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::In American parlance, a battle rifle fires a 'full sized cartridge' not an intermediate cartridge like the 5.56x45mm or the 7.62x39mm. The weird thing is that SOME gun historians think of the 7.61x51mm as an intermediate cartridge. These are usually the OLD TIMERS who were brought up firing the 30.06, the 7.92 Mauser, the .303R British and the 7.62x54R ammunition and they look with disdain on any 'smaller cartridge'. There are many firearms authors, though, who consider the 7.62x51mm / .308 Winchester as a full fledged full sized rifle round. For the most part, .308 is a full sized rifle round with most people, so the G3 WOULD be a main battle rifle and NOT an assault rifle, just like the FN FAL, the L1A1 and the M14. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC) | ::In American parlance, a battle rifle fires a 'full sized cartridge' not an intermediate cartridge like the 5.56x45mm or the 7.62x39mm. The weird thing is that SOME gun historians think of the 7.61x51mm as an intermediate cartridge. These are usually the OLD TIMERS who were brought up firing the 30.06, the 7.92 Mauser, the .303R British and the 7.62x54R ammunition and they look with disdain on any 'smaller cartridge'. There are many firearms authors, though, who consider the 7.62x51mm / .308 Winchester as a full fledged full sized rifle round. For the most part, .308 is a full sized rifle round with most people, so the G3 WOULD be a main battle rifle and NOT an assault rifle, just like the FN FAL, the L1A1 and the M14. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah, but what I wanted to point out: the Sturmgewehr 44 is a German weapon, and it was considered an assault rifle by the Germans (In fact, Hitler invented the German term "Sturmgewehr" to describe the former MP44, and later this term was translated as "assault rifle"). The G3 is a German weapon, too, and it is considered an assault rifle by the Germans. So, both weapons are considered "assault rifles" by the people who invented the term in the first place and who developed both the weapons. | :Yeah, but what I wanted to point out: the Sturmgewehr 44 is a German weapon, and it was considered an assault rifle by the Germans (In fact, Hitler invented the German term "Sturmgewehr" to describe the former MP44, and later this term was translated as "assault rifle"). The G3 is a German weapon, too, and it is considered an assault rifle by the Germans. So, both weapons are considered "assault rifles" by the people who invented the term in the first place and who developed both the weapons. | ||
- Good point, however, as MPM stated, in general, 'assault rifles' are considered to fire smaller, 'intermediate' cartridges, such as the shortened battle rifle rounds (7.92x33 Kurz/7.62x39 M1943) or smaller cartridges all-around (5.56x45/5.45x39). Granted some consider 7.62x51 an 'assault rifle' cartridge, but as MPM said, many others don't. | |||
In any case, lets just remove the G3 part altogether - it'll preclude any further stubborn debates here as well as any potential confusion for new readers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 02:39, 6 June 2010
Redirect needed
Someone needs to change the redirection page for this entry so that entering "STG-44," or "STG 44," or "stg 44," or "stg-44" will all lead to this page. Isn't STG-44/STG 44 the most commonly-used designation for this assault rifle, for those of us who either don't know or don't want to type out the proper name, Sturmgewehr 44? --Mazryonh 22:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Info part
Isn't the H&K G3 a full size Battle rifle, not an assault rifle?
- Well, in German there are no "battle rifles", all of them are considered assault rifles
- In American parlance, a battle rifle fires a 'full sized cartridge' not an intermediate cartridge like the 5.56x45mm or the 7.62x39mm. The weird thing is that SOME gun historians think of the 7.61x51mm as an intermediate cartridge. These are usually the OLD TIMERS who were brought up firing the 30.06, the 7.92 Mauser, the .303R British and the 7.62x54R ammunition and they look with disdain on any 'smaller cartridge'. There are many firearms authors, though, who consider the 7.62x51mm / .308 Winchester as a full fledged full sized rifle round. For the most part, .308 is a full sized rifle round with most people, so the G3 WOULD be a main battle rifle and NOT an assault rifle, just like the FN FAL, the L1A1 and the M14. MoviePropMaster2008 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, but what I wanted to point out: the Sturmgewehr 44 is a German weapon, and it was considered an assault rifle by the Germans (In fact, Hitler invented the German term "Sturmgewehr" to describe the former MP44, and later this term was translated as "assault rifle"). The G3 is a German weapon, too, and it is considered an assault rifle by the Germans. So, both weapons are considered "assault rifles" by the people who invented the term in the first place and who developed both the weapons.
- Good point, however, as MPM stated, in general, 'assault rifles' are considered to fire smaller, 'intermediate' cartridges, such as the shortened battle rifle rounds (7.92x33 Kurz/7.62x39 M1943) or smaller cartridges all-around (5.56x45/5.45x39). Granted some consider 7.62x51 an 'assault rifle' cartridge, but as MPM said, many others don't.
In any case, lets just remove the G3 part altogether - it'll preclude any further stubborn debates here as well as any potential confusion for new readers. StanTheMan 02:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)