Talk:Glock pistol series: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Glock pistol series: Difference between revisions
Here's what Hugh Laurie (yes, the "House M. D."-guy) had to say about that in his novel "The gun seller":
"You may have read, at one time or another, some of the nonsense that’s been written about the Glock. The fact that its body is made from a fancy polymer material got one or two journalists very excited a while back about the possibility that the gun might not register on airport X-ray machines - which happens to be so much hooey. The slide, barrel, and a fair portion of its innards are metal, and if that weren’t enough, seventeen rounds of Parabellum ammunition are pretty hard to pass off as lipstick refills. What it does have is a high magazine capacity for a low weight, great accuracy, and virtually unequalled reliability. All of which have made the Glock 17 the choice of housewives everywhere."
Dr. House, I couldn't agree more.
--Lastgunslinger 22:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I have to admit that my whole perspective of Glock changed when they sued Smith & Wesson over the Sigma. I mean, they make more money from their handguns than any other company in the world and then they go and sue someone. The Glocks design is so simple it resembles every handgun, you might as well sue them all. I see the similarities but they are easily telled apart. Not a cool thing to do Glock, I wish you hadn't stooped down like that.
'Resembles Every Handgun'
"The Glocks design is so simple it resembles every handgun, you might as well sue them all."
It only resembles every handgun, because almost every brand has a Glock copy now. There wasn't anything like it back in 1982 when it was released. Back then its main competitors were the 1911, S&W 39, Berreta 92 and various wheel guns. Gunner313
Not to mention that S&W didn't just copy the Glock design they cloned it with parts that would fit into a Glock body, with potentially disastrous consequences.
A copy is a near exact of something. The S&W Sigma is the only Glock copy. The rest are just polymer pistols.--FIVETWOSEVEN 18:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I think he mans that is so genaric and non-descript in apperance that it has gained the status of being the genaric
icon for "pistol" among the populous, especially laymans.
An example being that I asked my parents (who know nothing of guns) to draw their interpretation of a pistol, what they drew was inescapeably a glock-like design.
I think this is because its basically just a rectangular prism with a very simple handguard on it, also its common use by police give it a good possition in the public eye even for those who avoid movies and other media for whatever reason.
Compaired to other self loading pistols the only competition I can see it having is the Beretta 92 serise of guns, also yes I think your point is very valad - other companies making sudo-glocks means that their image is even more common and that the layman will associate the image of a glock less with glocks and more with the term "pistol".
- annon
Durability
Does anyone else find it ironic that Glock's are nigh indestructible but feel really fragile?-S&Wshooter 23:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
The Glocks I've fired, for the most part, don't feel extremely fragile. Sure, they don't have that 'all metal heft' that some other handguns have, which makes them lighter, and conceivably more fragile feeling, but none of mine have never felt like they would shatter if I dropped them. I might be misunderstanding what you mean, though. Acora 21:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
It just about takes a nuclear blast to destroy one, but at the same time it feels like I could cruch it with my bare hands-S&Wshooter 20:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I've never noticed them feeling fragille, but that could be because I can't get over how friggin' UNCOMFORTABLE they are to hold. I'm not trying bash glocks here, they just don't fit my hand. At all.--TheDon 00:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Catastrophic Failure
The Portland, Oregon police department stopped offering the .45 Glock 21 as an option for Officers to carry on duty after two incidents in which the weapons exploded in the hands of the range master during testing. Afterwards reports came in from across the country of similar incidents with the Glock 21. Do all Glocks chambered for powerful cartridges (.45, 10mm) have this problem or is it just the Glock 21? Furthermore do all Glock 21s have this issue or were these just a few rare accidents? I don't particularly like Glock pistols but never considered them dangerous (at least to the user) before hearing about these incidents.
-Anonymous
Hmm. Given the problems that PPB has given Glock in the past (back in the early nineties they commented that "PBB is one of those customers we can't seem to ever make happy") I'm not surprised they blame the company rather than themselves. They also refused to fly to Smyrna to allow Glock to examine one of the pistols; they also refused to allow Glock to remove even one of the allegedly defective pistols for lab tests. The PPB also failed to submit either of the pistols for independent testing, despite stating that it would.
If there was a design flaw it would have shown up long before now. Glock has ~65% of the US LEA market, mostly in .40 and while the "Short and Weak" isn't nearly as powerful as 10mm Auto, it's generally loaded to higher pressures than .45 ACP
I've used the G20 and G29 (both chambered for the far more powerful 10mm Auto round) for years and haven't had a gun explode or do anything worse that FTE when used with poor ammunition. A few years back we torture tested one with 15,000rds in a single day, it didn't explode.
It's not just .45 and 10mm. I've personally seen a glock 17 explode with factory ammo. Not a pretty sight. --TheDon 00:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Portland Police and its standards
The Portland Police Bureau is a strange department. I've known experienced officers who have tried to get on with the PPB only to be told that they didn't meet Portland's criteria. In a couple cases they were experienced Oregon certified officers from neighboring cities. One of them spent a year in Kosovo with the U.N. civil police training task force. It's a strange city with an odd police administration. I've known a few good cops who work for Portland, but overall I'm glad that I never applied with the PPB.Ultimately I believe the politics of that part of Oregon would have driven me crazy.Very very LEFT WING. --Jcordell 15:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
It's only certain Glock models that do it. I've noticed it a lot on the .40 S&W models such as the 22 or 23. The problem is that in order to increase more reliable feeding as well as to make the gun cycle more reliably, Glocks have more of their chambers cut away, which leaves parts of the case unsupported. They count on the casing to hold in the powder load. I think it happens mostly on the larger cartridges such as 10mm Auto, .40 S&W or .45ACP. Haven't heard of it happening on any of the .45GAP models though. I'm personally not a big fan of Glock pistols. I don't find them very visually appealing and I hate the lack of a manual safety. And I really, really dislike the trigger they make on it. They need to take off the little lever in the trigger, and just go to a solid double action trigger and put a manual safety on it. I'm a 1911 man, but I think there are many other designs that are better than Glock's. For example, Sig Sauer or H&K. Or Springfield's XD series. S&W Sigma. I mean the list goes on and on. I won't buy a Glock for the reasons I mentioned above. Right now, all I own are 1911s and one H&K USP .45.
I'm a bit confused. You say that you do not like Glock pistols because you find them unattractive and you prefer a manual safety, both of which are valid reasons. But then you claim that designs from SIG Sauer, H&K USP, the Springfield XD, and the S&W Sigma -- all of which, save for a few specialty models, do not have a manual safety -- are superior to the Glock design. That just doesn't make sense. It's perfectly fine to dislike Glock pistols, but to claim that they are inferior to other designs for lacking a manual safety, when those very other designs also lack manual safeties, is rather odd. 68.39.83.179 22:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
I've only had hands-on experience with the Glock 21 myself. Me and my sister shot one on my birthday this year, and she had the Glock malfunction on her too, albeit not nearly as severely as the incidents mentioned above. She pulled the trigger and the weapon failed to discharge. When I cleared the chamber, I found that the pin had missed the primer and struck the back of the casing. After that though we didn't have any further problems with the weapon, that being the only round out of 50 we put through the Glock 21 that had a misfire. Orca1 9904 03:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Not sure on the Sigma, but the XD has a grip safety, and most sigs have de-cockers. I don't know if those meets your definition of 'manual safety', but they're certainly more than glock has.--TheDon 15:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Glock 18
what would a fully automatic pistol be used for? VIPs protection and CQC
There was a fad for such machine pistols (VP-70 and M-93R for other examples).
But the Personal defense weapon have taken this firearm nitch and more. Rex095
Sort of like lasers when they first came out.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
what do you mean? about the lasers
Lasers were thought to be the end-all substitute for irons yet now they are just seen as a gimmick.--FIVETWOSEVEN 18:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
It's not really a gimmick today. People still use lasers to aim, distract someone by aiming at their eyes and for small frame guns where the iron sights are bad, like a pocket gun Excalibur01 14:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Generation 4 Glocks
I realized that the page is laking the Gen 4 Glock 17 and Gen 4 Glock 22 --Yocapo32 17:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Added the Gen 4 model for Glock 22--SB2296 17:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The picture you posted is not a 4th Generation Glock; it is an RTF (Rough Texture Frame) model, which is not the same thing. The main difference between the 4th Gen Glocks and older models is that they now have removable backstraps. And anyway, we don't need the picture until we know they've appeared in movies (and at the rate armorers buy new pistols, no time soon.) IMFDB's policy is that we don't need a picture of every variant of a gun that has ever existed (at least not on the gun's page), and especially if it hasn't appeared in anything yet. -MT2008 18:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Well that and the fact that the 4th Generation also has a captive recoil spring, but of course how in the hell do you show that? Shot a 4th Gen G17 today at the range. Very nice. Recovery is all that much faster. I was impressed. The company will be coming out with the 4th Gen G19 in a month or so. However the 4th Gen G21SF isn't due out until next year. Sorry 45 acp mafia. I was talking to one of the corporate guys so I feel confident that he knows what he's talking about. Anyway just some nice to know trivia.--Jcordell 05:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Question about the Gen 4s: Is it true that the compact and subcompact models aren't compatible with the standard size magazines like the previous generations can? - User: 2wingo
I do not mean to interrupt the discussion, folks, but would it be appropriate to update all of the applicable sections with Generation 4 version photos? --L.J. Gibbs (talk) 13:55, 5 December 2014 (EST)
Um, no. Read MT2008's post - We don't need images of Generation 4 Glocks until they've appeared in something. We have ones for the 17 and 23, which have been seen in some form of media (supposedly), but again, I agree we have no need for Gen 4 images of the other models until then. StanTheMan (talk) 22:18, 5 December 2014 (EST)
Glock 34
Just looking at the section for the Glock 34, only End of Days and Man on Fire. In both movies, It's used by the Main Character to attempt suicide. That's gonna be a good ad campaign: "When You Can't Go On Anymore, Reach For Your Glock 34"
That is horrible. But it's also kinda funny. - User: 2wingo
1st Generation
Did the first generation of Glock pistols feature anything other than the Glock 17? I've seen second and third generation versions of nearly every model, but the only first generation pistols I've ever seen are Glock 17s. -Anonymous
A small number of first generation Glock 19's were made. - Right Wing Gun Nut
It should have only been in the glock 17...and you shouldn't see one easily because they didn't meet ATF regulation until the generation 2.--Spades of Columbia 22:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
What reg did they not meet?--FIVETWOSEVEN 18:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
1st Gen Glock 19s do exist, but they're very rare, because Glock went to the checkered front/backstraps on all of its pistols shortly after production began. Also, the Glock 17L and Glock 18 both exist in 1st generation incarnations (though they're also pretty rare). -MT2008 19:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
So there were other 1st generation models than the 17, but were all 1st generation guns 9mms? -Anonymous
To meet American ATF regulations, a steel plate with a stamped serial number was embedded into the dust cover in front of the trigger guard for generation 2. I have seen no evidence of a first generation glock being in any other model than the 17. Even the people that claim they have a generation 1 glock 19 still only show pictures of a generation 2...so i would need to see proof on anything other model being in generation 1. but my knowledge is limited to what's available in the normal U.S.A. for some glock models are not legal to have in the states.--Spades of Columbia 19:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Gen 1 Glock 19s do exist. Check out this topic from GlockTalk. -MT2008 15:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
To my knowledge, 1st Generation GLOCK pistols are rare in the US because they were only imported for around three years before the advent of the 2nd generation. During the time they were imported, they met BATFE regulations. The steel plate was incorporated into the Gen2 design due to the change in regs, which helped to spur on the change to gen2 in the first place IIRC. GLOCK10mm (talk) 08:38, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
Other models
Why were the models that were removed before put back? I thought IMFDB didn't allow sections for variants of a gun that haven't appeared in any media. -Anonymous
See Stan's post below, and also the Glock 20 that was deleted actually WAS in something. When we went to link it, surprise, it wasn't there because it had been removed. Not a good thing. Any SERIES of guns, do not remove the interim gun series entries ever. They are there for continuity in the SERIES of models. The only guns we remove are the weird single gun entries that some member jacked off of google and won't appear in a movie, etc. ever, and if they do, only then do we create the page. The only exception is guns that are in active armorer inventory NOW. That means that there is a much HIGHER chance of them being seen, and we need the gun pics to help members positively ID them. Hope this helps. MoviePropMaster2008 18:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
When the Glock variants were initially deleted I mentioned that having gaps in the list of different models seemed odd, yet those who deleted them responded that any weapons or variants of weapons that have not appeared in media are subject to deletion. I like that the different variants have been restored to the list, I was just curious as to what the procedure was for guns that are variants of weapons that have appeared in films though that specific variant had not since I had heard conflicting information. -Anonymous
- Yeah, that was me. I found it irksome to have several models (mainly new ones), that weren't listed or even linked to anything, it was annoying to me. I still think that in regards to the newest 30 model guns, but that's just me. BUT, as MPM said, they are still standard guns of the same series, and many are in inventory, so they'll be used in something eventually (If indeed they haven't already and we just don't have pages, etc). I think the main problem was getting rid of older guns like the 20 that are definitely in stuff already and should be there accordingly. A couple of the other guns are also linked to pages but just don't have them listed - I'll go ahead and add the listing(s) myself if they're listed on complete pages and/or positively ID'd. Otherwise, you could just say they're being proactive. StanTheMan 20:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
-Original Reply-
I replaced the sections I previously deleted by request of MoviePropMaster2008. Essentially they are for reference right now. However, there are also a sort of placeholder as well - MPM has stated on other pages that such guns are in movie inventory, so eventually they'll get listings/entries - As such, the sections are to remain so that they don't have to be re-created later. A couple of the guns are already linked on pages I believe, but the pages may not be complete or they may not be listed for some other reason. I did remove them because at the time they weren't featured in anything, but it really wasn't my call to remove them in the first place. (EDIT - removed MPM's paraphrased personal message to me, as he posted himself). StanTheMan 05:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
I should point that I am highly skeptical of some of the Glocks IDs that are supposedly Glock 20s. The episode of Psych in which John Cena supposedly uses a Glock 20 is wrong; I've seen that episode, and he uses a Glock 17L. I'm equally doubtful that the Glock 20 appears in Season 4 of 24. Since we know that (as a rule) movie armorers rarely use any Glocks that aren't 9x19mm, I can't help but wonder if people are going to be tempted to mis-identify Glocks if they see these other variants on the page. -MT2008 20:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, and I'm not defending some of these questionable attributions, but I had to replace a pic for a VIDEO game where the gun was a specific variant of weapon (and was specifically NAMED in the game as an off caliber variant), so we still needed the section. Also foreign helmed films don't have the ammo biases that we in the States do ;) the sheer CHANCE that folks will mis-identify the gun is not reason enough to NOT have the section. MoviePropMaster2008 20:44, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Well, in the case of those shows, I'll remove the TV subsection until they're confirmed. I will put in the VG entries, though, as they aren't questionable. StanTheMan 20:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Whoa whoa whoa STOP!!!!! Don't remove ANYTHING!!! IMFDB users should look long and hard and try to correctly ID guns, but for now just creating a BLANK space is unacceptable. What is WITH this rush to delete everything all of a sudden? If you don't have correct info to replace it with, DON'T DELETE IT! YOu can put a disclaimer on the various discussion pages (that there may be a question as to whether or not the gun ID is correct), but I dont' want to start seeing blocks of empty space. MoviePropMaster2008 21:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Uh, wait a minute, the only thing I removed was the TV section for the Glock 20, and that's it. Nothing else. Most of the gun sections I replaced from the other day were already blank - they didn't have anything before. Again, the TV listing subsection for the Glock 20 section was the only thing I've removed since I put all the other guns back, and I've since already restored it. Outside of that and adding some subsections to a couple of the guns, I haven't touched the rest of the page. Not trying to give ya a headache MPM, but I really haven't done that much this time, honest. StanTheMan 23:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I was just reeling from the previous Glock debacle where I spent an entire morning rephotographing a Glock variant, only to realize later that it had been previously there, but deleted. My brain is still traumatized ;) MoviePropMaster2008 00:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I still feel real bad about that.. I'll probably never live that down. Bah. ;b StanTheMan 00:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
First appearance
I remember one of our movie pages pointing out that that film was the first appearance of a Glock Pistol in a movie. Does anyone know which movie that was because I can't remember.
Don't know. The earliest-set movie page I can immediately spot a Glock (Glock 17) on is To Live and Die in L.A. (1985), but I'm not certain if that is it. StanTheMan 04:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
That's not it. We have a page of a movie from the early 80s where the page explicitly states that this is the first appearance of a Glock in film.
I'm pretty skeptical that To Live and Die in L.A. features a Glock, because they were not being imported to this country for the civilian market at the time the movie was filmed. Though I guess I'd have to see the movie to be sure. Season 3 of Miami Vice featured a Glock 17 in one episode (which was used by Don Johnson), and that's the earliest documented appearance of a Glock that we have on this site so far besides To Live and Die in L.A..
We have a page of a movie from the early 80s where the page explicitly states that this is the first appearance of a Glock in film.
Which page? I just checked all of the pages which feature our 1st gen Glock 17 picture, and didn't see any movies from the early-80s. Also, I'm skeptical because the first Glock 17s available to civilians didn't start coming into the U.S. until 1985, so it's pretty much impossible for any movie/TV show filmed before that to feature a Glock (unless it was filmed in Europe or some other country where Glocks were available sooner). -MT2008 13:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not to increase the load, but it might be worth checking under the second gen picture also. After all, not pages pages use the accurate gun picture, whether because they didn't know about the specific differences/generation release dates when they made the page or because the Gen 1 picture wasn't actually around and no one updated the thumbnail. Just a thought. StanTheMan 16:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
I have tried watching To Live and Die in L.A. and get a better cap, it just looks like a black gun to me. Johnny Handsome featured a Glock, it was released in '89. There's got to be a film before that. That Miami Vice episode aired Jan '87. Good idea about checking the 2nd gen pic. --Predator20 16:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Point taken on the 2nd Gen G17 pic, I forgot about that. But I don't envy the person who has to sort through all the pages on which it appears (nearly 250 in total, last I looked). But I can still tell y'all that you're highly unlikely to see a Glock in any movie made before 1985, for the reason I mentioned earlier. -MT2008 18:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
That's not even counting those that don't have a gun image, or.. well, you get the point. Bah. I'm afraid we may not find out what page it is, unless Anon's memory gets better. StanTheMan 22:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
I just checked all of the page links for all three Glock 17 images. So far, I can't find any movies or TV shows other than the ones mentioned previously that have featured Glocks. Of course, there is still the possibility that somebody forgot to put any image for some movie that featured a Glock, but I imagine we'd have caught that by now.
So, I have reached the following conclusion:
Season 3 of Miami Vice is the first media appearance of a Glock 17, movie or TV.
Johnny Handsome is the first known movie to feature a Glock 17.
Unless someone finds any earlier appearances (and has the screencaps to prove it), these are the first media appearances of Glocks. -MT2008
Well, it's a page done by Pred, and the section says 'one of the earliest appearances of a Glock', so that's probably what Anonymous was talking about. If not, then we need to kill him for even bringing this up. :b StanTheMan 00:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that is the page I was talking about, I just couldn't remember it. Please don't kill me. -Anonymous
Sure, but only because you said please. Mystery solved then? StanTheMan 15:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Wow look at that, I don't even like Glocks. I don't know if either of you two have seen Johnny Handsome. The gun dealer gave a little explanation about the gun, made in Austria, plastic etc. I just glad it beat Die Hard 2. When I wrote the comment I figured another film had to have featured it before JH that's why I said one of the earliest uses not the first. Unless another comes up with an appearance before JH, Mickey Rourke has both the first usage of the Desert Eagle and Glock in a film.--Predator20 01:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Alright I changed both the pages. If someone has better wording to use, go for it. --Predator20 01:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Removal of Variants that have not been seen in media
I was just re-reading the Rules, Standards and Principles page and was wondering if anyone has a problem removing the Glock models 24, 28, 29, and 37 - 39 as they have yet to appear in any movies/anime/games. It looks like alot of effort was put into this page so I just want check before making any changes.--Gunkatas 06:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Good thing you asked, since I would have been pretty pissed at you if you made such a major change without checking first. We've had this come up before. A previous member took it upon himself to remove a Glock variant which has not listed, and then, BEHOLD! it was obviously apparent in some movie or tv listing, so ANOTHER member, seeing that we didn't have the section (it had been deleted) copied a jacked GOOGLE image of the gun and re-created the section. I, seeing a CRAP google image thought "hmmm, I could have sworn I photographed that type of Glock for this page already", so I spent the entire morning rephotographing that model of Glock for the Glock page. When I tried to re-upload the photo, IMFDB warned me that this photo already existed. I was "WTF?" By tracking down the history of the page, I tracked down the member who DELETED the glock section and admonished them that it was just creating problems, since a few days AFTER he deleted it, the model appeared in something. So the rule is: DON'T REMOVE ANY VARIANTS on ANY PAGE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE MPM MOVIE ARMORY PHOTOGRAPHS (which were done specifically FOR IMFDB). Thanks for your attention in this matter :) MoviePropMaster2008 06:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I would leave it, Glocks are hard to tell apart sometimes. So it's good to have all the models on the page for reference. It's not like a user creating an entire new page for a gun that hasn't appeared.--Predator20 06:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Damn propmaster no need to yell man. There's a reason I asked in here first. Maybe you should add the blurb about not removing variants pictured by armorers in the rules section. That's the only reason I brought up the question in the first place.--Gunkatas 06:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
It's not yelling, it's emphasizing. And sorry if it seemed that way. As for the emphasis, it was for all members. You at least asked, but I must emphasize again, if any member MUST do something, try adding to lame pages, resist the temptation to delete other people's work. Leave that to the mods, unless its something ridiculous. MPM
Numbers
Anyone know how Glock comes up with the numbers for their handguns?--MarineCorps1 21:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
They are in the order that they were released...starting with the model 17 for it was the 17th patient to get it what it is today. But some people say that the original name came because it holds 17rds then in the order they were released--Spades of Columbia 22:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Another theory is, if Wikipedia is to be believed, that the Austrian army set out a list of 17 requirements when they were looking for a new pistol to replace the Walther P38. In order for any pistol to be considered for the trials, it had to pass all 17 requirements. The Glock was called the 17 because it was designed specifically with thes standards in mind. Even if this isn't the source of the name, it's still an amusing coincidence. -Anonymous
Glock 30 & Glock 36
Can someone explain the Difference between the Glock 30 and Glock 36. They both look like Sub-Compact Glocks in 45. ACP.
Glock 36 is a single stack, Glock 30 is a double stack. --Predator20 03:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention the Glock 36, while subcompact like the 30, also sports a slimline frame, just 1.13 inches wide and roughly six inches long.--LordOfTheLocusts 13:50, 18 December 2011 (CST)
At SHOT show 2013, Glock USA introduced the Glock 30-S, which has the double stack magazine of the G30 and the slim slide of the 36.
idpassr 1825, 19 January 2013 (CST)
18 vs 18C?
Just wondering, is there any difference between the Glock 18 and Glock 18C? I think the proper name is 18C, but correct me if I'm wrong.----JazzBlackBelt-- 13:26, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
The C models include a built-in compensator, noted by a rectangular slot cut out in the top-front section of the slide and the compensator ports in the barrel. And yes, 18C is the correct name. - Mr. Wolf 17:18, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
Query, how does making cuts into the barrel and slide reduce muzzle climb? - User: 2wingo
It directs the muzzle flash upward, the force of which counteracts the muzzle climb some by pushing the muzzle down. Spartan198 (talk) 20:30, 1 January 2013 (EST)
Full Auto?
Can other Glock pistols be converted to fire in full-auto, like the Glock 17-impersonating-Glock 18? Specifically, the 19 and 21 models? MrOshimida27 18:21, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
Probably yes. - Mr. Wolf 21:46, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
I've seen FA conversions of the Glock 19, 20, 22, and 26. Also shot a FA conversion 17. Fun weapons but not quite as reliable as a factory conversion IMO. Then again the 17 had been shot all day.Rockwolf66 02:35, 18 October 2011 (CDT)
In the Dark Knight the joker uses a glock 17 converted to fire full auto.--Spades of Columbia 19:44, 21 January 2012 (CST)
Glocks in shooters
hey yall i was just wondering if you knew if their were any FPS games that included a normal glock. when i say normal i mean all minus the 18, it is a ridiculous gun and has very little practical use. my preference is the Glock 21 but i would like to no if there is any notable games that have any model (minus 18) thanks. Dirtdiver6421 20:37, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
Did you even try looking in the listings on the page? Because I see several listed there.--PistolJunkie 21:31, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
And the Glock 18 is not a ridiculous weapon and is practical if you know how to use it right (especially the "C" model). - Mr. Wolf 21:44, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
.380 ACP Glocks
Hey all. I edited the Glock 25 and 28 sections to say:
The Glock 28/25 will very likely never be seen in an American produced film because it is illegal to import in the United States. Since that the ATF ruled it as having no sporting purpose, the only way it will be featured in a film is if the movie is completely produced in a foreign country that has maximum caliber restrictions.
These guns have a less than .01% chance of being seen in films. Just giving a heads up --Ranger12 08:04, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Yeah, or if the ATF changes the rules (I know, yeah right, but it's not impossible), or if it's an Airsoft gun or mock-up, or it's stock footage, or a dozen other ways you could probably think up. Try to avoid attempting to predict the future on a gun page. Also, "completely produced?" Haven't you ever heard of "on location?" Evil Tim 08:28, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Airsoft doesn't make Glock 25/28's, on top of the fact that it's now illegal to produce Glock mock ups now because Glock sued for patent infringement a year or two back. This includes the S&W Sigma series (Glock clones), Airsoft guns, and blank guns. Even if the gun could be used, do you know how hard it is to make a straight blowback gun fire blanks? It just isn't worth the effort. The ATF will not change the rules unless the supreme court miraculously changes the law, which is next to 0% unless people start voting with their brains. Lastly, "on location" filming still has American owned guns used, therefore those Glocks will not be seen. Trust me man, it ain't happening.
PS. I saw your edit on the Glock 25. The Glock 25 can't be imported no matter what. Law enforcement or not, they CAN'T. Also, Brazil has a maximum energy ban (nothing bigger than .380 for handguns,) not a "military caliber" ban. I'm going to fix those parts. --Ranger12 09:30, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
On location filming doesn't necessarily have American guns used. Rambo III, for example, was American-produced but filmed partly in Israel and used stocks of weapons that would be impossible to get in the US, such as real DShK machine guns. The same arrangement (location filming with a local armourer) would make it far from impossible for these weapons to appear in a US-produced movie. Also, I'm fairly sure you're wrong. Here's the section of the relevant law:
"If importing NFA and non-sporting weapons, please ensure an official government contract, purchase order, or letter typed on official law enforcement and/or government letterhead, bearing the original signature of the chief law enforcement official having jurisdiction over that area, is attached to the completed Form 6."
The 25 is a "non-sporting weapon" because it fails the import test, but that doesn't stop a government or law enforcement agency buying it. It does mean individual officers can't import them, though.
Also, IIRC didn't Glock do something weird like trademark the shape of their weapons rather than sue for patents? I think H&K did the same with the MP5 at about the same time. Evil Tim 10:45, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Pretty much. They sued because the imitations were substantially identical to the iconic Glock shape. Just so you know, the Glock company is a bunch of jerks.
When it comes to using other country's armorers/weapons, it usually doesn't happen. Rambo can be the exception, but 99.99% of the time it's cheaper to mock up existing weapons and use your own armorer than to go out of the way for the real deal when usually no one will know the difference.
Also, that ATF letter is only true in name only. Regardless of signatures or agency, the request to import still has to be approved by the ATF, which it NEVER is. Look around. There are no post '86 machine guns or "non sporting" weapons used by ANY LE agency in the US (not talking about the ARMY/NAVY/Etc.) because the letters are NEVER approved. There's a couple A1 M16's with A2 uppers and MP5's with a pre '86 trigger group in use, but that's about it for LE agencies special guns usage, and all of those are pre '86 weapons.--Ranger12 11:35, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Not true Ranger. There is a Dealer's Sample MP7A1 floating around the Pacific Northwest and there is a thread on HKPro about a different MP7A1 spotted in the hands of a female Motorcycle officer. I have also seen MP5A5s inside other California police cars. It's not that the BATFE doesn't sign off on the forms its just that most cops have no reason to use Automatic weapons.Rockwolf66 01:04, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
Yeah, and a LE agency isn't going to be jumping through hoops to buy a .380 ACP pistol anyway, but it's enough to say that only LE and government could even theoretically import them according to the law for purposes of the page; it's not true to say they can't legally be imported when the law says they can be. I do agree with you that it's stunningly unlikely for a number of reasons, I just dislike terms like "impossible" being thrown around because I'm horribly pedantic. :) Evil Tim 11:40, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Agreed. Especially when they can pick up a just-as-good Beretta 84 without the blinking of an eye. I noticed you live in England. Here in America, there are a couple laws which supposedly make certain things allowable with the right approval, however approval never comes and those permits are deemed impossible to obtain.
Some states allow the carrying of a handgun at 18 years old, but Sheriffs won't sign off on it, well just because. In New Jersey, you are allowed to carry a handgun, but to get the permit you need a "justifiable cause," and it happens that the only justifiable one they see is carrying more than $500,000 a day for work. Apparently my self defense isn't important enough to them. It's the same with the ATF. They don't like it, you can't have it. Unfortunately it isn't constitutional, but the judges here don't quite have the guts to end their illegal rule right now. Thanks for reading my rant ;) --Ranger12 11:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Yeah, everywhere has laws that technically exist but aren't enforced properly. Though ours mostly tend to have more to do with extremely precise ways for it to be legal to murder the Welsh. :P Evil Tim 11:56, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Bingo. Nice job with the edit too by the way --Ranger12 12:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
Hollywood is not the only people that make Movies...In fact there are hundreds of movies made every year without america having anything to do with them...and most of the time they are better off for it. Just because a gun is outlawed in the USA does not mean that it cant be used by another country that might decide to make a movie that may some day grace the pages of IMFDB.--Spades of Columbia 19:40, 21 January 2012 (CST)
Well that complicates things. Thanks. --Funkychinaman 15:08, 8 January 2012 (CST)
Naming of glocks
Does anyone know the story behind the naming of the Glocks? Why did they start with 17? --Zackmann08 21:26, 20 January 2012 (CST)
The Glock 17 holds 17 rounds, but where they went from there I have no idea.----JazzBlackBelt-- 22:00, 20 January 2012 (CST)
Is that REALLY why its called the Glock 17?!?! --Zackmann08 22:01, 20 January 2012 (CST)
No its not. It came from one of these two things:
The Glock 17 was called the Glock 17 because it was Gaston Glock's 17th patent.
OR
There were 17 criteria the Austrian military had for their new pistol, that the Glock was made to meet.
Its pretty up in the air, and I've heard both stories from GLOCK reps.
-Ranger01 10:03, 21 January 2012 (CST)
all the other numbers are in order in which they where made and interduced...the 17 being the first production model followed by the 18 and so on. So the 10mm models where made and interduced before the .45acp models.--Spades of Columbia 19:43, 21 January 2012 (CST)
Stupid question
I have kind of a stupid question but why do people think glocks suck so much? or at least people think there not that good of a gun?--Gunner5
Maybe people never had shoot Glocks.And they probably think: "Oh,it's plastic! What an awful pistol! I better use my full-metal 1911!"
But,it's just my opinion. Actually,I have the same question. :) Littlesoldier1 03:07, 29 February 2012 (CST)
This is pretty comprehensive: http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/gindex2.html Apparently it's mostly to do with this and this happening back in the nineties, and the pressure failures and slide rail failures a bit later. People tend to get nervous about a pistol that they've heard might blow their fingers off or try to insert its slide into their nose, no matter how unlikely it actually is (and even after the problem itself has been solved, most of the time). Along with the fact that everything popular accumulates people saying it sucks, obviously. Evil Tim 04:35, 29 February 2012 (CST)
Some people just don't like the feel of them. I personally don't like the Gen 3 Glocks; the grip angle is wrong for me, and the magazine release is just god awful. Glock fixed these issues (for me, anyway) with the Gen 4s. Now if they could just make steel sights standard... --TheDon 15:05, 29 February 2012 (CST)
"Compensated" Glock Pistols
Glock offers many of their pistols as a "Compensated" model. They denote this by adding the letter C to the model number - such as 23C. Even though they are called "compensated," they are actually ported. Does anyone know of a "Compensated" Glock being used in film or TV?
Please sign your posts next time with the signature button on the Edit page's tools. Yes, the "C" models of Glock handguns have barrel ports (which also counts as compensated to most). No, I haven't seen compensated pistols in film or TV (probably because ported barrels are harder to get a hold of than standard ones, and possibly because in certain scenes the redirected muzzle blast that reduces muzzle rise could act in unpredictable/harmful ways), but you could always ask the more knowledgeable members of this wiki. You are far likelier to see compensated Glocks in video games than TVs or Movies, though most of the time they don't actually show the redirected muzzle blast when firing (GRAW 2 is an exception).--Mazryonh 22:44, 21 April 2012 (CDT)
Glock 17/19
How do you tell the diferance? I can't see anything that's visualy diferant. Also, on an unrelated note, why is there no compact .45ACP Glock? They have a standard, a subcompact, and a slim, but no compact.--Mandolin 18:13, 23 June 2012 (CDT)
Well the Glock 19 is clearly shorter than the Glock 17 when seen in someone's hand or by itself.
Stainless Steel vs. Chrome
On the various pictures of two-toned 3rd Gen. Glock 17s, I notice that some say it has a stainless steel slide, others say it is chrome. How do you tell the difference? - User: 2wingo
Chrome is usually very shiny. --cool-breeze (talk) 05:47, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Glock 29 hard to shoot?
I've gotten mixed messages about this one. I've heard that the 10mm Auto cartridge has hellacious recoil, but in every video I've seen it shot in, the shooter didn't seem to be having a difficult time of it at all. Would anyone care to offer their 2 cents? - User: 2wingo
Your best bet is to ask the posters of those videos how the recoil was for them. In any case, it's not a .44 magnum--at full loading it comes closest to the .41 magnum. The Glock frame also helps to tame the recoil somewhat. --Mazryonh (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2013 (EST)
From one guy I know who has this gun as his off duty carry, it's not hard to shoot and the recoil isn't too powerful. The concept came from testings of women shooters by the FBI saying they can't handle the recoil Excalibur01 (talk) 20:24, 16 January 2013 (EST)
You also must realize that the original 10mm loadings were a lot hotter than what most ammo companies are making. The loads were reduced due to both complaints about the recoil, and the beating it would put on firearms.-Ranger01 (talk) 21:18, 16 January 2013 (EST)
Didn't the original specifications from Norma call for a 200gr bullet travelling at 1200 FPS? You can still get that kind of performance level (or higher) from a few companies now. The "beating" put on firearms by the cartridge thankfully ceased after firearms companies realized they couldn't simply rechamber a frame meant for the lower-pressure .45 ACP for 10mm Auto, and made dedicated frames built around that cartridge's pressure levels. As for the recoil that full-power loads have, the right grip texturing and enough practice could help. The Gen 4 Glock 20 has dual recoil spring that's supposed to reduce the felt recoil as well, though for people with small hands, I've always wondered if a Glock 29SF with an extended, threaded barrel to accommodate one of those "linear compensators" (but downsized for pistols) could do the trick . . . --Mazryonh (talk) 22:15, 16 January 2013 (EST)
Full power 10mm recoil generally isn't much worse than .45ACP. It has a little more "Snap" to it than .45. More of a hard lurch than a big push, much like .40S&W. There will be a little more muzzle flip until you get used to it. After you shoot it a bit, that goes away, and double taps become a breeze.--GLOCK10mm (talk) 01:38, 15 February 2013 (EST)
Them sights
Kinda awesome how some of these pictures are showing off the new Iron Sight advances Glock has been testing lately!
My apoligies for being a bit of a jerk, but these pictures make my OCD SKYROCKET...---ChrisJ- CONTRIBUTIONS 00:04, 29 March 2013 (EDT)
With the first one it is just the really bright chrome on the slide makes the top face pretty much white, so on a white background it disappears. Thanks for pointing out the second one though, the front sight has been cropped off when the background was blanked. I have uploaded a new version to fix it:Error creating thumbnail: File missing--commando552 (talk) 06:33, 29 March 2013 (EDT)
Glock 30S
Is it alright if I put a picture of a Glock 30S under the current picture of the Glock 30?--L.J. Gibbs (talk) 10:12, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
- Well, I'd say post it only if it has been shown in something. We don't need every variant of every Glock in existence, only ones that have been in something and/or are in movie inventory. If it hasn't or you're not sure, might want to skip it, or perhaps put it in the 'Other Variants' section here on the talk page. StanTheMan (talk) 12:09, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
Does anyone produce Glocks with stainless steel frames or aftermarket SS frames for Glocks? I just found what appears to be a fully SS Glock 17 in Episode 5 of The Walking Dead game and wanted to know if there was such a thing before I label it a possible texturing goof. The closest I've ever seen are Glocks with stainless slides. Spartan198 (talk)
06:31, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
IIRC there are a few manufacturers of all alloy frames for them, haven't seen anything about them in a while, but there definitely are some out there Recon42 (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
I remember there being buzz a few years ago about companies that were putting out both alloy and stainless steel framed Glocks, but haven't seen much about them recently. I imagine the reason that they didn't take off is that they increase the weight and didn't really do anything to increase the reliability. The main part on the frame that will wear out is the slide rails and as the standard Glock has stainless steel rails moulded into the polymer, a metal slide will either be only as durable in the case of stainless steel, or less so if it is alloy. What is more common however are coloured polymer frames for Glocks, which I have seen in grey/silver that look kind of like metal frames. --commando552 (talk) 16:42, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
I looked into these alloy frames that Recon mentioned and ran upon this HCF spring-powered Glock 17 in silver which resembles the game gun and could possibly be its basis. Would be fitting with the usual trend of game developers using airsoft to base their guns on. Spartan198 (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
External difference Glock 17/18 right side
I am currently screencapping a movie with quite a lot of both Glock 17's as well as Glock 18's. Unfortunately most shots only show the right side which appears pretty much the same. Having learned from one of above discussions that the selector switch is only on the left side, that doesn't help either. Anybody got a clue? Thanks for letting me know, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:07, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
I don't believe theres any difference on the right side between the two, aside from serial numbers. That said, your best bet is watching the film and noting when the guns fire automatic and see if you can get any shot of the left and the select switch, since as you said, no way to tell them apart on the right side. I know thats no guarantee of anything though - there are of course auto-converted Glock 17s as well. Again, you might to have watch it through and try to get any decent grab you can of the left side on any of the G18s. I'm sure if you can get at least one with the selector at all, you can certainly note it as an 18 on your page. StanTheMan (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
Another thing to look for is what generation it is, and whether it is compensated or not. From what I have seen the majority of Glock 18s are 3rd gens, and of these most are 18Cs (I don't think I have ever actually seen a real un-compensated 3rd gen Glock 18 but they may exist). If the guns in question are compensated, there is a definitive difference between the 17C and the 18C as the 17C has two small ports at the front whereas the 18C has a single larger port in the slide at the front, with a lightening cut at the back (2nd gen compensated is obvious as it has a protruding ported barrel). --commando552 (talk) 15:46, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
Ah that's nice that there is a difference in the comp ports, I wasn't sure, and didn't want to mention it because I know both the 17 and 18 can have compensators (and I do believe there are uncompensated G18s as well), so I wasn't sure that would help. Also with the age thing, most Glocks seen these days are Gen 3 models so that isn't likely to help either. Again though, good to know that info. StanTheMan (talk) 18:19, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
You do still tend to see quite a few 2nd gen guns, in particular I remember some recent stuff (example, Arrow - Season 2) where the guns switch between 3rd gen normally and 2nd gen for firing scenes indicating that the blanks modified guns are 2nd gens, whilst the airsoft guns standing in for them in regular scenes are 3rd gen. As for the compensator thing, I know that there were both versions available for the 2nd gen model (with the obvious extended ported barrel). However I cannot find any conclusive images that prove there are un-compensated 3rd gen guns. Rather bizarrely, not only have Glock made guns marked as 18Cs, but also 3rd gen guns marked as simply "18"s that still have the porting along with the lightening cut, as pictured here (there are some great photos on this site BTW). This would suggest to me that at some point the compensated version was the sole model, although whether this was always the case I cannot say. I have seen Glock promotional material that claims that there are both versions, but have never actually seen a picture of a physical, uncompensated 3rd gen Glock 18. --commando552 (talk) 19:03, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
Thanks for all the detailed info about the Glock 17/18. Unfortunately, the scene in question shows uncompensated 2nd Generation Glocks and it seems they can only be told apart from the selector switch. Will make a reference in my gun description in the movie that they can be both, if the selector switch is not visible. - PeeWee055 (talk) 08:54, 6 November 2013 (EST)
Capacity
What's the mag capacity of 10mm Auto Glock 20 and .357 SIG Glock 31? TitaniumAlloy (talk) 11:41, 13 November 2013 (EST)
Both have 15 round mags. --commando552 (talk) 18:30, 13 November 2013 (EST)
The only difference between Gen 1 and 2 ?
Hello,
I've heard in a video that very late Gen 1 models already had checkered backstraps and that the only way to make the difference between a Gen 1 and a Gen 2 is by checking the presence of the second trigger pin that was added with the release of the Gen 2. Kind of puzzling, because I actually saw checkered backstraps models with 1 and some with 2 trigger pins. Of course, not any early Gen 1 non-checkered frames have 2 trigger pins.
Anyone got more info about this ? Thank you. --Zebracherub (talk) 01:08, 27 September 2014 (GMT)
I'm no expert on the history of Glocks so could be wrong, but wasn't it the later model 3rd gen (with the exception of .40 and .45 guns which got them in the 2nd gen) that gained the second trigger pin as standard? I have never heard of an intermediate model between the 1 and 2, but I have heard of (and maybe this is what the video was getting confused with) is a Gen 2.5. This is a gen 2 that has the extra pin and 3 style grip, but lacks the rail. There is also a gen 2.5 on sub-compacts but this is different, with the distinction being that it lacks chequering between the grooves. There is also something which is sometimes called a 3.5 but more commonly the Gen 3 RTF2 (Rough Texture Frame) which is a 3rd gen with a texturing on the grip which is similar (but slightly different) to that of the 4th gen. If the variant mentioned in your original question does exist though, I believe that another way to tell the difference would be the metal inlay for the serial number that was added to the bottom of the frame on the 2nd gen guns. --commando552 (talk) 19:53, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
I noticed something odd about below Glock 17 image from The Host (2013). It's obviously a 3rd/4th Gen model judging by the accessory rail on the frame.
However, under the frame there's usually a straight cut (don't now what else to call it) but in this image there seems to be some sort of a triangular shaped cut.
My best guess is that this is meant for quick attachment of accessories, can anybody confirm this or give a better theory? Thanks and Merry Christmas, PeeWee055 (talk) 12:41, 24 December 2014 (EST)
Hmm, not sure about that - Indeed I've seen cuts (straight and I could swear I've even seen angled cuts perhaps) but nothing like that.. Might be a mod or customization on that particular Glock - It seems to be customized quite a bit, given it also has a stainless slide with the front serrations (which I've not seen on a Glock either - though I guess that might be more a common thing with the stainless slide, which you don't see too much in the first place). StanTheMan (talk) 13:23, 24 December 2014 (EST)
Others
2 Glocks (.45?) play prominet roles in the movie "Fracture" starring Anthony Hopkins. Don't know the model so I didn't edit the main page (80.121.38.199 18:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC))
Redundant Image
We seen to have two images of G17s with stainless slide and extended mags. Perhaps we should do away with one of them? StanTheMan (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2016 (EDT)
We should use the top one as it is nicer, but might be worth keeping the bottom one as it is actually a different pistol. Based on the "GAP made in Italy" markings on the bottom of the grip this is a Bruni GAP blank firer. That is also why the finish is different as these use a bright chrome plated slide rather than real stainless steel. Not sure what is going on with the magazine though as I can't find any extended magazine for the GAP. Might be that it is a photoshop or a cosmetic mock-up. --commando552 (talk) 18:33, 13 March 2016 (EDT)
Ah, I see the markings now.. I noticed the extractor and slide looked a bit off as well but I guess I dismissed it. I guess perhaps my inquiry is mostly moot - Only thing I'd mention now is noting the image is a Bruni gun. Though I would now ask if a section for Bruni blank replica Glocks would be warranted on the page? Most other gun pages have sections for Bruni replicas, we do have a couple images of Glock variants and they have popped up a bit in stuff. StanTheMan (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2016 (EDT)
New glock variant.
Supposedly this is an image of the new Glock. No finger grooves is pretty slick.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:53, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
I've been following it. Flared magwell and ambi slide stop...nothing impressive. Excalibur01 (talk) 17:36, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
Glock 42?
So I'm making a page which features the the G42 but it's not in either of the lists featuring Glocks. Should I add it before I add the page?
Kona (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
Do you have a screenshot of the gun in question? It would be good to confirm that it actually is a Glock 42 before we bother to make a section for it. --commando552 (talk) 07:50, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
Sure, they identify it as one here as well: http://i.imgur.com/BhOlTMi.jpg It looks like it has a OD green Crimson Trace LG-443 Glock 42 Laserguard and a mag extension. Kona (talk) 08:40, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
From the relative positions of the serrations and the slide release lever it looks like it might actually be based on a Glock 43. However, as they ID it as a Glock 42 I am inclined to say that this is a drawing error and they did base it on and intend it to be a Glock 42. As for when the create the section, it is always best to make the media page first before you create pages or sections for previously undocumented guns. The reason for this is that we only allow pages for guns that have appearances in media that also has a page, so if you were to create a section and it just had red links it might end up being deleted, or at least questioned as to whether the page is going to be made. --commando552 (talk) 11:43, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
I'll do one last check regarding the gun identity. Also will do I'll finish the page before adding the gun then, thanks. Kona (talk) 13:19, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
Can we add Glock 43?
A lot of Glocks on this page dont have any movie --Dannyguns (talk) 10:06, 7 December 2016 (EST)
I was actually wondering about that myself, why is that we have entries for glocks that hasn't appeard yet? As for your question, i would say no.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:20, 7 December 2016 (EST)
Several models are placeholders kept due to the fact said models, though yet to have listings, are actually in movie armories and probably will make an appearance somewhere at some point - They are not to be removed. That said, I understand no further models are to be added unless it is likewise verified that that model is in film armory inventory and/or it of course makes a verified appearance in something. StanTheMan (talk) 15:10, 7 December 2016 (EST)
How to tell a 9mm from a .40-caliber Glock (2nd Generation)
I've been taking a look at some of the pages which use our 2nd Generation Glock 22 and Glock 23 images, and I now believe that a few of the documented cinema/TV appearances of these weapons actually show 2nd Gen Glock 17s or Glock 19s. For everyone's benefit, I recommend NOT using bore size (which is a highly subjective visual difference) to tell these Glocks apart. I recommend instead that we use the second pin on the frame, which was added for retention of the locking block, as the distinguishing feature between 2nd Generation 9mm and .40-caliber Glocks. As many of you are aware, the locking block pin was originally added for the .40-caliber and .45-ACP Glocks. (Bear in mind that this difference applies almost exclusively to the 2nd Generation models; a few years after the 3rd Gen Glocks were introduced, the locking block pin became standard on all Glocks, regardless of caliber. However, if you see a 3rd Gen model without a locking block pin, it means you're looking at an early 9mm 3rd Gen.)
So, to begin, here are a Gen 2 Glock 17 and -22 for comparison:
Error creating thumbnail: File missingGlock 17 2nd Generation - 9x19mm. Note absence of locking block pin behind takedown lever.Error creating thumbnail: File missingGlock 22 2nd Generation - .40 S&W. Note that unlike the Glock 17 above, this weapon clearly has a second pin near the top of the frame behind the takedown lever.
Now, here are some pictures from U.S. Marshals, where you can see the locking block pins on the Glocks' frames (thereby confirming that they are in fact G22s):
And...here are some images from movies where the Glocks have been mis-labeled as G22s or G23s, where it is clear that the pistols have no locking block pin:
There are also some 2nd Gen G22/23 entries on this site where I can't tell whether the gun has a locking block pin, but I hope this helps. -MT2008 (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
Good of you to point this out, especially since it is a quite minor and easily overlooked detail. I will add that I don't like using bore size as an identifying factor most times unless it's pretty obvious - details like these are always better to go by for an ID, as even among a similar model series there's almost always some physical/visual difference among revisions or what-have-you that will distinguish them from another, however minor. Anyway, should help with some IDs for sure, so again good job. StanTheMan (talk) 11:42, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
That said, taking another look, it looks like our image of a 2nd Gen Glock 19 also has the second pin visible (or at least the cut for the opposite end anyway) on the frame, BUT it clearly isn't visible on the G19s shown in some films (Toy Soldiers for example) in which case I guess it was a running change on the compacts and just didn't spill over onto the full-size 9s 'til the 3rd gens. If so that will unfortunately still make some IDs on the compacts elusive. Error creating thumbnail: File missingGlock 19 2nd GenError creating thumbnail: File missingGlock 23 2nd GenStanTheMan (talk) 12:01, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
I see what you mean about our IMFDB image of a 2nd Gen G19. My guess is that this pistol is actually a 19 slide/barrel on a 2nd Gen G23 frame. Or maybe it was a rare production gun where, at the factory, a G19 slide/barrel were thrown onto a compact frame that had been pre-cut for the second pin. Though I would have to ask MPM2008, since it’s his gun. -MT2008 (talk) 12:16, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
Is the R Lee Ermey image really necessary?
I'm not quite sure why is he there, considering that the page has no introduction. A history section and notes on identification would be more helpful. --Wuzh (talk) 00:30, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
If this image is allowed here because "it makes a nice header for the page", does that mean we allow other non-closeup gun pics like that as header images on other gun pages? --Wuzh (talk) 05:09, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
With a big page like this where you can't really put any specific model at the top, I'm kind of ok with having a slightly off-topic or decorative image that still fits the subject of the page in some way. We have the same on Bazooka with a picture of the thing it's named after rather than the weapon itself.
I mean yeah it absolutely does need history and identification sections, I'd agree with you there. Unfortunately you can write everything I know about identifying Glocks other than the 18 on the back of a stamp and still have room for the entire universe. Evil Tim (talk) 06:04, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
Not that I'd hate if it went away but I agree with Tim, not seeing what the big deal is in keeping it, especially given R. Lee was a big fan and promoter of Glock over the years. I do think a notation to that effect would be nice to add with the image should it be kept, along with a general history/intro writeup for the page. StanTheMan (talk) 11:22, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
