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[[Image:KHLugerP08-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oddball draws and chambers his Luger P08 in the town.]]
[[Image:KHLugerP08-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oddball draws and chambers his Luger P08 in the town.]]
[[Image:KHLugerP08-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oddball turns the Luger sideways in his .45 holster when preparing to face the Tiger Tank so he can draw it quickly if needed.]]
[[Image:KHLugerP08-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oddball turns the Luger sideways in his .45 holster when preparing to face the Tiger Tank so he can draw it quickly if needed.]]
==Walther P38==
The German lieutenant ([[John G. Heller]]) commanding the outpost near the minefield is armed with what appears to be a holstered [[Walther P38]].
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 pistol World War II date of production]]
[[Image:German_lieutenant2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The lieutenant answers a phone call.]]
[[Image:German_lieutenant3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The lieutenant with his binoculars at the minefield.]]
Kelly's Heroes is a 1970 World War II action comedy directed by Brian G. Hutton (Where Eagles Dare) and stars Clint Eastwood as a recently demoted US Army officer who leads a personal mission behind enemy lines to find a hidden cache of gold bullion stolen by the German Army. The film's cast also includes Don Rickles, Telly Savalas, Harry Dean Stanton, and Donald Sutherland.
The following weapons were used in the film Kelly's Heroes:
Many of the soldiers in the film are armed with M1A1 Thompson submachine guns noted by their triangular "bunny ear" sight housing including Private Kelly (Clint Eastwood) and Master Sergeant "Big" Joe (Telly Savalas). These guns were specially requested by Kelly for his special squad to find the gold behind enemy lines, which is why they are not armed mainly with M1 Garand rifles like a normal squad. Throughout the film, the M1A1 Thompsons sometimes switch with older M1 Thompson submachine guns with more complex bolts and cheaper bolted peep sights on the back with no protective housings.
The older M1 Thompson submachine guns are seen in the hands of many soldiers, which had more complex bolts and cheaper style peep sights which have no protective housings like the M1A1s. They are mainly seen switching with the M1A1s throughout the film as a continuity error.
Inaccurately shown as the most prolific weapon of the German Army, the MP40 submachine gun is seen in the hands of almost all the German soldiers in the film. Noteworthy is that all of the German Soldiers armed with the MP40 submachine gun aren't wearing the MP40 magazine pouches, but the Black leather tri-pouch for the Karabiner 98K.
Pvt. Fisher (Dick Balduzzi) uses an M1 Carbine which he usually keeps fitted with an M8 rifle grenade launcher fixed on the barrel as his main weapon throughout the film. Upon closer inspection, the M1 Carbine appears to be an anachronistic post-1945 variant given the bayonet lug and adjustable rear sight.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingM1 Carbine, late 1945 issue with adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug - .30 Carbine. Usually referred to as the Korean War Era M1 Carbine, since it saw the most US military action in that campaign. This version is seen most often in World War II movies, despite being anachronistic for most World War II battles. (There are no wartime photographs of soldiers carrying this model M1 Carbine during World War II, however occupation troops had them.)Error creating thumbnail: File missingA soldier is seen with an M1 Carbine slung over his back.Error creating thumbnail: File missingPvt. Fisher with his M1 Carbine rested against the rock wall.Error creating thumbnail: File missingPvt. Fisher with his M1 Carbine.Error creating thumbnail: File missingPvt. Fisher with his M1 Carbine. Note rifle grenade launcher.Error creating thumbnail: File missingPvt. Fisher fires a rifle grenade from his M1 Carbine.
M1 Garand
Despite the fact that the M1 Garand rifle was the most commonly employed weapon in the U.S. Army during WWII, the rifle is seldom seen and is never used or fired in the film. Many are seen slung on the backs of extras as they march past Kelly in his jeep when he talks with Big Joe. It is seen in the hands of Pvt. Babra (Gene Collins) at the beginning of the film. Captured Garands were occasionally used by the Wehrmacht with the re-designation SlGew 251(a) ("Self-Loading Rifle 251 (American)").
Pvt. Gutkowski (Richard Davalos), the squad sniper, is armed with a Mosin Nagant M91/30 sniper rifle outfitted with a 3.5PU scope. It would be far more accurate if he had been using a M1903A4 Springfield sniper rifle. The movie was filmed in Yugoslavia which had a surplus of older Soviet weapons which included the Mosin Nagant. There's a remote possibility though that Gutkowski captured the rifle from a German sniper, who originally captured the rifle from a Red Army sniper on the Eastern Front. According to Capt. Clifford Shore, the author of With British Snipers to the Reich, many German snipers were using captured Soviet-made Mosin-Nagant sniper rifles alongside the Mauser Kar98k sniper rifle in Western Europe during the later years of World War II. However there are many reasons why American command would frown upon 'scrounging' for such a weapon (lack of ammo in that caliber would be one reason) and also the American Army in Southern France was very well supplied, and except for grabbing a foreign weapon in the heat of battle, U.S. Forces would not be allowed to scrounge foreign weapons except perhaps as souvenirs.
The Karabiner 98k was the standard rifle of the German army during WWII but like many old WWII movies, the MP40 is shown as the main weapon of the Germans (see also Where Eagles Dare), which was the exact opposite in real life. In this film, the Kar98k is actually seldom seen. In real life, the MP40 was issued the same way the Thompson M1A1 was issued in the American Army. Submachine guns were for NCOs, Officers, Members of Crew served weapons, or specified members of special units like Airborne troops. Every enlisted man was not issued a submachine gun. Of course, towards the end of the war, the Wehrmacht issued anything they had left in inventory to every able bodied soldier.
In one scene, a U.S. soldier can be briefly seen in the background with a Lee-Enfield No.4 rifle slung over his shoulder - which is odd to see because the Lee-Enfield No.4 rifle was the standard-issue rifle of the British Army and British Commonwealth forces serving in Western Europe during World War II. There were literally hundreds of Yugoslavian 'extras' as American soldiers and this anachronistic rifle was more than likely handed out as 'filler' for the many M1 Garand or the Springfield 1903 rifles. It is just unfortunate for the filmmakers that the one bit of footage clearly showing the British rifle is seen in the film.
The wz.28 light machine gun takes the place of the American Browning Automatic Rifle for the film with noticeable differences such as a larger wooden forend, different style bipod, cooling barrel fins, a pistol grip, and a dust cover: about half of these features are because the wz.28 is a clone of the Colt Monitor rather than the BAR, while the rest were added to the gun by the Polish army for it to meet their military requirements. It is most notably seen in the hands of Pvt. Petuko (Perry Lopez), Pvt. Mitchell (Fred Pearlman) and Pvt. Grace (Michael Clark).
The aircraft version of the Browning M2 is seen mounted on top of the Sherman tanks under the command of Sgt. Oddball (Donald Sutherland), noted by their perforated barrel shrouds. During the assault on the town, Pvt. Kelly (Clint Eastwood) mans the M2 mounted on Oddball's tank and fires it at a Tiger Tank before the Sherman destroys it with a shot to the weak rear end. The guns appear to be fitted with a muzzle blank adapter which dimensions are clearly smaller than a .50 caliber to allow enough pressure to cycle the gun, though the blanks being fired are indeed .50 BMG blanks.
The Browning M1919A4 machine gun is seen as one of the weapons carried by Kelly's squad and when their vehicles are destroyed by friendly plane fire, SSgt. Crapgame (Don Rickles) is ordered by MSgt. Big Joe to lug the .30 cal around, which he hates and throughout the film he tries to pawn the gun off on others to carry. Like the M3, the 1919 guns in the film are fitted with muzzle blank adapters, more notable on the .30 cals because the muzzles would normally recoil on the real gun but the adapters clearly block them from sight.
One interesting consequence of filming in Yugoslavia was the usage of eastern European weapons in the place of American ones. The production used the Polish Vis wz. 35 pistols (also referred to widely and incorrectly as the "Radom") as a substitute for the similar looking US M1911A1 handgun (which would be standard issue to American forces). American Soldiers such as Pvt. Kelly (Clint Eastwood), Platoon Sgt. Bellamy (Len Lesser) and General Colt (Carroll O'Connor) carry the Vis wz. 35 Radom pistols as their sidearms.
Oddball (Donald Sutherland) keeps a Luger P08 pistol as his sidearm of choice, which somehow seems to fit his quirky character. Instead of keeping it in a Luger holster, he keeps it in the poorly fit U.S. M1916 holster.
The German tank commander (Karl-Otto Alberty) is seen with a pistol in his right front pocket connected to a lanyard. It is never shown in detail.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe commander stepping down from his tank. The lanyard is in black color and barely visible around his neck connecting to the pistol in his front pocket.
Other
F1 Hand Grenade
What appear to be Mk 2 Hand Grenades are carried by all the members of Kelly's squad, notably MSgt. Big Joe. Upon closer inspection, these appear to be French F1 hand grenades.
Four barreled AA/AT (anti-aircraft/anti-tank) 2 cm Flakvierling 38s are seen used by the Germans when Oddball and his tanks assault the train station and they are all destroyed before they inflict any damage on the tanks.
In most Hollywood films depicting the Second World War, anachronistic American tanks such as the M47 or M48 Patton (Battle of the Bulge, Patton) were often used as substitutes for the German Tiger and Panther tanks. Kelly's Heroes was the rare Hollywood film to have been able to depict reasonably accurate World War II German armor (prior to 1998's Saving Private Ryan). The Tigers seen in the film were mockups constructed from the chassis of Russian T-34's and were originally used for the 1969 film The Battle of Neretva.
