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== XM16E1==
== XM16E1==


The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. These were actual XM16E1's used on the film for the heroes.
The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. These were actual XM16E1's used on the film for the heroes.


[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|XM16E1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|XM16E1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Specialist Bungum fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Specialist Bungum fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A trooper with he XM16E1- Note how it appears that the trigger guard is missing.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LTC Moore conducts "recon by fire" goading enemy forces in the treeline to break cover.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LTC Moore conducts "recon by fire" goading enemy forces in the treeline to break cover.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-106714.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LTC Moore reaches for a fresh magazine.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."]]
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XM16E1

The XM16E1 assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore (Mel Gibson), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings (Robert Bagnell), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan (Chris Klein), Sergeant Ernie Savage (Ryan Hurst) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway (Barry Pepper) uses one as well. These were actual XM16E1's used on the film for the heroes.

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XM16E1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm
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The Actual XM16E1 used by Mel Gibson in the movie. Picture taken from Long Mountain Outfitters website.
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LTC Hal Moore (Mel Gibson) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."
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A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist.
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A specialist holds a XM16E1.
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LTC Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.
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Sergeant Savage about to reflexively fire without really aiming. His troopers scramble for cover, hoping that their buddies are maintaining trigger discipline, since muzzle discipline is right out the window...
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Specialist Robert Ouellette holds a XM16E1.
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Soldiers seek cover from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.
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Specialist Bungum fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.
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A wounded private with his XM16E1.
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A trooper with he XM16E1- Note how it appears that the trigger guard is missing.
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A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a UH-1 Iroquois.
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LTC Moore conducts "recon by fire" goading enemy forces in the treeline to break cover.
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LTC Moore reaches for a fresh magazine.
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"Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."
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Joe Galloway(Barry Pepper) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.
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Mel Gibson fires his XM16E1.
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Mel Gibson fires his XM16E1 and the impressive triangular muzzle flash is seen.
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Hal Moore(Mel Gibson) fires the XM16E1. Note the flash suppressor.
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A soldier fires his XM16E1 at Charlie.
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A soldier to left of the screencap with his XM16E1 at the ready.
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A soldier with his XM16E1.
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Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore(Mel Gibson) fires back at Charlie with his XM16E1 after a enemy bullet hits his flashlight.
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Two wounded US Army specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.

M1 Carbine

A Korean war era M1 Carbine is carried by the South Vietnamese (ARVN) advisor dressed in Tigerstripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is caught and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the french during the intro.

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M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and Adjustable rear sight - .30 Carbine
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A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a french soldier.
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The South Vietnamese advisor lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his M1 Carbine.
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The South Vietnamese advisor wielding a M1 Carbine and a very cool mustache, interrogates the NVA soldier.
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The South Vietnamese advisor points his M1 Carbine at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.

M60 machine gun

The M60 machine gun is used by several US soldiers. Various Door gunners use them as well.

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M60 in 7.62x51mm NATO
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U.S. soldiers open up with an M60 in We Were Soldiers
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US soldiers in training practice what to do if they find Jane Fonda.
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A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of Ia Drang.
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That'll do, pig.
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A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.
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A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.
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"What do you mean sometimes the M60 sneaks up on new recruits and eats them?"
"Don't look behind you, son."
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A door gunner gets plastered against his helicopter while holding a M60 machine gun.
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A door gunner fires his M60.
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A machine gun crew fire their M60.
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A US machine gunner mans A M60 when the rest of the US Soldiers charge the NVA position.

Colt M1911 pistol

A Colt M1911 is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley (Sam Elliott) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is anochristic to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved M1911A1 which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a Vietcong Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.

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Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP
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"Gentleman. Prepare to Defend Yourselves!" Plumley Cocks his M1911.
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Plumley reloads his M1911.
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Plumley fires his M1911.

Colt M1911A1 pistol

A Colt M1911A1 is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie.

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Colt Model 1911A1 .45 ACP

M26 Hand Grenades

In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches.

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M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade
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Captain Nadal and another soldier patrol the battlefield with M16's in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches

PPSh-41

The NVA and the Vietcong use PPSh-41s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie.

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A PPSh-41 submachine gun.
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A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.
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A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35 round stick magazine.

Genuine AK-47s

During the movie the North Vietnamise Army (NVA) use genuine AK-47s with milled receivers.

The AK-47s used in the movie were build by the Movie's Armourer Mike Papac.

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AK-47 with a milled receiver.
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NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.
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A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.
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A charlie gets shoot and drops his AK-47. Note bayonet attached.
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"Thirty rounds left, I can still kill my agent!"
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The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and trys to bayonet Mel Gibson.
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The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Mel Gibson's XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.
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NVA soldiers armed with AK-47s.
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A pile of AK-47s.
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A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by a NVA soldier who gets waxed by the chargin' americans.
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A NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge the NVA position.
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A NVA soldier gets wasted by the Huey helicopters and their M134 miniguns. All while still firing his AK.
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The same NVA soldier from the above screencap gets thrown across s wagon. Notice how he has his Pith helmet back on.

M79 grenade launcher

Various US soldiers can be seen carrying M79 grenade launchers in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum(Blake Heron) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.

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M79 grenade launcher - 40mm
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A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a M79 grenade launcher.
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A american soldier fires his M79 grenade launcher.
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A american grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.
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Bungum's M79 slung over his back.

MAS-36 Rifle

In the opening scene where the french soldiers are ambushed during the Indochina War, various french soldiers use MAS-36 rifles.

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French MAS-36 Rifle.
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The French convoy gets ambushed.
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Two french soldiers armed with MAS-36 rifles.
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Two french soldiers fire their MAS-36 rifles.
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A french soldier gets shot while holding a MAS-36 rifle.

Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman

The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall (Greg Kinnear) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminium-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminium in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminium armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disasterous fires on warships with aluminium superstructures.

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"Calm down. Look, if you shoot him with that you'll only break it."
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A S&W M-13, demonstarting WHY the aluminium cylinder was unsuccessful.

GE M134 Minigun

A pair each of GE M134 Miniguns are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers at the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the movie.

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General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm
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"There are many others like it, but that one is mine."

M1928A1 Thompson

As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an M1928A1 Thompson with a 20-round magazine.

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M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.
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Hooray! The American troops and a ARVN soldier with a M1928A1 Thompson cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry when they go to the Ia Drang Valley to chew bubblegum and kick ass. They're out of one, but they're fine for the other as long as Mel is with them.

Browning M1919A4

Two Browning M1919A4s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.

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A variant of the Browning M1919 developed during World War 2, this model is designated the M37, with the ability to feed from either the left or the right of the weapon - 30-06. This example is shown without a tripod, only the pintle mount. This the MOST likely .30 cal machine gun to be seen firing from armored vehicles.
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A french soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh forces.
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The Browning M1919A4 can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.

MAT-49

Various French Soldiers use MAT-49 submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various North Vietnam soldiers and Vietcong soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamise troops during the Indochina war.

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A MAT-49 submachine gun.
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A french soldier can be seen with a MAT-49 in the center of the screencap.
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A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.
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A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.

RPG-2

An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an RPG-2 (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.

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RPG-2 40mm with PG-2 rocket
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Fresh from disrupting a pod race, the elite NVA Tusken Raider Unit prepare to engage Hal Moore's men.

SKS rifle

Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use SKS rifles during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.

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A Russian SKS rifle.
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The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French in the intro of the movie. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the backround.
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A Viet Minh soldier holds his SKS to a French soldier, apparently believing that the left ear is a vital organ.
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"Do we take prisoners?"
"Yes. I will interrogate this bugle personally."
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A Viet Minh soldier executes a POV shot.
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A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French with his SKS rifle.
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A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.
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A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade. He's looking at a cue card off-screen that says "Arrgh."
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The Viet Minh to the left-centre of the screencap is armed with a SKS rifle.
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A NVA soldier comes out of a underground base armed with a SKS rifle.
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A Viet Minh soldier rushes the french during the intro.
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A NVA or Vietcong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by United States Air Force planes.
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A NVA soldier armded with a SKS creeps throught the dark.

Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine

During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine.

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A M44 Carbine Chambered to the 7.62x54R caliber round.
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The Viet minh soldier in the center of the screencap has a M44 carbine while the other Viet Minh soldier has a Kar98k.

Karabiner 98k

A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using Karabiner 98k rifles.

It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62mm NATO.

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Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm Mauser
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"Yankee schweinhunds!"
"I keep telling you we're not Germans, Quang."
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A Victor Charlie with a Kar98k.

M1A1 Bazooka

A Viet Minh soldier uses a varient of the M1 Bazooka, the M1A1 Bazooka with one forward grip and a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence.

While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, M9A1, and M20 bazookas during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.

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A M1A1 Bazooka.
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A Viet Minh soldier fires at french soldiers with a M1A1 Bazooka. Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.

Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun

During the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry division perform a bayonet charge against a NVA position(which actually didn't happen in real life) a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet Degtyarev light machine gun.

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A DP-28, the same variant seen in the movie.
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A wounded PAVN soldier tries to get up while the U.S. soldiers overrun the position.
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A DP-28 with dead NVA soldiers. Note the Huey chopper flying in the sky.

Type 67 Grenade

A Chinese Type 67 hand grenade is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.

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Maybe it just wants to be friends.

RPD Light Machine Gun

During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an RPD Light Machine Gun.

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An RPD.
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An NVA soldier carries an RPD to the left of the screencap.

Czech ZB26

An ZB26 is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the intro sequence in the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in it's life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver.

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An Czech ZB26.
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A Close Up of the ZB26 in the Hands of an Viet Minh Soldier.
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Another shot of the same scene. Note the mosin-nagant in the background.

MG34

When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an MG34 Light Machine Gun before they get killed by the Huey Helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.

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An MG34.
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Two NVA soldiers man a MG34 machine gun.
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A different NVA machinegunner aims his MG34 at the american soldiers.

Browning Hi-Power Pistol

During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a Browning Hi-Power pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself.

The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is a error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.

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A Commercial Browning Hi-Power Pistol.
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A French Army officer fires his Browning Hi-Power at a Viet Minh soldier.
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The French Officer gets bayoneted by a Viet Minh Officer.