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::::On second thoughts after renaming the Glock 17, it feels even more off to me. I think it's more consistent if we used the actual weapon names in the title, but put their designations in the description like what we already have. After all, while the L129 SSW, L7A2 GPMG and L110A2 LMG are all highly unique variants of other guns known by no other names, the AG-SA80, Glock 17, L2A1 ILAW and even the L85A2 have their own names that they are known by outside the British arsenal. If you give me the green light, I intend to change L131A1 back to Glock 17, L123A2 back to AG-SA80 and then rename the L85A2 to Enfield SA80 A2 (its actual name). After all, the better-known designation is already in the description, and this could help let visitors know about the actual name if they don't already. --[[User:OngYingGao|OngYingGao]] ([[User talk:OngYingGao|talk]]) 02:32, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
::::On second thoughts after renaming the Glock 17, it feels even more off to me. I think it's more consistent if we used the actual weapon names in the title, but put their designations in the description like what we already have. After all, while the L129 SSW, L7A2 GPMG and L110A2 LMG are all highly unique variants of other guns known by no other names, the AG-SA80, Glock 17, L2A1 ILAW and even the L85A2 have their own names that they are known by outside the British arsenal. If you give me the green light, I intend to change L131A1 back to Glock 17, L123A2 back to AG-SA80 and then rename the L85A2 to Enfield SA80 A2 (its actual name). After all, the better-known designation is already in the description, and this could help let visitors know about the actual name if they don't already. --[[User:OngYingGao|OngYingGao]] ([[User talk:OngYingGao|talk]]) 02:32, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::Go ahead.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 02:53, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::Go ahead.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 02:53, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
== SA80A2 ==
I'm not sure how controversial naming the L85A2 the "Enfield SA80A2" might be, but I find that it's better to name weapons outside of their British designations, so I figured I may as well add my personal explanation. Most of the weapons used by the BAF all have L-series naming designations, but they have other names outside that too, whether it's the L105 (P226), L131 (Glock 17), L2A1 (AT4-CS and MATADOR under the ILAW and ASM designations), L123 (AG-SA80), etc, and of course SA80.
The name SA80A2 is also known to [https://www.eda.europa.eu/procurement-biz European Defence Agency], [http://armamentresearch.com/british-enfield-sa80-part-5-sa80-a1vsa2/ ARES], Army Technology and some think tanks too, so I decided to name it as such, but of course refer to it as L85 in the description and captions that follow.--[[User:OngYingGao|OngYingGao]] ([[User talk:OngYingGao|talk]]) 03:39, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Revision as of 07:39, 4 August 2018

Changes to the Page

Hi guys, I find that it's a bit odd for the RPK, RPK-74 and RPK-74M to be dumped under one entry, and for the AK-74 and AK-74M (and as a result, AKS-74 and AKS-74N) to be lumped under one entry, so I will be splitting them up. Additionally, for consistency's sake, I will also split up the M4A1 and M4 entries, and while I'm at it, also update the other articles over the next few days. I'll go around uploading images eventually as well when I have time, cheers! While I'm at it, I'll also try to add a bit more details and trivia to the weapons such as their available kits, configurations and magazine capacities (and probably the number of magazines too. -OngYingGao (talk) 09:29, 27 February 2018 (EST)

I think the M4 and M4A1 could stay under the same entry, though I think the M4 is only used by the militia; the US Army only uses the M4A1 if I'm not mistaken.--AgentGumby (talk) 13:26, 27 February 2018 (EST)
Nope, with the newest update, the M4 has been added to the US Army as well, to add to the already confusing time paradox that the Russians and US Army exist in. -OngYingGao (talk) 03:39, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Idle state images?

What happened to the idle images? Many of the weapons on this page now only have aiming down sight and reload images. They were here a few revisions ago. Not sure why are they being removed. --Wuzh (talk) 07:24, 2 March 2018 (EST)

Hi, which images do you happen to refer to? Previously, when I came to add the pictures there were only ADS and reload images too, apart from a few engine renders that are unrepresentative of the game. However, I do have a pile of pictures lying around for idles if you want them. In fact, I do not recall touching any idle images as well, because if I did i would be replacing existing images in the database, not uploading new ones. I quite like idle shots as well to be honest. --OngYingGao (talk) 07:51, 2 March 2018 (EST)

Example:

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They were on the page on this version, but you removed them in this edit. You also removed an M4A1 idle image in this edit.

To be honest I have exaggerated the "many weapons" part, but I'm kinda curious (and confused) on why are these being removed.--Wuzh (talk) 08:26, 2 March 2018 (EST)

Ah, you were talking about the ones I've added earlier and removed; about those, it was because i'm afraid of making the page way too long since the earlier iteration of the page (before i came in with my image dumps) was a lot shorter and didn't have idles, but if you like them i will gladly add them all back. --OngYingGao (talk) 08:39, 2 March 2018 (EST)
I would say add them in. It feels kinda wrong (eh) to begin with the sight picture.--Wuzh (talk) 08:54, 2 March 2018 (EST)
We seems to still be missing a few idle state images for a few of the pistols, specifically MP-443 Grach, Beretta M9A1, Tokarev TT-33, and Makarov PM. --Wuzh (talk) 09:15, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
All pistols added in. --OngYingGao (talk) 04:08, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

US heavy anti-tank?

So I notice that the US is mentioned as having having heavy and light anti-tank classes, but only the light anti-tank weapon is mentioned. Does the US actually have a heavy anti-tank class? What does it have? Apologies if you simply haven't added it yet.--Mandolin (talk) 20:37, 7 March 2018 (EST)

No, you are right, the US is the only faction without a HAT as of now. However, renders of the FG-148 Javelin and AT-4 have been released from the Sep 16 and Feb 18 recaps respectively. It's my blunder, and thanks a ton for alerting me :P --OngYingGao (talk) 08:29, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Latest Update

I've mostly reverted Agent's changes as I've found the following:

  1. Inconsistency in use of terms, some use "player", some use "player character", some use "soldier"/"militiaman"/"militia fighter" and so on so forth with varying capitalisation, so I reverted it for consistency's sake.
  2. Spelling error of "safety" in one instance
  3. Italics are inconsistent since some are removed
  4. "In first person" was removed in one instance
  5. I've also removed the full stops because it feels iffy for simple clauses to have full stops like complete sentences, and I also try to minimise full stop usage in captions
  6. The ACOG on the M110 was but an alpha build placeholder so it'll not be an important trivia by full release
  7. Tense is also pretty inconsistent, some with present continuous and some with past tense, so i'll try to standardise that too. --OngYingGao (talk)
  1. I kept "player" in some instances such as "the player prepares to exert dominance over a group of targets" when it could ostensibly refer to the guy behind the keyboard; however, the in-game "player character" is the guy doing stuff like reloading weapons, the "player" is not actually doing this.
  2. Yeah that was a minor error, not sure how that happened.
  3. I kind of feel like there are a lot of italics on this page, which isn't really the norm but I guess there's no rule that says they can't be used this way either.
  4. I think it makes the page seem a little boring or redundant when "in first person" is used on just about every idle image. It makes sense to use that phrase whenever a third-person or loadout image is also present, though.
  5. Again, full stops are kinda the norm for image captions but if you say so.
  6. Also again, a lot of pages usually mention trivia from earlier game builds, I don't see the harm in writing this down anyway. Especially in this day in age when every game has tons of early access footage on YouTube, it helps clarify things.
  7. I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to that, for better or worse, but correct as you see fit.--AgentGumby (talk) 13:28, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

"ILAW AT4-CS HEAT"

Does anyone know what the hell ILAW is supposed to be? Infantry Light Anti-tank Weapon? Does the BAF actually use that designation? And do they use the HEAT rocket? I heard they used the High Penetration rocket instead. --OngYingGao (talk) 10:27, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

According to Military Today, ILAW stands for Interim Light Anti-tank Weapon, though the full designation is L2A1 ILAW instead of the mixed name seen here. --Wuzh (talk) 10:32, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
Is there a way to discern between the AT4-CS and the standard AT4 visually? And do you know if the -CS variant is the one the Brits use? --OngYingGao (talk) 10:37, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Caption Dumps

Hey guys, as some things seemed to have been removed, I'll leave them here like some sort of archive so I can hopefully add it back in when the time comes.

M203A1 segment

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Loading a set of suitably patriotic smoke grenades - there's red...
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...and blue.

M67 segment

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Throwing the M67 - note the spoon flying off; this detail is also present on the F-1.
Slightly unrelated note, can you get a screencap of the GP25 in indirect fire use? That's a neat feature I didn't know about until seeing it in this game.--AgentGumby (talk) 23:37, 13 July 2018 (EDT)
As you wish! The indirect fire ability is a feature that died and did not carry onwards to the GP-30, although the GP-25 is still by far most common in the military. --OngYingGao (talk) 23:12, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

GP-25 Kostyor segment

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Aiming the GP-25, zeroed to 300m on indirect fire mode.

IED segment

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Pissing off the regimental quartermaster sergeant with a prank on two weapons crates on the top of the watch tower.
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I guess there isn't much we can do about this, Sir.

Recent Changes

Hey Wuzh, do you think it's better to use the actual name of the firearm than use its British designation? Sure it can stay for the L129A1 since it's a modified LMT rifle, but I was actually thinking of renaming the L85A2 title to "Enfield SA80A2". It feels a bit off to name some weapons after their designations, especially since they have proper names too, like how we don't call the Glock 17 the "L131A1". Same for the AG-SA80, that's the actual name of the launcher, it's just that it was designated L123 after.

Finally, if you are going to add remarks about the zeroing options and tracer frequency, may I assume you'll be applying them to all the other weapons in the page? Only the handguns, grenades and mounted weapons cannot be zeroed, and all machine guns, and the M4 Carbine, M4A1, AK-74, PM md 63 and G3A4 have tracers. --OngYingGao (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2018 (EDT)

I just think that using full British designations makes things more consistent. As for the zeroing and tracers, I'll try my best to do as much as possible, since my computer can barely run Squad and the game crashed on me a dozen times during my edit spree. --Wuzh (talk) 23:40, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
I feel that using the actual name is better because some weapons get different designations across different militaries, especially the AT4-CS being both the M136 AT4 and L2A1 ILAW. But if you prefer that I guess I'll rename the Glock 17 entry to L131A1. Also, changing zero and quirks about them (how they reset when you leave ADS) is common to all weapons. You could leave them at the PPSh-41 page (the first weapon in the page that can zero) or the main game description. Finally, with the British smoke grenade, I think the lengthier part of the caption should go into the weapon description, not the caption. --OngYingGao (talk) 02:10, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
We'll discuss some more if some other problems popped up. Right now the weapon names are fine. --Wuzh (talk) 02:26, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
On second thoughts after renaming the Glock 17, it feels even more off to me. I think it's more consistent if we used the actual weapon names in the title, but put their designations in the description like what we already have. After all, while the L129 SSW, L7A2 GPMG and L110A2 LMG are all highly unique variants of other guns known by no other names, the AG-SA80, Glock 17, L2A1 ILAW and even the L85A2 have their own names that they are known by outside the British arsenal. If you give me the green light, I intend to change L131A1 back to Glock 17, L123A2 back to AG-SA80 and then rename the L85A2 to Enfield SA80 A2 (its actual name). After all, the better-known designation is already in the description, and this could help let visitors know about the actual name if they don't already. --OngYingGao (talk) 02:32, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
Go ahead.--Wuzh (talk) 02:53, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

SA80A2

I'm not sure how controversial naming the L85A2 the "Enfield SA80A2" might be, but I find that it's better to name weapons outside of their British designations, so I figured I may as well add my personal explanation. Most of the weapons used by the BAF all have L-series naming designations, but they have other names outside that too, whether it's the L105 (P226), L131 (Glock 17), L2A1 (AT4-CS and MATADOR under the ILAW and ASM designations), L123 (AG-SA80), etc, and of course SA80.

The name SA80A2 is also known to European Defence Agency, ARES, Army Technology and some think tanks too, so I decided to name it as such, but of course refer to it as L85 in the description and captions that follow.--OngYingGao (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

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