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::Most countries that adopted bullpups seem to regret it; soldiers hate them (and not only lefties). The advantages that everyone used to think made them so great seem pretty trivial nowadays. That's why SF units everywhere use AR while regulars use bullpups. Problem is, most of NATO doesn't have the cash (or isn't willing to spend the cash) to replace their bullpup service rifles, so they're stuck with those guns for the foreseeable future. Whereas the PLA has considerably more cash in comparison, so now is the time for them to make the switch. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC) | ::Most countries that adopted bullpups seem to regret it; soldiers hate them (and not only lefties). The advantages that everyone used to think made them so great seem pretty trivial nowadays. That's why SF units everywhere use AR while regulars use bullpups. Problem is, most of NATO doesn't have the cash (or isn't willing to spend the cash) to replace their bullpup service rifles, so they're stuck with those guns for the foreseeable future. Whereas the PLA has considerably more cash in comparison, so now is the time for them to make the switch. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah, China is actually smart about their military adopting the more tried and true look assault rifle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 21:58, 3 May 2010
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Keep the QBZ-97 carbine as the QBZ-95 carbine because 95 designation means the chinese 5.8x42mm round while the 97 designation refers to the export models which are chambered in 5.56x45 mm NATO and uses M16/AR15 STANAG magazines.
The carbine version of the QBZ-95 is the CAR-95, see: http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1719.htm
- I remember hearing somewhere that the 5.8 round performs very poorly-S&Wshooter 03:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Just to add on questionable reliability. I saw a Chinese propaganda video on youtube showcasing the weapon system. The guy demoing claims it works after being dunked in water like the HK416. What happened was he did put the rifle in water, unloaded, no round chambered, unlike the H&K demos, then loaded and chambered it after dunking it and waited up to 30 seconds before firing it. By the time you'd fire the rifle, all the water would be out and less likely to have a malfunction anyway. Excalibur01
you think everything, but S&W weapons suck @ S&W Shooter
QBZ-03
Are we going to add the QBZ-03? Same caliber, but it uses a conventional rifle layout based on the Type 81. I think it was in AO2:TFD.
- If everyone agrees with this, I will add the Norinco QBZ-03 to this page.--SB2296 07:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I wonder why would China go back to a more AK appearance when the bullpup look was pretty good already Excalibur01
@Excalibur01 There been alot of complains from the troops that the 95 rifle force them to use right handed even though some might be left handed. Also some complain with the awkard safety position lever.. however this rifle wont be phased out yet! After all it takes many years just to updates all the Chinese army division! The 03 rifle would probably be handed to elite division or special forces most likely. I hope some of these information helps.
Han
- Strange because from what i've read only right handed shooting is taught in East Asian Countries like China. Seeing as being a southpaw is discouraged from birth. --AdAstra2009 06:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
When I was reading a Guns & Ammo article on the QBZ series, they showed a photo of a French soldier teaching Chinese how to shoot a bullpup left handed, but it wasn't correct since if he fired the rifle with his cheek against the stock, he'd get a shot of brass in his face. What he should have done was SBU, tilt the rifle so the shells eject down and away. I've heard about China discouraging left handers and some horrible stories about it, but for soldiers, you have to think about it. You need to know how to shoot with your weapon hand being left or right in the event your right arm is disable and you are forced to shoot with your left hand.
The British did a similiar thing with their main rifles. Regular army have the bullpup and Special Forces gets M4s and other traditional rifles Excalibur01
- Most countries that adopted bullpups seem to regret it; soldiers hate them (and not only lefties). The advantages that everyone used to think made them so great seem pretty trivial nowadays. That's why SF units everywhere use AR while regulars use bullpups. Problem is, most of NATO doesn't have the cash (or isn't willing to spend the cash) to replace their bullpup service rifles, so they're stuck with those guns for the foreseeable future. Whereas the PLA has considerably more cash in comparison, so now is the time for them to make the switch. -MT2008 19:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, China is actually smart about their military adopting the more tried and true look assault rifle. Excalibur01 21:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)