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The following guns were used in this movie:
The following guns were used in this movie:


==XM16-E1==
* All of the 101st Airborne soldiers in the film carry XM16-E1 rifles, the interim variant of the M16 rifle which combined the 3 prong flash hider with the A1 style upper receiver.  In reality, the 101st AB, at this stage of the war, did NOT carry the XM16-E1, but had the M16A1 with birdcage flash hider, a fact pointed out by Hamburger Hill Veterans when the film was released.
[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16-E1 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:HH-M16A1 03a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Franz ([[Dylan McDermott]]) oversees an evac of his platoon onto UH-1D Helicopters.  He carries an '''XM16-E1 Rifle''' - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:HH-M16A1 02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|During the first battle for the 101st Airborne, all combatants are carrying XM16-E1 rifles - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:HH-M16A1 05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Left to right: Washburn ([[Don Cheadle]]), Bienstock ([[Tommy Swerdlow]]), and Galvan ([[Michael A. Nickles]]) have a laugh at Languilli's ([[Anthony Barrile]]) expense.  The three pronged flash hider on their XM16-E1 rifles are clearly shown here.]]
[[Image:HH-M16A1 06a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Franz ([[Dylan McDermott]]) sits atop his 'hooch' with his XM16-E1, enjoying the sunshine - 5.56mm]]




[[Image:m16.jpeg|thumb|none|500px||A U.S. GI firing his M16A1.]]
[[Image:m16battle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An M16A1 in action.]]


==MGC Replica M16==
* Soldiers in the beginning of the film have ModelGun Corp replica MGC M16s slung to their backs as they load wounded onto helicopters.  One of the giveaways is the 'blued' 20 round magazine (the real 20 round magazine is anodyzed aluminum), the shape of the pistol grip and the rear sling swivel.  The most obvious detail is not seen here, the fake forward assist of the replica rifle.
[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television.]]
[[Image:HH-MGCa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Soldiers of the 101st carry wounded with MGC M16 Replica rifles slung to their backs.]]
[[Image:HH-MGC-02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Soldiers of the 101st carry wounded with MGC M16 Replica rifles slung to their backs.]]


==AK-47==
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Chinese Type 56 Assault Rifle - 7.62x39mm.  This variant has a stamped receiver, the version in the film has a milled receiver.]]
[[Image:HH-Type56GroupTunnela.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|NVA hold Chinese Type 56 style AKs, some plain and some with pig-sticker bayonets - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:HH-Type56NVARunsA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA run back to their bunkers, all carrying standard AK-47 style rifles - 7.62x39mm.  These are probably Poly-Technology Legend series AK-47s.]]


==Chinese Type 56 Assault Rifle==
* Other than the milled receiver AK-47s (which are probably Poly-Technology Legend series rifles), there are obvious stamped receiver Type 56 style AK rifles with underfolder spike bayonets (aka "PigSticker".  This variant has a stamped receiver, the version in the film has a milled receiver.)
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 (fixed stock variant) with under-folding bayonet ("pig sticker") which was standard on PLA-issue Type 56s - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:HH-Pigsticker01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Pvt. Joe Beletsky ([[Tim Quill]]) takes a Type 56 Assault rifle from a dead NVA - 7.62x39mm.  Note the extended 'israeli style' screw on blank adapter.]]
[[Image:HH-Pigsticker-7Montagea.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A montage of Pvt. Joe Beletsky ([[Tim Quill]]) with his Type 56 Assault rifle during the final assault for Hill 937.]]
[[Image:HH-Type56Tunnela.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA hides in the tunnel - Type 56 rifles mixed in with Milled receiver AK-47 rifles.  Note the weird kid on the right, sitting in exactly the same position, with exactly the same expression every time the NVA takes cover  ;) ]]
[[Image:HH-NVAhillFinal 07a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HH-NVAHillBunkerA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]


==M60==
[[Image:HH-M60HillFinala.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|An unidentified 101st AB soldier fires his M60 machine gun during the final assault on Hill 937 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:HH-M60a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Duffy ([[Harry O'Reilly]]) aims his M60 while Sgt. Franz ([[Dylan McDermott]]) calls in an airstrike - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:HH-M60ChargeA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Duffy ([[Harry O'Reilly]]) runs into battle with his M60 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:HH-M60 Deada.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Duffy ([[Harry O'Reilly]]) lies dead next to his M60, a victim of friendly fire - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:HH-NVALine-02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldier uses an M60 in defense of his bunker, which is unlikely but not impossible.]]


 
==M60D==
 
* The D Model of the M60 is seen on all helicopters in the film.
 
[[Image:HH-M60DBetter-Pica.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Door gunner holds his M60D Machine gun.]]
 
[[Image:HH-M60Da.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Always seen on helicopters, here is a clear shot of the spade grips of the M60D - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:HH-M60DFriendlyFireA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Re-enacting a tragedy from the actual battle, an M60D machine gun is seen when American combat aircraft mistakenly fire on their own troops - 7.62x51mm]]


==SKS/Type 56 Carbine==
==SKS/Type 56 Carbine==
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[[Image:HH-Type56CarbineA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|An NVA soldier is killed after wounding Duffy ([[Harry O'Reilly]]) in the arm during a battle.  The Soldier holds the Chinese Type 56 Carbine with spike bayonet - 7.62x39mm. ]]
[[Image:HH-Type56CarbineA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|An NVA soldier is killed after wounding Duffy ([[Harry O'Reilly]]) in the arm during a battle.  The Soldier holds the Chinese Type 56 Carbine with spike bayonet - 7.62x39mm. ]]
[[Image:HH-SKS-bayonetA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldier bayonets Sgt. Franz ([[Dylan McDermott]]) in his side during the final battle - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:HH-SKS-bayonetA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldier bayonets Sgt. Franz ([[Dylan McDermott]]) in his side during the final battle - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:HH-Type56Rainfalla.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A montage of the scene where the NVA soldier shoots Gaigin and Doc with his Type 56 Carbine (SKS).  This is particularly hard to see due to the heavy rainfall and dense smoke of the scene.  The REAR SIGHT is flipped up, most likely occurring when the rifle snags on debris as the man crawls back and forth from his hole.  The sight cannot be used in this manner for any sort of aimed fire, so he is purely pointing and shooting, also note the person responsible for changing the text on my pictures is a panty waste that does not know the difference between a front a rear sight.]]
[[Image:HH-Type56Rainfalla.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A montage of the scene where the NVA soldier shoots Gaigin and Doc with his Type 56 Carbine (SKS).  This is particularly hard to see due to the heavy rainfall and dense smoke of the scene.  The front sight is flipped up, most likely occurring when the rifle snags on debris as the man crawls back and forth from his hole.  The sight cannot be used in this manner for any sort of aimed fire, so he is purely pointing and shooting.]]
[[Image:HH-NVABunker 05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldier with a Type 56 Carbine (SKS) fires next to an NVA using a Type 56 Assault Rifle (AK47) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:HH-NVABunker 05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldier with a Type 56 Carbine (SKS) fires next to an NVA using a Type 56 Assault Rifle (AK47) - 7.62x39mm]]



Revision as of 10:12, 7 June 2009

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Hamburger Hill (1987)


1:00AM. my machine is crapping out, I will upload tomorrow using a different computer MoviePropMaster2008 08:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The following guns were used in this movie:

XM16-E1

  • All of the 101st Airborne soldiers in the film carry XM16-E1 rifles, the interim variant of the M16 rifle which combined the 3 prong flash hider with the A1 style upper receiver. In reality, the 101st AB, at this stage of the war, did NOT carry the XM16-E1, but had the M16A1 with birdcage flash hider, a fact pointed out by Hamburger Hill Veterans when the film was released.
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XM16-E1 - 5.56x45mm.
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Sgt. Franz (Dylan McDermott) oversees an evac of his platoon onto UH-1D Helicopters. He carries an XM16-E1 Rifle - 5.56mm
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During the first battle for the 101st Airborne, all combatants are carrying XM16-E1 rifles - 5.56mm
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Left to right: Washburn (Don Cheadle), Bienstock (Tommy Swerdlow), and Galvan (Michael A. Nickles) have a laugh at Languilli's (Anthony Barrile) expense. The three pronged flash hider on their XM16-E1 rifles are clearly shown here.
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Sgt. Franz (Dylan McDermott) sits atop his 'hooch' with his XM16-E1, enjoying the sunshine - 5.56mm


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A U.S. GI firing his M16A1.
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An M16A1 in action.

MGC Replica M16

  • Soldiers in the beginning of the film have ModelGun Corp replica MGC M16s slung to their backs as they load wounded onto helicopters. One of the giveaways is the 'blued' 20 round magazine (the real 20 round magazine is anodyzed aluminum), the shape of the pistol grip and the rear sling swivel. The most obvious detail is not seen here, the fake forward assist of the replica rifle.
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The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television.
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Soldiers of the 101st carry wounded with MGC M16 Replica rifles slung to their backs.
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Soldiers of the 101st carry wounded with MGC M16 Replica rifles slung to their backs.

AK-47

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Chinese Type 56 Assault Rifle - 7.62x39mm. This variant has a stamped receiver, the version in the film has a milled receiver.
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NVA hold Chinese Type 56 style AKs, some plain and some with pig-sticker bayonets - 7.62x39mm
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NVA run back to their bunkers, all carrying standard AK-47 style rifles - 7.62x39mm. These are probably Poly-Technology Legend series AK-47s.

Chinese Type 56 Assault Rifle

  • Other than the milled receiver AK-47s (which are probably Poly-Technology Legend series rifles), there are obvious stamped receiver Type 56 style AK rifles with underfolder spike bayonets (aka "PigSticker". This variant has a stamped receiver, the version in the film has a milled receiver.)
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Norinco Type 56 (fixed stock variant) with under-folding bayonet ("pig sticker") which was standard on PLA-issue Type 56s - 7.62x39mm
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Pvt. Joe Beletsky (Tim Quill) takes a Type 56 Assault rifle from a dead NVA - 7.62x39mm. Note the extended 'israeli style' screw on blank adapter.
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A montage of Pvt. Joe Beletsky (Tim Quill) with his Type 56 Assault rifle during the final assault for Hill 937.
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NVA hides in the tunnel - Type 56 rifles mixed in with Milled receiver AK-47 rifles. Note the weird kid on the right, sitting in exactly the same position, with exactly the same expression every time the NVA takes cover  ;)
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M60

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An unidentified 101st AB soldier fires his M60 machine gun during the final assault on Hill 937 - 7.62x51mm
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Duffy (Harry O'Reilly) aims his M60 while Sgt. Franz (Dylan McDermott) calls in an airstrike - 7.62x51mm
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Duffy (Harry O'Reilly) runs into battle with his M60 - 7.62x51mm
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Duffy (Harry O'Reilly) lies dead next to his M60, a victim of friendly fire - 7.62x51mm
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NVA soldier uses an M60 in defense of his bunker, which is unlikely but not impossible.

M60D

  • The D Model of the M60 is seen on all helicopters in the film.
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Door gunner holds his M60D Machine gun.
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Always seen on helicopters, here is a clear shot of the spade grips of the M60D - 7.62x51mm
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Re-enacting a tragedy from the actual battle, an M60D machine gun is seen when American combat aircraft mistakenly fire on their own troops - 7.62x51mm

SKS/Type 56 Carbine

  • The Chinese variant of the Russian SKS, the Type 56 Carbine with spike bayonet, is used by the NVA combatants in the film.
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Chinese Type 56 Carbine with spike bayonet - 7.62x39mm.
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An NVA soldier is killed after wounding Duffy (Harry O'Reilly) in the arm during a battle. The Soldier holds the Chinese Type 56 Carbine with spike bayonet - 7.62x39mm.
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NVA soldier bayonets Sgt. Franz (Dylan McDermott) in his side during the final battle - 7.62x39mm
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A montage of the scene where the NVA soldier shoots Gaigin and Doc with his Type 56 Carbine (SKS). This is particularly hard to see due to the heavy rainfall and dense smoke of the scene. The front sight is flipped up, most likely occurring when the rifle snags on debris as the man crawls back and forth from his hole. The sight cannot be used in this manner for any sort of aimed fire, so he is purely pointing and shooting.
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NVA soldier with a Type 56 Carbine (SKS) fires next to an NVA using a Type 56 Assault Rifle (AK47) - 7.62x39mm

M79 grenade launcher

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M79 grenade launcher - 40mm
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McDaniel (Don James) gestures for others to follow him, while carrying his M79 grenade Launcher - 40mm
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McDaniel (Don James) chases fleeing NVA soldiers in the forest with his M79 grenade Launcher - 40mm
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Sgt. Frantz (Dylan McDermott) looks on as Pvt. Joe Beletsky (Tim Quill) struggles to load and fire the M79 after being assigned grenadier after McDaniel's death - 40mm
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Pvt. Joe Beletsky (Tim Quill) becomes much more adept at using the M79 launcher during the final battle for Hill 937
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Pvt. Joe Beletsky (Tim Quill) fires his M79 Grenade Launcher - 40mm

M26 grenade

  • A variety of 'lemon grenades' are seen on soldier's web gear throughout the film. They are often seen from a distance on webbing or in men's hands as they are thrown. In real life they are supposed to be M61 Grenades (virtually identical to the M26A1 lemon grenades most associated with Vietnam), however, these have a slightly unusual shape, implying that they are some sort of 'trainer' grenade that is not often used to impersonate the M26/M61 series of grenades.
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M26 HE Frag hand grenade
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Worcester (Steven Weber) has what appears to be M26/M61 grenades on his web gear, however the shape is slightly 'off'.
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Lt. Eden (Tegan West) reacts to his severed arm, while an M26 Hand grenade is clearly shown on his web gear.

M18 Smoke Grenade

  • Seen on soldier's gear, primarily NCOS and RTOs.
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RTO Murphy (Michael Dolan) has M18 Smoke grenades attached to his web gear.

Fake RPG Training Aid

  • When Sgt. Frantz (Dylan McDermott) is lecturing the new members of the platoon, he uses a former NVA crossover (a participant in the Chieu_Hoi program [1]) named "Han" to demonstrate how 'not paying attention' will get them killed. Han is 'armed' with a long empty tube made to resemble an RPG launcher of sorts. It has a dud Warhead on it. "Han" demonstrates his skill and ability by avoiding the noisemakers, trip wire and barbed wire of the perimeter to get within striking distance of the G.I.s
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"Han" holds up his training aid fake RPG
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"Han" says 'hello' to the new replacement soldiers

Chinese Type 58 Stick Grenade

  • Throughout the film, the enemy uses the Chinese Type 56 (aka Type I) stick grenade. It is an oval pineapple style grenade on a short wooden stick and noticeably shorter than the famous German Stielhandgranate of WW2 fame.
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Browning M2HB Machine gun

  • Seen in the distance on some of the perimeter shots of the base camps and mounted on M113 APCs.
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An M113 APC rolls by with soldiers 'grabbing a ride'. An Browning M2HB is visible mounted on the front - .50 BMG. Contrary to what is depicted in the film, soldiers riding vehicles were supposed to wear their M55 or M68 flak jackets, even though they were not bullet proof, they protected against grenade or bomb fragments, including roadside mines and boobytraps. Only in close quarters battle where quick movement trumped ballistic protection, did the soldiers ditch their flak vests.

M1911A1

M72A1 LAW Rocket

  • Carried by some soldiers, but not seen used. Since the enemy at this stage had no armor to defeat, the M72 LAW rockets were used primarily as 'bunker busters', though they are not effective against soft earth targets like the tunnel entrances on Hill 937.
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Soldier seen climbing the hill with an M72 slung on his shoulder - 66mm
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Soldier seen climbing the hill with an M72 slung on his shoulder - 66mm

Gun Platforms

M41 Walker Bulldog Tank

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An M41 Walker Bulldog tank with an 76mm M32 Main gun is seen in a field during a lull in the fighting. The fact that this tank has U.S. Armored Division markings is a bit of an anachronism, since the M41 was only supplied to the ARVN and was an obsolete tank for U.S. Forces. In fact, the M41 was perfect for the ARVN Armored units, since it's interior was too small for "American" tank crews but perfect sized for the small statured Vietnamese tankers. The Bulldog's secondary armament was one Browning M2HB .50 Cal machine gun and an .30 Cal Machine gun