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==Gun Platforms== | ==Gun Platforms== | ||
===Fake Mil | ===Fake Mil Mi-24 "Hind" Gunship=== | ||
* The " | * The "Mil Mi-24 Hind"s are excellent mockups of Hind-As (painted with winter camo) built up from French''' Aerospatiale Pumas''' and were later used again in other movies such as Rambo 2 and 3. The version depicted was the earliest incarnation of the Hind, the Model-A with the blunt angular nose. The Hind-A was also seen in the film [[Firefox]] however those were 1/12th scale Radio Control flying models. For the film [[Red Dawn]], three Pumas were modified (and all seen on film) and all had a fake Hind-A 'nose' sections built with darked tinted windows that slipped over the front end of the real Puma helicopter. (If you looked closely, you could see the real nose of the Puma 'underneath' the Hind Nose section through the tinted windows. This limited pilot vision and also restricted motion - quick turns were not possible lest the fake nose front end be ripped off the helicopter. Later incarnations of the same modified Puma helicopter removed the extended Hind Model A Nose sections but kept the fake wings and rockets pods (as these were study modifications and didn't adversely affect the aerodynamics of the Helicopter.) | ||
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind01a.jpg |thumb|none|500px]] | [[Image:RedDawnFakeHind01a.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Two of the three faux "Hind" helicopters chase the Wolverines in the beginning of the assault.]] | ||
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px]] | [[Image:RedDawnFakeHind02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One part of the PUMA helicopter that could not be modified was the bulging pods for the rear landing gear/wheels. The real HINDs are smooth sided, with retractable landing gear, to make them more sleek and aerodynamic in attack maneuvers.]] | ||
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px]] | [[Image:RedDawnFakeHind05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seen on the nose is a mockup of the '''single barreled 12.7mm heavy machine gun''' that was standard on the Hind-A helicopter. Only the later models of the helicopter upgraded to 12.7 mm YakB gatling gun.]] | ||
[[Image:RedDawnFakeHind06a.jpg |thumb|none|500px]] | [[Image:RedDawnFakeHind06a.jpg |thumb|none|500px|In real life, use of the Hind-As are a bit anachronistic, since the ubiquitous '''Hind-D''' (the version we see today with the twin tandem nose canopies) replaced all previous Hind gunships in active service, as of 1977. The Hind-As had design problems which forced their quick retirement just after 1974.]] | ||
In several shots, we can see the actual nose assembly of the original PUMA helicopter underneath the tinted glass windows of the extended "faux" nose. | In several shots, we can see the actual nose assembly of the original PUMA helicopter underneath the tinted glass windows of the extended "faux" nose. | ||
Revision as of 19:33, 10 August 2009
The following weapons were used in the film Red Dawn (1984):
Maadi ARM
- According to Long Mountain Outfitters (http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/RedDawn), the AKMs used in the movie were actually Egyptian Maadi MISR (imported into the US as the ARM) semi-auto rifles, some of the first semi-automatic Kalashnikov-type rifles ever imported into the United States (besides the Clayco AKM copies). 53 such rifles were used in the movie, 32 of which were converted to full-auto by Class 2 manufacturer Pearl Manufacturing specially for the film. These guns were later used in numerous other movies. Not to be confused with the post 1989 imported firearms called "MISR" which was modified to comply with the federal import ban.
Fake AKS-74
- Fake AKS-74s are used by Soviet Paratroopers in the first attack on the school and Soviet Spetsnaz in the battle in the snow. They are actually Maadi ARM (AKMs) that were very cleverly mocked up with skeletal stocks and a custom make muzzle brake that resembled the AK74.
Fake RPG-7
- Fake RPG-7s are used by Soviet and Communist Bloc soldiers, and later Charlie Sheen. The weapon itself is a fabricated prop, utilizing a vintage 1950s era RPG-2 as a base. A flared rear blast cone and a second 'fake' pistol grip was added as well as a fake optical sight that was fabricated out of plastic (it's a bit too large and wrongly shaped for any of the real RPG optical sights). The rocket warhead is a plastic and rubber fabrication and not an RPG-2 rocket head. The fuse tip itself is the cap from a Crest toothpaste tube!
On another note, the rocket of the fake RPG-7 (like many other films that use rocket launchers) is a foam rubber fake when firing around actors. Prior to the advent of CGI in films, they were fired with real Estes rocket motors and guided along wires to their targets. Below we see a frame of film where we can clearly see the wire that will guide the foam rubber rocket head to its intended target.
Valmet M78
- The Valmet M78 LMG was standing in for the Soviet RPK since none were available in the country when this movie was filmed. The M78 LMG was used by Russian Paratroopers in the beginning of the movie and, and later by the Wolverines, most notably by Jennifer Grey.
Fake DShK heavy machine gun
- At the time of filming there were no DShK 12.7 machine guns available for use in movies, so the armorers mocked up DShKs from M60 machine guns. Apparently the size difference between a 7.62mm gun and a .50 cal gun wasn't enough to distract people during the movie.
Fake Gorunov SGM Machine gun
- Yet another Soviet era machine gun that was mocked up from the venerable (and available) M60 Machine gun.
Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun
- Seen briefly but never used is a knocked out Browning M2 HB Heavy Machine gun, mounted on a destroyed M42 Duster.
Jatimatic SMG
- The Jatimatic was used by Colonel Strelnikov (William Smith) when he is hunting Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze at the end of the film. It was supposed to represent the Polish manufactured PM-63 machine pistol as none were available in the country during the time of filming as this was the Cold War.
GE M134 Minigun
An abandoned M134 Minigun, possibly from a crashed vehicle/chopper can be seen on the abandoned battlefield. It is noteworthy that there seem to be many 'abandoned' weapons, from 50 cal machine guns to 30 cal machine guns, however, it must be assumed that these are damaged and inoperable, or else the Soviets would never just leave them for anyone to pick up.
FN FAL
- Seen held by Cuban and Nicaraguan soldiers.
Colt SAA
- The Colt Single Action Army revolver was used by Jed (Patrick Swayze).
This revolver was a piece owned by director John Milius.
Marlin Model 336C
- The Marlin Model 336C lever action rifle was picked up from the store just after the invasion. Doug Toby who played the character of Aardvark fires a single shot from the back of a pickup truck at Russian troops, after an American UH-1 helicopter attacks the Soviets on the ground using rockets. He also uses it in some of the ambushes later in the film.
Savage 110
- Jed picks up a Savage 110 bolt action rifle from Mr. Morris' store at the beginning of the film. He uses it as a sniper rifle during some of the ambushes. The Savage is a likely candidate since the tapered barrel seen in the film more closely matches the stock barrels of the Savage 110 series, more than rifles such as the Remington 700. He also appears to have mounted a .22 rimfire scope on the rifle.
Remington 870 Wingmaster
- A Remington 870 Wingmaster was one of the weapons grabbed by the boys from Mr. Morris' store at the beginning of the movie. Originally seen in a field version with long barrel and later with the barrel cut down to just above the magazine tube after the first ambush of the Russian soldiers near the monument. Used pretty much exclusively by Robert Morris (C. Thomas Howell) throughout the movie.
Fake SA-7 Grail aka Strela-2
- A mocked up SA-7 Grail (built from metal tubing and plastic) is used by a Cuban soldier at an attacking American UH-1D Helicopter. The Mockup of the SA7 is quite accurate. However, in the film a Cuban soldier, firing a heat seeking surface to air missile, cannot hit a slow moving UH-1 "Huey" (The post Vietnam "G" model with twin turbines). This is not likely unless he panic fires into a completely wrong direction.
Smith & Wesson Model 19
- A Smith & Wesson Model 19 with combat grips is the 'survival pistol' for USAF Colonel Andrew Tanner (Powers Boothe) but is taken away from him by Erica (Lea Thompson).
M1911A1 Pistol
- An M1911A1 pistol is first seen in the cold dead hands of an American who resisted the Soviet invasion. The pistol is pulled from the hand of the man and inspected by a Soviet Paratrooper who stuffs it behind his webbing belt. The M1911A1 is also used by Colonel Andrew Tanner (Powers Boothe) during the final snow battle.
Fake RGD-5 Grenades
- In the film we see numerous fake Soviet RGD-5 hand grenades, however, the paint scheme is off and the scale is too large.
Rocket Pods (on Fake Hind Gunship)
- Seen on the mocked up Hind Model A Helicopter Gunship, along with wing mounted hard points with air to ground missiles.
Gun Platforms
Fake Mil Mi-24 "Hind" Gunship
- The "Mil Mi-24 Hind"s are excellent mockups of Hind-As (painted with winter camo) built up from French Aerospatiale Pumas and were later used again in other movies such as Rambo 2 and 3. The version depicted was the earliest incarnation of the Hind, the Model-A with the blunt angular nose. The Hind-A was also seen in the film Firefox however those were 1/12th scale Radio Control flying models. For the film Red Dawn, three Pumas were modified (and all seen on film) and all had a fake Hind-A 'nose' sections built with darked tinted windows that slipped over the front end of the real Puma helicopter. (If you looked closely, you could see the real nose of the Puma 'underneath' the Hind Nose section through the tinted windows. This limited pilot vision and also restricted motion - quick turns were not possible lest the fake nose front end be ripped off the helicopter. Later incarnations of the same modified Puma helicopter removed the extended Hind Model A Nose sections but kept the fake wings and rockets pods (as these were study modifications and didn't adversely affect the aerodynamics of the Helicopter.)
In several shots, we can see the actual nose assembly of the original PUMA helicopter underneath the tinted glass windows of the extended "faux" nose.
M42 "Duster" 40mm Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun
- An M42 "Duster" that has been knocked out of action is prominent in the ghost battlefield sequence. Of course what is noticeably lacking are Main Battle tanks like M1 Abrahms or Infantry Fighting vehicles, from the plethora of destroyed vehicles on the battlefield.
