated Weaver Stance, high thumbhold grip, speed reloading, and room clearing techniques directly attributable to the Modern Combat Technique.     


'''The following guns were used in the movie ''Thief'':'''
'''The following guns were used in the movie ''Thief'':'''


[[Image:Jimmy_Cann.jpg|right|300px|thumb| ''Thief'' (1981)]]


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[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster taking cover armed with an M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster taking cover armed with an M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster hits Frank in the back of the head with his M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster hits Frank in the back of the head with his M1 Carbine.]]
It either appears to bend after hitting him or has a folding stock? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:It's probably a rubber stunt prop, they wouldn't exactly want to smack James Caan over the head with a real gun --[[User:HuDaFuK|HuDaFuK]] 10:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


==Unknown Rifle==
==Unknown Rifle==

Revision as of 03:04, 18 November 2010

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Thief (1981)

Thief is the 1981 film that marked the directorial debut of Michael Mann. The thriller stars James Caan as Frank, an experienced jewel thief who is convinced to perform high level jobs for a Chicago mobster. Mann, who would go on to direct such crime films as Heat and Collateral, brought to this film a level of attention to detail, especially in firearms, rarely seen in Hollywood productions at the time. He is supposedly a certified range instructor himself, but for this film, he and actor Caan attended classes at Gunsite, a renowned firearms training facility. The story goes that they trained in the "Modern Combat Technique," until Jeff Cooper (founder of Gunsite, and the technique) learned who Mann's film protagonist was (a criminal). Cooper insisted that a thief would never be allowed to learn the Modern Technique and refused to continue instruction. Allegedly, Chuck Taylor, Cooper's operations manager at the time (and a well-known instructor himself), then decided to take them off-site and teach them the methods you see in the film. Caan's training is obvious, as he uses an exaggerated Weaver Stance, high thumbhold grip, speed reloading, and room clearing techniques directly attributable to the Modern Combat Technique.

The following guns were used in the movie Thief:




Custom Jim Hoag M1911A1

One of the guns used by the main character, Frank (James Caan), is a 6" long slide M1911A1 pistol customized by California gunsmith Jim Hoag. There is a long vertical cutout on the skeletonized trigger, which means the pistol is most likely a Colt Gold Cup National Match, or just used such a trigger. Hoag Gun Works modified the pistol by lengthening the slide, squaring the trigger guard, adding a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, skeletonized hammer and beavertail grip safety. If this pistol is indeed a Gold Cup, then it is presumably chambered in .45 ACP.

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Colt Gold Cup National Match - probably the base pistol for the custom Hoag longslide used in the film.
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Airsoft Long Slide 1911A1 replica, very similar to what Frank used in the film.
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Frank (James Caan) does a brass check on his Hoag M1911A1. Before going into Attaglia's business. Note that in the film, this is supposed to be the long slide pistol, but it is actually a normal Colt Gold Cup NM in this brief scene. Note the way he does a brass check, thumb in trigger guard, fingers in front of muzzle. At the time of filming this was the taught method, but is no longer taught anymore.
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"I am the last guy in the world that you wanna fuck with." Frank holds his custom 1911A1 on Attaglia, demanding his money.
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Best view of Frank's (James Caan) longslide M1911A1, as he clears the rooms in Leo's home.
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Like in the scene when he does a brass check, his longslide 1911A1 changes to a normal Colt Gold Cup NM when clearing the rooms.
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Frank aims his longslide 1911A1 on a wounded Leo.
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Frank fires his longslide 1911A1 at Leo. This is the first movie that Michael Mann used the "Mozambique Drill" or "Failure Drill", meaning two in the sternum, and one in the head.
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Frank changing out a magazine outside Leo's home. Note that the slide isn't locked back, he only fired 5 to 6 rounds prior. So he would have 1 to 2 rounds remaining depending on how he loaded his gun. Frank is smart enough to swap in a fully loaded magazine at the opportune time rather than run out in the middle of the gun fight and then try to reload.
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Frank loading in a fresh magazine.

Colt Combat Commander

When Frank (James Caan) first goes to visit Attaglia (Tom Signorelli) about his money, a Colt Commander is seen in the hidden compartment of the door panel. In one brief scene, Frank flashes the Colt Combat Commander at a nightclub bouncer played by a young William Petersen. Frank is later seen with at his car lot when he is looking for Barry (James Belushi). But he is unable to use it because he gets knocked out by a mobster with an M1 Carbine. It looks like the stainless model, but I don't think stainless CC's were available in 1980, so it's probably a chromed finish. It has a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, and custom skeletonized hammer. Even though the entire pistol cannot be seen, due to the crease in Frank's waistband and the shadow it casts, it appears to be the shorter slide of a Combat Commander.

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Colt Commander .45 ACP
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When Frank draws his custom longslide, a Colt Commander is also seen in the hidden compartment.
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Frank (James Caan) flashes his chromed Colt Combat Commander on a bar bouncer (William Petersen in his acting debut).
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Frank with his Commander as he gets knocked out by the mobster.

High Standard Model 10

A High Standard Model 10 shotgun is used by Carl (Dennis Farina) at Frank's car dealership and the final shootout. This film was Dennis Farina's first acting role. (Playing a mobster in the film is unusual given Farina's 18-year career in the Chicago Police Department).

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High Standard Model 10
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Carl fires his High Standard Model 10 at Barry.
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Carl with his High Standard Model 10 outside Leo's home.
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Closeup of the High Standard Model 10.

Smith & Wesson Model 19

Leo (Robert Prosky) uses a Smith & Wesson Model 19 with pearl grips at the end of the film.

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Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum
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Leo draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19.
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Leo fires his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.
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A wounded Leo aims his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.
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Best view of the Smith & Wesson Model 19.

Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose

Attaglia (Tom Signorelli) carries a Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose in the film. It's mostly tucked in his waistband so it's hard to tell.

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Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose (right side).
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Smith & Wesson Model 19 tucked in his waistband.
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Attaglia draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19 after being knocked out by Frank.

This appears to be a Model 66 as it appears to be stainless steel rather than shiney nickel plated.- Jon P

Remington 870 Shotgun

Sgt. Urizzi (John Santucci) is seen armed with a Remington 870 Shotgun when he pulls over Frank (James Caan). John Santucci's role as a police officer in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a former thief. In addition to being a technical advisor for the film, most of the tools used by Frank (James Caan) to crack the safes were his.

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Remington 870 Police Magnum - 12 gauge.
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Sgt. Urizzi holds a Remington 870 Shotgun on Frank.

M1 Carbine

An M1 Carbine is used by one of the mobsters at Frank's car dealership.

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M1 Carbine
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The mobster taking cover armed with an M1 Carbine.
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The mobster hits Frank in the back of the head with his M1 Carbine.


Unknown Rifle

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looks like a G3 or HK91 -Joe (Note: Good job Joe your dead on its either definitely but you can't tell.- Tyler Durden)

More likely the Hk91 or as it would be commercially available in the USA rather than the G3 which was not imported in the same numbers. Another clue is the entire weapon is obviously black including the foreend. A G3 would have green furniture.- Jon P