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::I think they should definitely drop this whole "change it so they don't sue us" attitude considering they won the humvee lawsuit. As for the chopping of the carry handle, unlike in BO1, this time it is not so anachronistic, however, considering that the campaign is set in 1981 and the practice of using chopped ARs by the actual military, as far as I have read, became a thing in the early 2000s most likely during the invasion of Iraq, then it might be considered anachronistic. As for the rail, it appears that both in the OG BO1 and this new one, it is based on something like the [[Predator_2#Magnum_Research_Inc._Mark_VII_Desert_Eagle|rail seen on the Predator 2 Deagle]], which I cannot find any info about after many hours of research, I'd wager it is some kind of 80s proto picatinny/weaver rail? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 14:20, 27 August 2020 (EDT) | ::I think they should definitely drop this whole "change it so they don't sue us" attitude considering they won the humvee lawsuit. As for the chopping of the carry handle, unlike in BO1, this time it is not so anachronistic, however, considering that the campaign is set in 1981 and the practice of using chopped ARs by the actual military, as far as I have read, became a thing in the early 2000s most likely during the invasion of Iraq, then it might be considered anachronistic. As for the rail, it appears that both in the OG BO1 and this new one, it is based on something like the [[Predator_2#Magnum_Research_Inc._Mark_VII_Desert_Eagle|rail seen on the Predator 2 Deagle]], which I cannot find any info about after many hours of research, I'd wager it is some kind of 80s proto picatinny/weaver rail? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 14:20, 27 August 2020 (EDT) | ||
:Isn't this rifle closer to a 933 [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Colt_m4_commando_03.jpg] than an XM177? [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) | :Isn't this rifle closer to a 933 [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Colt_m4_commando_03.jpg] than an XM177? [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) | ||
::No, it isn't. The in-game gun has a shorter 10" barrel, | ::No, it isn't. The in-game gun has a shorter 10" barrel, an earlier A1 forward assist, and no case deflector. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:22, 28 August 2020 (EDT) | ||
Revision as of 21:26, 28 August 2020
Miscellaneous
US Air Force Pilot Survival Knife
A US Air Force Pilot Survival Knife issued to US Air Force jet pilots flying over Vietnam is carried by Woods in promotional media. The same knife but with a different style of scabbard is also carried by a yet unknown character in the reveal trailer.
Unidentified Knife
An unknown knife in a leather scabbard is carried by a character in the multiplayer teaser.
Attachments
C79 Optical Sight
The C79 Optical Sight is featured as an attachment. It is slightly anachronistic as it was introduced towards the end of the Cold War, in 1989.
Elbit Falcon
The The Israeli Elbit Falcon sight is featured as an attachment. Unlike in the first Black Ops, however, this time its appearance might not be anachronistic since this game has 1980s segments.
Steiner Optics CQT
The Steiner Optics CQT is featured as an attachment in multiplayer. It's appearance in a presumably Cold War setting is anachronistic as it was unveiled at Shot Show 2019.
Live Action Trailers
Thompson SMG
Carried by a US soldier deploying from a chopper in Vietnam.
M1 Garand
M1 Carbine???
M14
Unidentified US Rifle
An unknown rifle carried by US troops during anti Vietnam War protests. Possibly Springfield M1903?
Unidentified Russian Rifle
Unknown rifles are being paraded by Soviet troops. Possibly Mosin Nagants or some of the Soviet semi auto rifles?
M1 flamethrower
Used by a US soldier probably in Vietnam.
Discussion
Weapons I Saw
I saw the AK47, or I not so sure if it's an AKM or Type 56. Then I saw an RPD LMG, a FN FNC battle rifle, XM177E2 with a flattop, although to be fair, flattop was around in the 80's. Then I saw a Colt 1911A1, a Remington 700 sniper rifle, and a AKS-74U Carbine. I'm not sure if the M16 appears to be a M16A1 or XM16E1. This "Commando" however does have a forward assist, but it has a A1 pistol grip, making this gun not the Colt 733.--Treliazz (talk) 15:13, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- The AK looks like an AKM, I think. The XM177 appears to be based on the Commando from the first Black Ops, but we'll see. Also, nice work getting on this page so quick! I was ready to start it later tonight, you beat me to it. --PyramidHead (talk) 15:29, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- For clarification, I'm the one who started the page, not the guy above :P Anyway, the AK is actually an AK-47 (but with an AKM's slant compensator); note the gas block and the front sight, and the milled receiver is also seen in the trailer, though the specific shot is flipped. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:41, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- As for the "SOCIMI Type 821", that looks like MW's Uzi without the stock. I think a lot of the guns are supposed to be shared between these two games, judging by the Warzone integration and other cross-era guns like the AK-47, M1911, SKS ect.--AgentGumby (talk) 16:11, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- Naw, the rear sight's position and the folding stock mechanism below it indicate that it's a SOCIMI. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:33, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- I see now, though it still looks a bit Uzi-like. Maybe it is new attachments/furniture; I guess time will tell. --AgentGumby (talk) 17:32, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- I'm replacing the screencaps by 4K ones; the relevant image now shows more details about the SOCIMI. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
- I see now, though it still looks a bit Uzi-like. Maybe it is new attachments/furniture; I guess time will tell. --AgentGumby (talk) 17:32, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- Naw, the rear sight's position and the folding stock mechanism below it indicate that it's a SOCIMI. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:33, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
A couple leaked images I found from the game's Reddit page (may not reflect content in final version or even open beta/pre-alpha/etc.):
Multiplayer screen showing a customized LMG: https://preview.redd.it/yap84l0silj51.jpg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08e974eb33d15ceec5988ed578cd913930ee053f
Campaign screen showing an M16 (called M16A1): https://preview.redd.it/a8gvpo0silj51.jpg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09a14d017bef3e5e54ba18c69e13a90ec22e076e
In addition, from what I've heard from a few content creators on YouTube who managed to see some campaign gameplay footage, other appearing weapons include an MP5, G3 (known as Krieg-6), Type 63 assault rifle, SPAS-12, the China Lake grenade launcher, and a recurve bow or crossbow. As said earlier, these may not necessarily be in the final game, so take them with a grain of salt. --MJ79 (talk) 09:08, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
- A type Type 63 would be an interesting addition. Was it mentioned specifically as a Type 63 or could it be someone confusing it with an SKS with a 30 round detachable magazine? --PyramidHead (talk) 09:22, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
- I can't exactly tell; it said "Type 63" in a list of leaked stuff somewhere, but there's nothing visual to confirm this yet. It's all speculation. --MJ79 (talk) 09:34, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Finally
Well, took them long enough. After all the super secret projector puzzles and Warzone scavenger hunts. Look pretty cool, though. I love the 1980s Cold War, it was a pretty aesthetic time for weapons and military hardware.
So, what's on everyone's wishlists? Because I'm weird, I went and made my dream weapons list shortly after speculation about this game's existence started. I'm just hoping for period-appropriate weapons that actually make sense for the setting; I thought Modern Warfare was pretty good with that. Like, can we finally have a standard AK-74? Please? --PyramidHead (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- Wouldn't mind seeing the Czech Vz. 58, that rifle is really underrepresented in games and would fit in well in this setting. I did notice the shorty AK that is shown being suppressed in the trailer has a correct AKS-74U rear sight, which hopefully is retroactively made a usable variant in MW.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:47, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
- Looks like a properly sized AKS-74u barrel instead of the weirdo short barrel from MW2019 too, which is nice. I'm disappointed they went and made a faux Huey though, and the Tomcat also has some issues like vertical stabilizers having too much cant and intake scoops not being slanted forward enough. Also, the infamous backwards Troy BUIS from BLOPS1 makes a return, albeit actually facing the correct direction.--Aidoru (talk) 01:24, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
That's too realistic and accurate selection. If it is a true Black Ops game, then it should contain exotic, anachronistic and unheard of weapons. --Nanomat (talk) 18:56, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
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My wish list to have the XM4 Carbine (Colt 720), but it should be more like a gunsmith attachment for the XM177E1. The gun was first made in 1983 by the US Army as a customize XM177E2 with a A1 flash hider and fires M16A2 rounds. Later in January 1984, the 14.5 inch barrel and a A2 pistol grip was add it to the gun referring to as the XM4 Carbine.--Treliazz (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
Inb4 they bring back hyper-anachronistic guns like the L96A1 and the infamous FELIN version of the FAMAS again just to troll us. Anyways, I hope they brought back the "Death Machine" handheld minigun, "Grim Reaper" M202 rocket launcher and the underbarrel "Masterkey" shotgun and flamethrower attachments from the original Blops. --MJ79 (talk) 09:08, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
Steiner CQT
I don't think the reflex sight on the Stoner is a Steiner CQT, the housing for the lens goes all the forward, there's an elevation knob on the left side and a windage knob at the rear.--Aidoru (talk) 02:04, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
- This is the closest match I found. Also I believe they are going the same "modern warfare stylization" route and therefore changing some of the details. Another thing that makes me pretty convinced that they used the Steiner CQT as reference is the fact that I simply googled "Cold War holographic sight" and it popped up. --Nanomat (talk) 10:35, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
XM177 promotional image
Just linking this high quality image, for reference's sake: [1]. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:24, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
![[1]](http://www.gamereactor.eu/media/51/callduty_3245163b.png){kind=link}
- Rick Zeng told me the real reason why they add a flat top and a combination of an XM177 hider and an A1 flash hider is because of legal reasons. You also have to keep in mind that flattop was actually done in the 80s by Olympic Arms, even though back in E3 for Black Ops I, the Commando appears to have a MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail, that was introduced in 1993 when Colt developed the M4A1.--Treliazz (talk) 14:05, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
- I think they should definitely drop this whole "change it so they don't sue us" attitude considering they won the humvee lawsuit. As for the chopping of the carry handle, unlike in BO1, this time it is not so anachronistic, however, considering that the campaign is set in 1981 and the practice of using chopped ARs by the actual military, as far as I have read, became a thing in the early 2000s most likely during the invasion of Iraq, then it might be considered anachronistic. As for the rail, it appears that both in the OG BO1 and this new one, it is based on something like the rail seen on the Predator 2 Deagle, which I cannot find any info about after many hours of research, I'd wager it is some kind of 80s proto picatinny/weaver rail? --Nanomat (talk) 14:20, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
- Isn't this rifle closer to a 933 [2] than an XM177? Temp89 (talk)
- No, it isn't. The in-game gun has a shorter 10" barrel, an earlier A1 forward assist, and no case deflector. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:22, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
![[2]](http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Colt_m4_commando_03.jpg){kind=link}