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::Thanks for the explanation. I was always under the impression that the common person (not necessarily the destitute) owned some kind of cartridge firearm. Don't know the economics of that time, but I have rarely (if ever) seen a photo taken in the 1880s-1890s of a person with a percussion firearm (On the flipside, I have seen a photo dated 1913 (I believe) with a sheriff of some unnamed town carrying a Luger in his holster). I understand the few surviving photos of that period aren't indicative of the entire population of the American west as a whole. - [[User:1morey]] November 25, 2018 9:43 AM (EST) | ::Thanks for the explanation. I was always under the impression that the common person (not necessarily the destitute) owned some kind of cartridge firearm. Don't know the economics of that time, but I have rarely (if ever) seen a photo taken in the 1880s-1890s of a person with a percussion firearm (On the flipside, I have seen a photo dated 1913 (I believe) with a sheriff of some unnamed town carrying a Luger in his holster). I understand the few surviving photos of that period aren't indicative of the entire population of the American west as a whole. - [[User:1morey]] November 25, 2018 9:43 AM (EST) | ||
==Pressing trigger again to cock gun== | |||
I found it annoying really fast that your character no longer auto cocks a gun after every shot. This made me shoot twice during fights and actually has been throwing off my aim. I understand how in the real world, most of these guns are lever actions, and pump action that requires you to actually do it, but this is a game and I don't remember the previous Red Dead doing this. I also understand why long guns not chambered back in the day would be a standard practice but why in the hell is the bolt action, a very advanced rifle, of the period not already cocked when it has all 5 rounds loaded? They animate you working the bolt on the Krag every time you take it off your shoulder. The only gun that doesn't do that is the Auto-5 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:20, 25 November 2018 (EST) | |||
Revision as of 15:20, 25 November 2018
How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)
==Delete it and start again is the fastest way MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Yeah sorry about that, took me about 15 minutes to figure it out but I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.
- Is there even a trailer available? --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)
- There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --Aidoru (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)
- Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:
- There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --Aidoru (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)
- A man walking a horse with a deer on its back is holding some kind of carbine (like a full size Spencer or Springfield Trapdoor that was cut down or something).
- A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.
- A gunfighter is holding a Winchester rifle.
- A shot of seven riders shows them with Colt SAAs, one with a Henry rifle, and one with a sawed-off shotgun.
- User:1morey December 12, 2016 9:09 PM (EST)
Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--Eighteen98 (talk) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Spring 2018
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new images including a good shot of some revolvers.--SeanWolf (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
Smith & Wesson No. 3s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a proper page for this game, though. Spartan198 (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
- My bad, S&W Model 3s are Schofields. Spartan198 (talk) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
- Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--Aidoru (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
New page
Since we have some actual guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. Spartan198 (talk) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
Trailer 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --Aidoru (talk) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)
Rifle ID
Bill Williamson is holding a rifle in this cap, but it's hard to make out because of the lighting.
Carcano M91 Long? Spartan198 (talk) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
- More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
- Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. Spartan198 (talk) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
New revolver confirmed
The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming back --Slemke1998 (talk) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)
- Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? Black Irish Paddy (talk) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
- There's no page for the M1892.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
- I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
- There's no page for the M1892.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
Trailer 3 + fresh articles with images
This is the site with the images, a few of which have the Jorg-Kraggson rifle from the first game, the spencer carbine, some sort of repeater (probably the henry) and some sort of shotgun https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/avance-red-dead-redemption-2-ps4-xbox-one-exclusiva-198494 this one aswell: http://www.jeuxactu.com/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-repousse-les-limites-de-l-open-world-113716.htm?utm_source=api&utm_medium=113716&utm_campaign=Twitter
here's the third trailer btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW0tYpxyp0
- I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --PyramidHead (talk) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
- They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
I have a repeater here.
I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. Spartan198 (talk) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
- It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? Black Irish Paddy (talk) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
New Gameplay video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--Aidoru (talk) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
- I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --Slemke1998 (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
- I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in Sicario right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. Spartan198 (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
There's a new sniper rifle.
Rolling Block Carbine?
Spartan198 (talk) 20:46, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
- Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
Best gun detail of any Rockstar game yet?
You can see the detail right down to the file marks here: https://i.imgur.com/wLeXIwv.jpg brasco
- From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--Aidoru (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
- Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -User:1morey September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)
- Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--Phillb36 (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
- The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--Aidoru (talk) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
- It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --Slon95 (talk) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
- I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--AgentGumby (talk) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
- It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --Slon95 (talk) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
- Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -User:1morey September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)
Gameplay Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-tlY6ytk8 Finally get to see some first person perspective gameplay.--Aidoru (talk) 23:56, 1 October 2018 (EDT)
Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim?
The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?
RDR 1: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/73/RDR_Maxim_2.JPG/600px-RDR_Maxim_2.JPG
RDR 2: http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/58/RDRII_Browning.jpg
--Brasco (talk) 14:19, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
Borchardt C93 confirmed
New weapon
One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - User:1morey October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)
- Looks like some flavor of generic single shot .22 rifle that would've been more common than dirt in 1899 given everyone and their mother were making some subvariation of that basic idea. Given the name "Lancaster", I'll guess it's some ersatz version of Winchester and thus would be some variation of Winchester single shots you might be able to somewhat narrow down on. -- PaperCake 5 October, 2018 22:02 (EST)
High Roller Double action revolver
A PS4 exclusive what model is this supposed to be?--Brasco (talk) 21:08, 5 October 2018 (EDT)
- It looks like just an engraved version of the same Colt M1892 New Army & Navy Revolver. --Slon95 (talk) 21:24, 5 October 2018 (EDT)
Rockstar Website weapons preview
https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/features/weaponry --Aidoru (talk) 11:31, 12 October 2018 (EDT)
Weapons speculation
So it was announced there will be over 50 weapons in the game, which means there should be quite a large selection of new firearms to use. The interesting thing is that the available screenshots and video only show weapons that were already in the previous game. Other than the mention of the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle", Rockstar have given no indication what the new firearms will be. There are quite a few possibilities. Winchester 1887, Burgess, & Spenser shotguns. For rifles, Winchester 1895, Savage 1899, Remington-Keene, Remington-Lee, Winchester-Hotchkiss, Mauser, Winchester 1890 and Colt Lightning. I'm not sure which pistols could be added, but the Colt Lightning, Remington 1875/1890, and Browning 1899 are possible choices. Maybe we could even see the 1895 Colt Machine gun? Of course a portion of the new weapons will be for melee, but I would think the majority will be firearms. Anyway, I hope at least some of what I listed appear in the game.-- Phillb36 (talk) 23:53, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
Partial Weapons list leaked
Check it out while you can because this leak might disappear soon: https://ibb.co/m4xvaq
--Brasco (talk) 19:06, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
- Mauser C96, what looks like a Winchester 1890, Springfield Trapdoor Rifle, Krag-Jorgensen Rifle, Spencer 1860 Carbine, Winchester Model 1866 Yellowboy Carbine, Henry Rifle, Double Barreled Hammer Shotguns and a Sawed off double. Looks like Lancaster is the in universe equivalent of Winchester and they're calling the Henry a Litchfield. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 20:43, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
- Those are all already confirmed weapons, not a big surprise here. --AgentGumby (talk) 20:50, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
- There was a video on YouTube(now since taken down) that appeared to show every weapon listed in the guide, and it was kind of disappointing. A large number of the 50 weapons are of the thrown or melee variety. Only two new firearms have been added, the Winchester 1890 & Winchester 1887. In fact, weapons from the previous game have been cut from RDR2. The Lemat, Evans, Sharps, & FN Pistol are gone. The FN getting axed isn't really a surprise but I thought the others would be carried over. The weapon count was also inflated by having 2 or 3 different versions of one gun, but classifying each one as a separate and unique. When I read there would be over 50 weapons I thought for sure there would be a wide array of firearms, but instead this is rather deceptive and there are actually less than before. Hopefully more will be added with DLC.-- Phillb36 (talk) 22:52, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
Lackluster weapons
I really wished there were more weapons like the Colt Double action Lightning, Remington revolvers, Mauser Rifles, Mosin Nagant, early Lee Enfields, Martini Henry, etc. All we got are every single weapon from the first game and 2 of them are now anachronistic. At least they made the C96 accurate and not a fully automatic pistol Excalibur01 (talk) 18:17, 7 November 2018 (EST)
Weapons
So I saw a youtube video where a Old West enthusiast brought up seven different things he noticed in RDR II, and how accurate they were to the time (mainly focusing on clothing, the holster, weapons, and saddles.)
I brought up the fact that the Winchester 1866 seems to be an odd choice as the primary repeater in 1899. And I got a reply saying that actually, most repeaters were incredibly expensive for most people, and that people still carried percussion rifles or revolvers by the turn of the 20th century. I found that rather hard to believe. Not to say that no one did, but to say that the common person was carrying a percussion weapon by the time 1900 rolled through seems a bit of a stretch. - User:1morey November 24, 2018 9:06 PM (EST)
- First, thanks for sharing the video with us, very helpful. Second, nobody is gonna throw away a perfectly good weapon just because they have an opportunity to spent a months pay or more on a new one. Percussion caps, gunpowder and lead are cheaper than loaded cartridges and always have been, then there's the question of where to get more ammo when you need it. Just about any store dealing in firearms or general goods would stock lead, powder and caps not your new cartridge that might fail commercially or even stop being produced as did happen to a number of them over time. Lastly the percussion guns were readily available and cheap due to their continuous production since the 1830's, due to that unless you felt a need to own the latest thing and the financial means to do so you'd use what you had until it could not be used anymore.
- Cartridge firearms were introduced in the 1850's but weren't successful until the late 1860's early 1870's by 1900 most people could afford to have a cartridge gun, most not all, the poor generally had to use what was cheapest and easiest to get and supply ammunition for. The percussion guns were still around and being used because a bullet is a bullet and healthcare was still primitive enough that just about any bullet would kill. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2018 (EST)
- Thanks for the explanation. I was always under the impression that the common person (not necessarily the destitute) owned some kind of cartridge firearm. Don't know the economics of that time, but I have rarely (if ever) seen a photo taken in the 1880s-1890s of a person with a percussion firearm (On the flipside, I have seen a photo dated 1913 (I believe) with a sheriff of some unnamed town carrying a Luger in his holster). I understand the few surviving photos of that period aren't indicative of the entire population of the American west as a whole. - User:1morey November 25, 2018 9:43 AM (EST)
Pressing trigger again to cock gun
I found it annoying really fast that your character no longer auto cocks a gun after every shot. This made me shoot twice during fights and actually has been throwing off my aim. I understand how in the real world, most of these guns are lever actions, and pump action that requires you to actually do it, but this is a game and I don't remember the previous Red Dead doing this. I also understand why long guns not chambered back in the day would be a standard practice but why in the hell is the bolt action, a very advanced rifle, of the period not already cocked when it has all 5 rounds loaded? They animate you working the bolt on the Krag every time you take it off your shoulder. The only gun that doesn't do that is the Auto-5 Excalibur01 (talk) 10:20, 25 November 2018 (EST)