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At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the two U.S. Army sergeants, they include: | At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the two U.S. Army sergeants, they include: | ||
[[Image:Gb1.JPG|400px|none|thumb|Captured Weapons Display]] | [[Image:Gb1.JPG|400px|none|thumb|Captured Weapons Display]] | ||
[[Image:TGB 3.jpg|none|thumb| | [[Image:TGB 3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sergeant Muldoon ([[Aldo Ray]]) standing next to the Captured Weapons Display]] | ||
=== MAT-49 === | === MAT-49 === | ||
The '''[[MAT-49|MAT-49 sub machine gun]]''' was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62,, Tokarev round. | The '''[[MAT-49|MAT-49 sub machine gun]]''' was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62,, Tokarev round. | ||
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|300px|none|thumb|French MAT-49 Sub Machine Gun - 9mm]] | [[Image:MAT-49.jpg|300px|none|thumb|French MAT-49 Sub Machine Gun - 9mm]] | ||
[[Image:Gb1.JPG| | [[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|[[MAT-49]] top dead center of Display]] | ||
===Thompson=== | ===Thompson=== | ||
Also seen on the board is an M-1928A1 Thompson. The M-1928 and A1 models could have their butt stock removed and were commonly seen with the Vietcong because of the First Indochina War and Captured supplies during the Korean war | Also seen on the board is an M-1928A1 Thompson. The M-1928 and A1 models could have their butt stock removed and were commonly seen with the Vietcong because of the First Indochina War and Captured supplies during the Korean war | ||
[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg |thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP ]] | [[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg |thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP ]] | ||
[[Image:Gb1.JPG| | [[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Cong copy of [[Thompson]] in center of Display]] | ||
=== SKS Carbine === | === SKS Carbine === | ||
The Russian '''[[SKS Carbine]]''' is also on display. | The Russian '''[[SKS Carbine]]''' is also on display. | ||
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian SKS carbine - 7.62x39mm]] | [[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian SKS carbine - 7.62x39mm]] | ||
[[Image:Gb1.JPG| | [[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Russian version of [[SKS Carbine]] in center of Display]] | ||
=== PPsH-41 Submachine Gun === | === PPsH-41 Submachine Gun === | ||
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:I haven't seen this movie in a couple years, but I specifically remember it being referred to as a Chinese copy of the PPSH. Not sure if that means the actual prop weapon used in the scene was of Chinese origin, of course. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] | :I haven't seen this movie in a couple years, but I specifically remember it being referred to as a Chinese copy of the PPSH. Not sure if that means the actual prop weapon used in the scene was of Chinese origin, of course. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] | ||
I remember it being | I remember it being referred as the "ChiCom K50 submachine gun". | ||
[[User:Cutaway]] | [[User:Cutaway]] | ||
[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPsH-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]] | [[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPsH-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]] | ||
[[Image:Gb1.JPG| | [[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Chinese version of [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPsH-41 Sub Machine Gun]] at bottom of Display]] | ||
=== Mle 1892 Revolver === | === Mle 1892 Revolver === | ||
[[Image:Mle 1892.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Mle 1892 Revolver - 8 x 27mm]] | [[Image:Mle 1892.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Mle 1892 Revolver - 8 x 27mm]] | ||
[[Image:Gb1.JPG| | [[Image:Gb1.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Viet Mihn copy of [[Mle 1892 Revolver]] in center of Display]] | ||
=== Unknown Semi-Auto Pistol === | === Unknown Semi-Auto Pistol === | ||
Another weapon on the board is a small (relative to the other weapons) semi-automatic pistol. | Another weapon on the board is a small (relative to the other weapons) semi-automatic pistol. | ||
[[Image:TGB 2.jpg|none|thumb| | [[Image:TGB 2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Unknown Pistol on board]] | ||
kinda looks like a radom pistol-Doomsayer64 | kinda looks like a radom pistol-Doomsayer64 | ||
== Browning Over & Under Shotgun == | == Browning Over & Under Shotgun == | ||
The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with [[John Wayne]](and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at ''Fort Benning'' Georgia where the film was shot) uses | The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with Col. Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) (and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at ''Fort Benning'', Georgia where the film was shot) uses a Browning over-under shotgun. | ||
[[Image:Gb2.JPG| | [[Image:Gb2.JPG|600px|none|thumb|]] | ||
==Remington Model 1100 == | ==Remington Model 1100 == | ||
[[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|400px|none|thumb|Remington Model 1100 - 12 Gauge]] | Col. Kirby uses a Remington Model 1100 semi-auto shotgun while shooting skeet. | ||
[[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|400px|none|thumb|Remington Model 1100 - 12 Gauge]] | |||
[[Image:Gb3.JPG|600px|none|thumb|Col. Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the [[Remington 1100|Remington Model 1100 Shotgun]].]] | |||
[[Image:Gb3.JPG| | |||
==XM16E1 Rifle== | ==XM16E1 Rifle== | ||
In actuality, the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the [[M16]] in combat. In the movie, Kirby's men carry a XM16E1 rifles noted by the presence of a forward bolt assist with the early model three prong flash suppressor. | |||
[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16E1 Rifle - 5.56mm]] | [[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16E1 Rifle - 5.56mm]] | ||
[[Image:Gb5.JPG|none|thumb|300px|Green Beret holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]]]] | [[Image:Gb5.JPG|none|thumb|300px|Green Beret holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]]]] | ||
[[Image:TGB 23.jpg|none|thumb|400px| | [[Image:TGB 23.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) with the Mike Force armed with [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifles]]]] | ||
[[Image:TGB 31.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]] while watching Skyhook. ]] | [[Image:TGB 31.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Colonel Mike Kirby ([[John Wayne]]) holding a [[M16 rifle series|XM16E1 Rifle]] while watching Skyhook. ]] | ||
Later in the movie Wayne is seen dramatically smashing one of his men's M-16 against a tree after he is killed fighting 3 VC on his own. | Later in the movie Wayne is seen dramatically smashing one of his men's M-16 against a tree after he is killed fighting 3 VC on his own. If you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a ''Mattel M-16 Marauder'', a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also, it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen. | ||
[[Image:MattelMarauder1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun]] | [[Image:MattelMarauder1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mattel M-16 Marauder Toy Gun]] | ||
[[Image:Gb9.JPG|thumb|none| | [[Image:Gb9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Wayne smashing his fallen comrade's 'M16 rifle' making it useless to Vietcong's if they ever got a grip of it.]] | ||
==M60D Machine Gun== | ==M60D Machine Gun== | ||
Revision as of 01:23, 4 March 2010
This John Wayne film has the distinction of being one of the few movies made about the Vietnam War while the war was actually going on. It also has the somewhat more dubious honor of being the only (somewhat) pro-Vietnam War film of the era.
- Actors: John Wayne, David Janssen, Jim Hutton, Aldo Ray, Raymond St. Jacques, Jack Soo, George Takei, Patrick Wayne, Luke Askew, Edward Faulkner, Jason Evers, Bruce Cabot, Mike Henry, Rudy Robbins,
- Directors: Ray Kellogg, John Wayne, Mervyn LeRoy
The following weapons were used in the movie The Green Berets:
Captured Weapons Display
At the beginning of the film, when a group of civilians and reporters are being briefed about the capabilities of the U.S. Army Special Forces a number of captured weapons are seen on a display board behind the two U.S. Army sergeants, they include:
MAT-49
The MAT-49 sub machine gun was used widely throughout (then) French Indo-China with a great deal of them being left behind after the defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The weapon displayed here could be a locally manufactured copy which chambered the 7.62,, Tokarev round.
Thompson
Also seen on the board is an M-1928A1 Thompson. The M-1928 and A1 models could have their butt stock removed and were commonly seen with the Vietcong because of the First Indochina War and Captured supplies during the Korean war
SKS Carbine
The Russian SKS Carbine is also on display.
PPsH-41 Submachine Gun
This ubiquitous Russian PPsH-41 Sub Machine Gun is also seen on the captured weapons display but, like the SKS above it could very well be a Chinese clone.
- I haven't seen this movie in a couple years, but I specifically remember it being referred to as a Chinese copy of the PPSH. Not sure if that means the actual prop weapon used in the scene was of Chinese origin, of course. -MT2008
I remember it being referred as the "ChiCom K50 submachine gun". User:Cutaway
Mle 1892 Revolver
Unknown Semi-Auto Pistol
Another weapon on the board is a small (relative to the other weapons) semi-automatic pistol.
kinda looks like a radom pistol-Doomsayer64
Browning Over & Under Shotgun
The Airborne Colonel who shoots skeet with Col. Kirby (John Wayne) (and who was the real commander of the Airborne School at Fort Benning, Georgia where the film was shot) uses a Browning over-under shotgun.
Remington Model 1100
Col. Kirby uses a Remington Model 1100 semi-auto shotgun while shooting skeet.
XM16E1 Rifle
In actuality, the U.S. Army Special Forces were one of the first units to actively field the M16 in combat. In the movie, Kirby's men carry a XM16E1 rifles noted by the presence of a forward bolt assist with the early model three prong flash suppressor.
Later in the movie Wayne is seen dramatically smashing one of his men's M-16 against a tree after he is killed fighting 3 VC on his own. If you look carefully, the "weapon" is actually a Mattel M-16 Marauder, a plastic toy gun manufactured in the 1960's. Also, it would be near impossible for him to smash the aerospace-grade aluminum receivers by hand against a tree, which is what he would have done to really render the weapon unusable to the enemy. Like in most movies, this was done just to give viewers a 'macho' impression on the screen.
M60D Machine Gun
This is a M60D machine gun with spade grips mount in the Huey Helicopter for the crew chief and door gunner.
M60C Machine Guns mounted in M-6E3 Weapons System
This system, consisting of two double sets of M60C machine guns mounted above 8 shot rocket pods is seen attached to a UH-1 "Huey" (probably a C or D model) gunship in the movie.
Browning M2 Aircraft
Seen mounted on tripods throughout the A Camp is this aircraft version of the venerable Browning M2 easily denoted by the full length ventilated barrel shroud. The reason for using the M2 Aircraft version on film was the ease of blank conversion compared to the M2 Heavy Barrel ground gun.
M30 4.2 inch Mortar
Browning 1919A4 Machine Gun
Also used in the defense of the A Camp is this classic general purpose machine gun.
GE M134 Minigun
Seen in the interior of Puff The Magic Dragon (a name bestowed on most early USAF gunships) are a pair of these devastating weapons.
M79 Grenade Launcher
Glimpsed briefly (though never actually fired) in the movie is one of the U.S.'s more reliable light support weapons.
M1 Carbine
Seen mainly in the hands of the ARVN troopers as well as the U.S. Navy "Seabees" is this lightweight U.S. rifle although some are seen being carried by the VC.
M1 Garand
Seen in the hands of the ARVN troops as well as some VC is the all time classic U.S. battle rifle.
M14 Rifle
T-26 Tanker Garand
Mauser Gew98 Rifle
Mauser K98k Rifle
M18A1 Claymore
This standard (and extremely devastating) M18A1 Claymore U.S. anti-personnel mine makes a brief appearance in the film though the "mine" displayed is clearly a training model given its' blue coloring.
