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Philip "Cockeye" Stein ([[William Forsythe]]) uses a [[M1911A1]] to shoot up Joe's car after the diamond heist. | Philip "Cockeye" Stein ([[William Forsythe]]) uses a [[M1911A1]] to shoot up Joe's car after the diamond heist. | ||
:The bore aperture looks way too small to be a .45 ACP pistol, more likely a 9mm. | :The bore aperture looks way too small to be a .45 ACP pistol, the barrel is more likely a 9mm/.357 bore as opposed to the large and usually noticeable 11.6mm/.451 bore. While there were various 1911/1911A1 style pistols chambered in 9x19mm, this film-or part rather-took place in 1933 and any gunman who is even vaguely familiar with the weapons of the era beyond what he has seen in movies knows that in 1933, among the gangsters, mob hitmen, bank robbery boys, road bandits and even some of the flashier and saltier G-Men; THE gun to have was the new (widespread US release in 1929) [[Colt .38 Super Government Model]]. The Colt 1911 in .38 Super was praised for its abilities at the time, which even now are better than most handguns; the Colt .38 super fired a high velocity round, commonly 130 grain FMJ @ 1,400 FPS(+/- 50 FPS) which was able to punch through automobile doors and body panels as well the body armor that was getting very popular for bandits and lawmen alike (which would stop most rounds under 1,000 FPS-like the common .38 and .32 caliber revolvers or semi-autos in .380 ACP, .32 ACP and even the big .45 ACP). In addition to the flat-shooting, high velocity, shock inducing, highly effective properties of the round itself, there is also the benefit of not only the high quality 1911 body, functions and handling characteristics but also a 9 round magazine (as opposed to the 7 round magazine the .45 ACP round allows because out it's large diameter) and a reduction in felt/perceived recoil due to the firing of a bullet with around half the mass-in compairison to the larger .45 ACP caliber 1911. As a result the gun was THE hot item until around 1935 when it was eclipsed slightly in performace by the .357 Magnum which was freshly released by Smith and Wesson as a revolver cartridge, although many preferred the .38 super because of it aboutility to function reliably in semi-automatics. | ||
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]] | [[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]] | ||
Revision as of 17:27, 16 March 2010
The following firearms can be seen used in the film Once Upon A Time In America:
Smith & Wesson Model 10
One of the Syndicate mobsters, Beefy (Frank Gio), in the beginning of the film searches for Noodles with a Smith & Wesson Model 10. Patrick "Patsy" Goldberg (James Hayden) also carries a Model 10 in addition to his P210, most notably using it to kill Joe Minoldi (Burt Young) with a bullet in the eye, and holding it to the head of Crowning (Gerard Murphy).
SIG P210
One of the Syndicate mobsters, Trigger (Ray Dittrich), searching for Noodles uses a suppressed SIG P210 to kill Eve (Darlanne Fluegel). Patrick "Patsy" Goldberg (James Hayden) also carries one with his New Service on several occasions. (This is a major anachronism as this sequence of the film takes place in 1933 and the P210 wasn't developed until 1949).
FN Model 1910
David "Noodles" Aaronson (Robert De Niro) draws and fires a FN Model 1910 to kill the mobster guarding Fat Moe in 1933.
Colt Official Police
Bugsy (James Russo) uses a Colt Official Police to kill Dominic (Noah Moazezi) just before Noodles stabs him to death in 1921. (Anachronism as the Official Police wasn't developed until 1927).
Colt Detective Special
David "Noodles" Aaronson (Robert De Niro), Max Bercovicz (James Woods), and Philip "Cockeye" Stein (William Forsythe) all carry Colt Detective Specials during the 1933 sequences. "Chicken Joe" (Richard Bright) also carries a Detective Special.
Thompson M1928
Max Bercovicz (James Woods) shoots up Joe's car with a Thompson M1928 after the diamond heist. "Chicken Joe" (Richard Bright) later uses one during the attempted assassination of James Conway O'Donnell (Treat Williams). Noodles and Max's hitmen subsequently uses Thompsons to kill Chicken Joe and one of his associates.
M1911A1
Philip "Cockeye" Stein (William Forsythe) uses a M1911A1 to shoot up Joe's car after the diamond heist.
- The bore aperture looks way too small to be a .45 ACP pistol, the barrel is more likely a 9mm/.357 bore as opposed to the large and usually noticeable 11.6mm/.451 bore. While there were various 1911/1911A1 style pistols chambered in 9x19mm, this film-or part rather-took place in 1933 and any gunman who is even vaguely familiar with the weapons of the era beyond what he has seen in movies knows that in 1933, among the gangsters, mob hitmen, bank robbery boys, road bandits and even some of the flashier and saltier G-Men; THE gun to have was the new (widespread US release in 1929) Colt .38 Super Government Model. The Colt 1911 in .38 Super was praised for its abilities at the time, which even now are better than most handguns; the Colt .38 super fired a high velocity round, commonly 130 grain FMJ @ 1,400 FPS(+/- 50 FPS) which was able to punch through automobile doors and body panels as well the body armor that was getting very popular for bandits and lawmen alike (which would stop most rounds under 1,000 FPS-like the common .38 and .32 caliber revolvers or semi-autos in .380 ACP, .32 ACP and even the big .45 ACP). In addition to the flat-shooting, high velocity, shock inducing, highly effective properties of the round itself, there is also the benefit of not only the high quality 1911 body, functions and handling characteristics but also a 9 round magazine (as opposed to the 7 round magazine the .45 ACP round allows because out it's large diameter) and a reduction in felt/perceived recoil due to the firing of a bullet with around half the mass-in compairison to the larger .45 ACP caliber 1911. As a result the gun was THE hot item until around 1935 when it was eclipsed slightly in performace by the .357 Magnum which was freshly released by Smith and Wesson as a revolver cartridge, although many preferred the .38 super because of it aboutility to function reliably in semi-automatics.
Winchester Model 1300
All of the New York Federal Reserve Bank guards are carrying Winchester Model 1200/1300 shotguns.
Smith & Wesson Model 38 Bodyguard
In 1968, Secretary Christopher Bailey/Max Bercovicz (James Woods) gives David "Noodles" Aaronson a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard to exact his revenge with, but Noodles turns him down.
