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Used during the revolt, it appears to have a wooden stock.  Since the [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPS-43 submachine gun]] was not issued in the numbers of the PPsH-41, one wonders where the Jewish prisoners got the gun.
Used during the revolt, it appears to have a wooden stock.  Since the [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPS-43 submachine gun]] was not issued in the numbers of the PPsH-41, one wonders where the Jewish prisoners got the gun.


A model with wooden stock must be post-war Polish ws 43/52, as Soviet-made PPS-43 had only folding stock. --[[User:Gereint|Gereint]] 05:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
A model with wooden stock must be post-war Polish Wz 43/52, as Soviet-made PPS-43 had only folding stock. --[[User:Gereint|Gereint]] 05:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


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[[Image:GreyZone-PPSH41A.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|]]

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The Grey Zone (2001)

PPS-43 Submachine Gun

Used during the revolt, it appears to have a wooden stock. Since the PPS-43 submachine gun was not issued in the numbers of the PPsH-41, one wonders where the Jewish prisoners got the gun.

A model with wooden stock must be post-war Polish Wz 43/52, as Soviet-made PPS-43 had only folding stock. --Gereint 05:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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Maxim MG-08 Machine Gun

Rather unusual choice for a belt fed in this time period, German soldiers bring up several Maxim Machine guns to fight the rebellion at the death camp.

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Karabiner 98k

Some of the SS guards can be seen having Karabiner 98k during the revolt in the camp.

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MP38

Some of the NCOs are seen carrying and firing the MP38 in the film.

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MP40

Some of the SS guards can be seen having MP40s during the revolt in the camp.

Walther P38 Non-gun

Also referred to as a 'flash paper gun' these blank fire only weapons are used when in close proximity to an actor. Seen in this film in the several scenes where SS guards are executing prisoners. Usually the camera films them from a distance or odd angles to disguise the gun flash's different appearance from a real gun firing blanks.

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In a truly disturbing and difficult to watch scene, guards execute a lineup of women and girls one by one with a 'flashpaper' blank firing P38, in the background. The SS officers in the foreground wears a strange looking uniform, resembling a Swiss Army uniform that had 'third reich' insignia sewn onto to.

Walther P38

All German officers and NCOs are equipped with Walther P38s. Actually an inaccuracy in the film is that the P38 is really common, even in the hands of enlisted men, which is completely incorrect.

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SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt (Harvey Keitel) uses his Walther P38 to shoot Hesch Abramowics (Steve Buscemi) - 9mm
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SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt (Harvey Keitel)'s pistol locks back after one shot, indicating that only one round was in the gun, which is unlikely.
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Wearing a helmet that is way too small, an extra dressed as a German soldier fires his P38 in the final battle. Like so many of the other P38s in the film, the gun locks back empty after one shot is fired, again, indicating that the pistol was loaded with only one blank.

In a somewhat weird sequence, SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt (Harvey Keitel) can be seen using a Walther P38 to kill a girl at the end of the movie as other SS guards stand by and looked perplexed.

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SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt (Harvey Keitel) prepares his P38 for the final shot - 9 mm


Trivia

Wardrobe review

Despite harrowing scenes and good acting, the costuming left something to be desired. The German uniforms were surprising bad in this modern WW2 themed movie. The Helmets were Spanish army and were for the most part way too small. The uniforms were brown (probably unmodified Swedish uniforms), not feldgrau (Field gray) which is actually a greenish grey which would have been correct. The SS officers uniforms were really bizarre, (looking a lot like unmodified Swiss uniforms), they looked more like something out of Starship Troopers than a World War 2 movie. Also the soldiers were wearing the wrong gear, but this mistake is common amongst War movies about Nazi Germany. Only films like Saving Private Ryan try to get things right with the wardrobe. ~ MPM2008