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looks like a G3 or HK91 -Joe (Note: Good job Joe your dead on its either definitely but you can't tell.- Tyler Durden) | looks like a G3 or HK91 -Joe (Note: Good job Joe your dead on its either definitely but you can't tell.- Tyler Durden) | ||
More likely the Hk91 or as it would be commercially available in the USA rather than the G3 which was not imported in the same numbers. Another clue is the entire weapon is obviously black including the foreend. A G3 would have green furniture.- Jon P | More likely the Hk91 or as it would be commercially available in the USA rather than the G3 which was not imported in the same numbers. Another clue is the entire weapon is obviously black including the foreend. A G3 would have green furniture.- Jon P | ||
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Thief is the 1981 film that marked the directorial debut of Michael Mann. It starred James Caan as Frank, a jewel thief. Mann, director of other famous films such as Heat and Collateral is known for his attention to detail, especially in firearms. He is supposedly a certified range instructor himself, but for this film, he and actor Caan attended classes at Gunsite, a renowned firearms training facility. The story goes that they trained in the "Modern Combat Technique," until Jeff Cooper (founder of Gunsite, and the technique) learned who Mann's film protagonist was (a criminal). Cooper insisted that a thief would never be allowed to learn the Modern Technique and refused to continue instruction. Allegedly, Chuck Taylor, Cooper's operations manager at the time (and a well-known instructor himself), then decided to take them off-site and teach them the methods you see in the film.
Caan's training is obvious, as he uses an exaggerated Weaver Stance, high thumbhold grip, speed reloading, and room clearing techniques directly attributable to the Modern Combat Technique.
The following guns were used in the movie Thief:
Custom Jim Hoag M1911A1
One of the guns used by the main character, Frank (James Caan), is a 6" long slide M1911A1 pistol customized by California gunsmith Jim Hoag. There is a long vertical cutout on the skeletonized trigger, which means the pistol is most likely a Colt Gold Cup National Match. Hoag Gun Works modified the pistol by lengthening the slide, squaring the trigger guard, adding a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, skeletonized hammer and beavertail grip safety. If this pistol is indeed a Gold Cup, then it is presumably chambered in .45 ACP.
Colt Combat Commander
When Frank (James Caan) first goes to visit Attaglia (Tom Signorelli) about his money. A Colt Commander is seen in the hidden compartment of the door panel. In one brief scene, Frank flashes the Colt Combat Commander at a nightclub bouncer played by a young William Petersen. Frank is later seen with at his car lot when he is looking for Barry (James Belushi). But he is unable to use it because he gets knock out by a mobster with an M1 Carbine.
It looks like the stainless model, but I don't think stainless CC's were available in 1980, so it's probably a chromed finish. It has a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, and custom skeletonized hammer. Even though the entire pistol cannot be seen, due to the crease in Frank's waistband and the shadow it casts, it appears to be the shorter slide of a Combat Commander.
High Standard Model 10
A High Standard Model 10 shotgun is used by Carl (Dennis Farina), at Frank's car dealership and the final shootout. Dennis Farina's role as a mobster in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a Chicago Police officer for 18 years.
Smith & Wesson Model 19
Leo (Robert Prosky) uses a Smith & Wesson Model 19 with pearl grips at the end of the film.
Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose
Attaglia (Tom Signorelli) carries a Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose in the film. It's mostly tucked in his waistband so it's hard to tell.
This appears to be a Model 66 as it appears to be stainless steel rather than shiney nickel plated.- Jon P
Remington 870 Shotgun
Sgt. Urizzi (John Santucci) is seen armed with a Remington 870 Shotgun when he pulls over Frank (James Caan). John Santucci's role as a police officer in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a former thief. In addition to being a technical advisor for the film, most of the tools used by Frank (James Caan) to crack the safes were his.
M1 Carbine
An M1 Carbine is used by one of the mobsters at Frank's car dealership.
It either appears to bend after hitting him or has a folding stock? -Predator20 20:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Unknown Rifle
looks like a G3 or HK91 -Joe (Note: Good job Joe your dead on its either definitely but you can't tell.- Tyler Durden)
More likely the Hk91 or as it would be commercially available in the USA rather than the G3 which was not imported in the same numbers. Another clue is the entire weapon is obviously black including the foreend. A G3 would have green furniture.- Jon P