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[[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]] | [[Image:PP-2000 magsto.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000 with spare magazine used as stock - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000 - 9x19mm]] | [[Image:Pp-2000-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000 - 9x19mm]] | ||
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Can the new Russian 9mm 7N31 +P+ armor-piercing round be fired our of any 9mm hand gun or only The PP-2000? also are teflon coated bullets effect on body armor? | Can the new Russian 9mm 7N31 +P+ armor-piercing round be fired our of any 9mm hand gun or only The PP-2000? also are teflon coated bullets effect on body armor? | ||
:::No, obviously only from weapon designed for high pressure ammunition. | :::No, obviously only from weapon designed for high pressure ammunition. | ||
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:To clarify on this -- 7N31 one is just a particular loading of 9mm. All the dimensions are the same as standard, and any 9mm gun *can* fire a 7N31 round. However, 7N31 is an extremely hot load, basically +P+, so it's not a good idea to actually use it in a gun that's not either designed around it, or overbuilt enough to handle the massively increased pressure. | :To clarify on this -- 7N31 one is just a particular loading of 9mm. All the dimensions are the same as standard, and any 9mm gun *can* fire a 7N31 round. However, 7N31 is an extremely hot load, basically +P+, so it's not a good idea to actually use it in a gun that's not either designed around it, or overbuilt enough to handle the massively increased pressure. | ||
=How did the Russians do it?= | ==How did the Russians do it?== | ||
I'm amazed that the 9x19mm cartridge could be pushed to PDW penetration levels. I thought that if such a thing was indeed possible, the FBI would have done so in their quest for a new service cartridge that resulted in the .40 S&W. I remember reading a report from the FBI that claimed the 9x19mm cartridge was "tapped out" and "nothing further could be done with it," but this new loading for the PP-2000 certainly proved that wrong. | I'm amazed that the 9x19mm cartridge could be pushed to PDW penetration levels. I thought that if such a thing was indeed possible, the FBI would have done so in their quest for a new service cartridge that resulted in the .40 S&W. I remember reading a report from the FBI that claimed the 9x19mm cartridge was "tapped out" and "nothing further could be done with it," but this new loading for the PP-2000 certainly proved that wrong. | ||
Revision as of 17:50, 22 January 2022
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Discussion
Can the new Russian 9mm 7N31 +P+ armor-piercing round be fired our of any 9mm hand gun or only The PP-2000? also are teflon coated bullets effect on body armor?
- No, obviously only from weapon designed for high pressure ammunition.
Ok that makes sense, so only Russian guns that are built for the round can fire the round with our bracking the gun. and there go's that idea. Rex095
- No, not only Russian.
- To clarify on this -- 7N31 one is just a particular loading of 9mm. All the dimensions are the same as standard, and any 9mm gun *can* fire a 7N31 round. However, 7N31 is an extremely hot load, basically +P+, so it's not a good idea to actually use it in a gun that's not either designed around it, or overbuilt enough to handle the massively increased pressure.
How did the Russians do it?
I'm amazed that the 9x19mm cartridge could be pushed to PDW penetration levels. I thought that if such a thing was indeed possible, the FBI would have done so in their quest for a new service cartridge that resulted in the .40 S&W. I remember reading a report from the FBI that claimed the 9x19mm cartridge was "tapped out" and "nothing further could be done with it," but this new loading for the PP-2000 certainly proved that wrong.
Would it be possible to modify, say, an M9 pistol with this ammunition to turn it into an ersatz PDW pistol? Would the larger bullet diameter mean it would have more stopping power than the other two major PDW calibers, 5.7x28mm and 4.6x30mm? --Mazryonh 04:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
It'd probably destroy the M9 like the higher pressure 9mm round the military USED to have did. It might work in something like a Glock though-S&Wshooter 21:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Shot is mirrored
Bednardos 10:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Corrected it. Great catch BTW. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 15:46, 19 February 2012 (CST)