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== XM16E1== | == XM16E1== | ||
The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry | The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. These were actual XM16E1s. | ||
[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|XM16E1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]] | [[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|XM16E1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[Image:HeroXM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Actual XM16E1 used by [[Mel Gibson]] in the movie. Picture taken from Long Mountain Outfitters website.]] | [[Image:HeroXM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Actual XM16E1 used by [[Mel Gibson]] in the movie. Picture taken from Long Mountain Outfitters website.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|500px| | [[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist. He has a pretty crappy stance too. Maybe all the "training" they did that Moore loved so much didn't help.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist. He has a pretty crappy stance too. Maybe all the "training" they did that Moore loved so much didn't help.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|500px| | [[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sergeant Savage uses the invisible side-mounted iron sight of his XM16E1 as his soldiers show military discipline by pointing their guns in random directions.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sergeant Savage uses the invisible side-mounted iron sight of his XM16E1 as his soldiers show military discipline by pointing their guns in random directions.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92633.jpg|thumb|none|500px||Some of us were clearly ''not'' soldiers.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-92633.jpg|thumb|none|500px||Some of us were clearly ''not'' soldiers.]] | ||
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== M1 Carbine == | == M1 Carbine == | ||
A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the South Vietnamese (ARVN) | A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the South Vietnamese (ARVN) interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro. | ||
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and Adjustable rear sight - .30 Carbine]] | [[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and Adjustable rear sight - .30 Carbine]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a | [[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a French soldier.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese | [[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese | [[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] and a very cool mustache, interrogates the NVA soldier.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese | [[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his [[M1 Carbine]] at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.]] | ||
== M60 machine gun == | == M60 machine gun == | ||
The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various | The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well. | ||
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 in 7.62x51mm NATO]] | [[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 in 7.62x51mm NATO]] | ||
[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|500px|U.S. soldiers open up with an M60 in ''We Were Soldiers'']] | [[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|500px|U.S. soldiers open up with an M60 in ''We Were Soldiers'']] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|500px|US soldiers in training practice what to do if they find Jane Fonda.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|500px|US soldiers in training practice what to do if they find Jane Fonda.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of | [[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|500px|That'll do, pig.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|500px|That'll do, pig.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]] | ||
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner fires his M60.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner fires his M60.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A machine gun crew fire their M60.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A machine gun crew fire their M60.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A US machine gunner | [[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A US machine gunner provides supressive fire with his [[M60]] while the rest of the 1/7CAV troopers prepare to conduct a bayonet charge against the NVA position.]] | ||
== Colt M1911 pistol == | == Colt M1911 pistol == | ||
A Colt [[M1911 pistol#M1911A1|M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is | A Colt [[M1911 pistol#M1911A1|M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is anachronistic to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a Vietcong Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough. | ||
[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP]] | [[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP]] | ||
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[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]] | [[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]] | ||
[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Captain Nadal and | [[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Captain Nadal and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline, fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]] | ||
== PPSh-41 == | == PPSh-41 == | ||
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== Genuine AK-47s == | == Genuine AK-47s == | ||
During the movie the North | During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. | ||
The [[AK-47]]s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac]. | |||
[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 with a milled receiver.]] | [[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 with a milled receiver.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]] | ||
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[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]] | [[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A | [[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A American soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A | [[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]] | ||
== MAS-36 Rifle == | == MAS-36 Rifle == | ||
In the opening scene where the | |||
In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the Indochina War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36 rifle]]s. | |||
[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|French MAS-36 Rifle.]] | [[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|French MAS-36 Rifle.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two | [[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two French soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two | [[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two French soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A | [[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A French soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]] | ||
== Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman == | == Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman == | ||
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[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|550px|"Calm down. Look, if you shoot him with that you'll only break it."]] | [[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|550px|"Calm down. Look, if you shoot him with that you'll only break it."]] | ||
[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A S&W M-13, demonstarting WHY the aluminium cylinder was unsuccessful.]] | [[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A S&W M-13, demonstarting WHY the aluminium cylinder was unsuccessful.]] | ||
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[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]] | [[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]] | ||
[[Image:GE 134 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|500px|"There are many others like it, but that one is mine."]] | [[Image:GE 134 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|500px|"There are many others like it, but that one is mine."]] | ||
== M1928A1 Thompson == | == M1928A1 Thompson == | ||
As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a | |||
As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 30-round magazine. | |||
[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]] | [[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]] | ||
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== Browning M1919A4 == | == Browning M1919A4 == | ||
Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence. | Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence. | ||
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A variant of the Browning M1919 developed during World War 2, this model is designated the M37, with the ability to feed from either the left or the right of the weapon - 30-06. This example is shown without a tripod, only the pintle mount. This the MOST likely .30 cal machine gun to be seen firing from armored vehicles.]] | [[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A variant of the Browning M1919 developed during World War 2, this model is designated the M37, with the ability to feed from either the left or the right of the weapon - 30-06. This example is shown without a tripod, only the pintle mount. This the MOST likely .30 cal machine gun to be seen firing from armored vehicles.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A | [[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A French soldier fires the [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] at Viet Minh forces.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]] | ||
== MAT-49 == | == MAT-49 == | ||
Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various | |||
Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war. | |||
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun.]] | [[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A | [[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A French soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]] | ||
== RPG-2 == | == RPG-2 == | ||
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== Karabiner 98k == | == Karabiner 98k == | ||
A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. | A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. | ||
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The following guns were used in the movie We Were Soldiers
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XM16E1
The XM16E1 assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore (Mel Gibson), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings (Robert Bagnell), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan (Chris Klein), Sergeant Ernie Savage (Ryan Hurst) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway (Barry Pepper) uses one as well. These were actual XM16E1s.
M1 Carbine
A Korean war era M1 Carbine is carried by the South Vietnamese (ARVN) interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro.
M60 machine gun
The M60 machine gun is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well.
Colt M1911 pistol
A Colt M1911 is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley (Sam Elliott) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is anachronistic to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved M1911A1 which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a Vietcong Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.
Colt M1911A1 pistol
A Colt M1911A1 is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie.
M26 Hand Grenades
In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches.
PPSh-41
The NVA and the Vietcong use PPSh-41s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie.
Genuine AK-47s
During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine AK-47s with milled receivers.
The AK-47s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer Mike Papac.
M79 grenade launcher
Various US soldiers can be seen carrying M79 grenade launchers in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum(Blake Heron) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.
MAS-36 Rifle
In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the Indochina War, various french soldiers use MAS-36 rifles.
Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman
The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall (Greg Kinnear) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminium-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminium in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminium armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disasterous fires on warships with aluminium superstructures.
GE M134 Minigun
A pair each of GE M134 Miniguns are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers at the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the movie.
M1928A1 Thompson
As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an M1928A1 Thompson with a 30-round magazine.
Browning M1919A4
Two Browning M1919A4s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.
MAT-49
Various French Soldiers use MAT-49 submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war.
RPG-2
An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an RPG-2 (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.
SKS rifle
Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use SKS rifles during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.
Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine
During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine.
Karabiner 98k
A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using Karabiner 98k rifles.
It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62mm NATO.
M1A1 Bazooka
A Viet Minh soldier uses a varient of the M1 Bazooka, the M1A1 Bazooka with one forward grip and a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence.
While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, M9A1, and M20 bazookas during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.
Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun
During the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry division perform a bayonet charge against a NVA position(which actually didn't happen in real life) a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet Degtyarev light machine gun.
Type 67 Grenade
A Chinese Type 67 hand grenade is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.
RPD Light Machine Gun
During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an RPD Light Machine Gun.
Czech ZB26
An ZB26 is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the intro sequence in the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in it's life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver.
MG34
When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an MG34 Light Machine Gun before they get killed by the Huey Helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.
Browning Hi-Power Pistol
During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a Browning Hi-Power pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself.
The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is a error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.