Talk:Battlefield 1: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Battlefield 1: Difference between revisions
::It's actually half as powerful as the UK muzzle energy cutoff for an air pistol to be considered a firearm. Given the designer was a watchmaker (and you basically have to load the thing with tweezers because the rounds are so dinky), it was probably more a "look what I can do" thing. Or a pistol so that your actual pistol can defend itself. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:07, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
::It's actually half as powerful as the UK muzzle energy cutoff for an air pistol to be considered a firearm. Given the designer was a watchmaker (and you basically have to load the thing with tweezers because the rounds are so dinky), it was probably more a "look what I can do" thing. Or a pistol so that your actual pistol can defend itself. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:07, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Welp. I loved it when how the player hands reacts when receiving this pistol for first time. And how gently the player hands pulled the slide and shoot it like holding a tiny tea cup. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
:::Welp. I loved it when how the player hands reacts when receiving this pistol for first time. And how gently the player hands pulled the slide and shoot it like holding a tiny tea cup. [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
==Everything feels so weak... and it is==
Seriously since playing for the past few days (Early Enlister) everything Ive used thus far feels so incredibly weak barring Scout weapons and Shotguns that nearly everybody I've faced feel like bullet sponges what with the developers infamous netcode issues on bullet registeration. The LMG's you'd believe to be fairly powerful but they are so misleading because they do the exact damage as most of the SMG's, some examples are the BAR M1918, M1909 and Lewis Gun which do the same damage as the M1918 Automatico at 21 per shot and the Madsen and MG15 do around 23 per shot within 20 meters. Some of the Medic's rifles take nearly 3-4 bullets just to down a single soldier making most of the Medic's rifles such as the Model 8 .35 and Luger 1906 (which is a level 10 final unlock for the Medic) useless because their magazine sizes are so small, only the Mondragon and Selbstrader M1916 kill in a consistent three shots at all ranges and M1907, Cei Rigotti and Model 8 .25 kill in about 3 shots at 25 meters and 4 at everything else. The pistols aren't too bad because they have the highest variety in damage in my opinion however the M1911 makes almost all but the Revolvers and specility pistols obsolete thus far because it simply outshines them in every way. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 15:30, 22 October 2016 (EDT)
Seriously. This is a good change for once, other than Battlefield mod and fictional "Iron Storm" (2002). This is a first World War 1 FPS comes from a major game publisher.Alex Vostox (talk)
Yeah, it's got some nice Steampunk elements (ala Dishonored) too, but tbh im more pumped about this than Infinite Warfare, even the CoD 4 remaster looked better imo.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 13:00, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
I was really hoping to see 1944 next, but I gotta say that this looks amazing. Perhaps the first after this is 1944. --CnC Fin (talk) 13:27, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
It looks alright, the graphics are damn good though, that's for sure.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 13:28, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
Let's hope they bring one of the MANLIEST element of the World War 1..The MUSTACHE! Alex Vostox (talk)
Every time you rank up your character's moustache gets slightly bigger? Evil Tim (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
I'm going to be really disappointed if they don't have this in the game--John Ryder (talk) 03:34, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
You've reached Rank 100. You've unlocked... The Handlebar.--Bad Boy (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
It's gonna be a good year for FPS games. I can't wait for this and Infinite Warfare (that must be illegal). As some of you guys mentioned, World War I games are rarely done and it's nice to see a triple A publisher try their hand at it. WWI is such a sorely underused setting, so much potential too. And I love space and science fiction, so Infinite Warfare has me covered there. --PyramidHead (talk) 02:24, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
This game reminds me that i want to see a CoD of BF that takes place during the korean war.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 02:46, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
Italian Rifle
It does look like it's designed after a Carcano 1891 Cavalry Carbine, but the rifle is way too long. Mr. Wolf (talk) 23:09, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
Maybe it's a inaccurately sized model? Judging from DICE's rendering accuracy (cough cough ARX 160), it could be the case.
Is that cough getting in the way of you signing your posts, mysterious contributor?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
It isn't a Carcano, the stock is the wrong shape, there is no external magazine, no folding bayonet, and the end cap on the stock is wrong. C&Rsenal did a brakdown of the trailer and their oppinion on this rifle is that it is just a place holder and will eventually be a Carcano Cavalry Carbine, but it seems that currently the model is a modified Mauser 1898. --commando552 (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
Hrm, interesting. Mr. Wolf (talk) 19:26, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
And, though it's just me, the barrel on it seems extremely too long and thin. This leads me to believe it IS supposed to be the Carcano, but just absurdly disproportionate. Jaxxons11 (talk) 19:38, 15 May 2016 (EDT)
I agree, it looks like they have mistaken the length of the Carbine for the full length M91 --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 20:20, 15 May 2016 (EDT)
MG 15?
So, there was a short teaser released few days ago, and it showed Bergmann MG 15nA light machine gun. I came here to add that to the images but it appears that someone inserted MG 15 instead of MG 15nA. I changed the name/image and added new screenshot, but if there is an image that contains MG 15 as well as MG 15nA, feel free to add that again. Zzang1847 (talk)
What's this rifle
EA just had their E3 stream. It was really lame and not enough ME: Andromeda footage (i've been waiting 3 years for some gameplay, move yer butts!) There was a new trailer for BF1 though showing DICE's lack of taste in music. There's gonna be a livestream of bored looking people playing to soon.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:09, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
I assume it was used during WW1?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:09, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
I don't if it was or was not. Mr. Wolf (talk) 18:25, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
I just hope that the Winchester 1895 shows up.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:40, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
It was used by France, and is limited by Russia and by the United Kingdom. Some French versions have been converted into a full-auto and are equipped with extended magazines. --Slon95 (talk) 18:57, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
What I really hope doesn't happen with this game is have tons of rare and little used semi auto rifles and SMGs inexplicably in the hands of common infantrymen, just so the game can still have the feel of Battlefield without modern automatic weapons. --PyramidHead (talk) 19:32, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
I hope they keep it authentic with the Nagant jaming all the time.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 20:17, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
More gameplay here.--Quarax (talk) 23:33, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
About the only thing that makes me worried so far is the aircraft seem ludicrously tough, in these alpha games you have people slamming them headlong into the ground and flying them through buildings without destroying them. I guess that might be a balance thing because they're slower and so easier to hit from the ground, but still. Evil Tim (talk) 12:07, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
I don't think the collision physics for airplanes has been finalized yet, but I do hope they stay more resilient when touching the ground than BF4's instantly-dead jets. Alex T Snow (talk) 18:04, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
Back in Battlefield 1942: Desert Combat the AC-130 was kind of infamous for having so much health it could actually fly straight through the chimneys on the El Alamein map and survive. It might be they just jacked up their health for the early builds because they wanted people who had no idea how to fly them to still have fun. Evil Tim (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
So I added bunch of new weapons that came out from the second gameplay trailer, and I need some help identifying this shotgun. I know that there is a confirmation that Winchester M1897 "Trench Gun" is going to be in the game, but this gun is shown very briefly in first person view, and I am not sure whether it's M1897 or not. If this gun is from WW1 then Winchester Model 12 might be another possible candidate, but that I cannot guarantee. What do you guys think? Zzang1847 (talk)
Those sights are throwing me off. Mr. Wolf (talk) 22:34, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
I could be wrong, but that could be either the Stevens Model 520 or the Remington Model 10. --SeanWolf (talk) 23:40, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
I think you are right about Remington Model 10. If you look closely on the top of receiver, there is a bulged rail-looking part for mounting attachments(like the optic in the image) and I haven't seen that thing on M1897/M520. Now Winchester Model 12 also has that part on top of the receiver, but when I looked at the footage frame by frame, there were no shells ejecting on the right side, which fits the description of Model 10's bottom feed/ejecting mechanism. Unless I see any other suggestion of what that shotgun might be by tomorrow, I will update it to Remington Model 10. Thanks for the suggestion! Zzang1847 (talk)
A quick update to my previous comment. I just checked the new multiplayer gameplay footage from Jackfrags and kill-feed confirms that it is Remington Model 10(It says Model 10-A-HE, which I assume it is one of the pre-set customization options). I will update the main page right away! Zzang1847 (talk)
Wow...so I actually knew something right about a gun being shown!--SeanWolf (talk) 14:37, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
About the names and presets, it seems every gun has a two-letter bit at the end of its name denoting the different presets, but I haven't figured out what they actually mean. About the sights, it seems the game as some sort of early dual-lens system where the front and rear sights are replaced with lenses that give the player what is effectively a 2x scope. Keep this in mind if you're trying to ID something and the sights are like this. Alex T Snow (talk) 17:25, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
On a sidenote, I think that the picture of the shotgunner getting hit with a shovel should be moved under the Model 10, as the model clearly lacks a hammer. Now, granted, the pump handle is shoved under the receiver, so you could argue that the same applies to the other moving parts, including the hammer, but I'm more inclined to believe that the victim of a shovel attack has (or rather, had) a Model 10. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 08:45, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
How come they didn't include the extra round chambering on this shotgun in the closed alpha. Maybe they will fix it in the final release? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:28, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
Probably trying to use WW1 era gun handling techniques. Notice how handguns are now held with one hand? I don't think chambering a shell, then loading the tube was a common military practice for shotguns back then. I could be wrong though.--Aidoru (talk) 15:13, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
This is likely it. From my not-super-educated-on-the-era perspective, BF3/4's loading the chamber first, then the tube definitely feels more "modern" and "tactical", while loading the tube first and ending with a pump feels more "classic" and "old school". Also, another fun fact is that you can cancel/shorten reloads if you need to ready the gun quickly. Mag-fed guns can't do this of course, but anything that uses stripper clips and single-round loading can. If you hit the fire button while reloading, the round/clip currently being inserted will finish loading, then you'll rechamber the gun right after, so for rifles you'll close the bolt and shotguns you'll pump them, and I assume this will apply to revolvers in the full game as well. Alex T Snow (talk) 15:26, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
You should therefore also expect to see a lot of terrible trigger discipline since the military didn't teach it to soldiers back then. Evil Tim (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
Makes sense. Only time will tell if an extra round can at least be chambered by reloading the Model 10 a second time after an empty reload (like mag-fed weapons do). Btw Call of Duty 3 made two interesting things regarding this topic: an empty reload of the Winchester M1897 involved loading 5 shells, pumping and then automatically inserting an extra one, and while loading two stripper clips into the Lee-Enfield you could actually interrupt the process and fire the weapon after loading only one. It's extremely silly that such features weren't carried on in any of the 10 following games. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2016 (EDT)
Weapon identifications by Forgotten Weapons
Forgotten Weapon uploaded a few videos analyzing the different guns that appeared in the teaser trailer and the gameplay trailer. Inceptor57 (talk) 22:41, 12 June 2016 (EDT) [1] - Teaser Trailer analysis [2] - Gameplay Trailer analysis
I also will run the assumption that no matter if it was introduced at the beginning or end of the war, we will be seeing any gun that existed during this time period regardless if it served in actual combat. Like I bet the BAR will be an awesome weapon. Excalibur01 (talk) 16:29, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
I am fearing that the game designers will put sights that are the closest thing there will be to "optics" because gamers and kids these days just love their red dots and can't seem to want to play period pieces without their red dots. Greatest example is COD black ops where red dots galore before red dots were even thought possible for long guns. Excalibur01 (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
Holy damn, they added a Cei-Rigotti, I may have to buy this game. :P --Slon95 (talk) 19:32, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
Well, you do have things that look pretty close to modern optics like this thing, which is a rare Zeiss-made 2.5x prismatic magnifier. Also reflex sights are a bit older than you think, they just didn't really catch on at first. Even some WW1 fighter planes had red-dot reflector gunsights, in fact, though you'd never see them officially because they were top-secret: as late as WW2 the RAF was still messing around with photographs to replace reflector sights on Spitfires with old wire bullseye sights.
Also, regarding the mystery scope on the Beretta M1918, I found this image of a Lee-Enfield with what looks like some kind of magnifying rear sight, but I couldn't find any sites describing it or giving it a name. Anyone know? Evil Tim (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
It looks like Parker-Hale aperture backsight, most likely Model 4 (though it was used with No.4 Mk I rifle). Greg-Z (talk) 06:46, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
https://imgur.com/gallery/QV6Fc
Speaking of ForgottenWeapons, apparently he took a trip to DICE's LA studio, and assisted them. Dunno how, but it gives me faith that the weapons will at least be modelled and animated as close to authentic as possible.--Aidoru (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
I can't be the only one who, if I was the one picking the teams for the livestream, would have invited him to play?--BlackHawk510 (talk) 12:24, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
Reloading rifles that require opening the action
Despite my initial concerns due to how terrible Youtube compression is, making it hard to see details, the round ejected when opening the action is actually accounted for. And by "accounted for", I mean your character covers the ejection port with their left hand as you open the bolt, putting the ejecting round back into the internal magazine. Thought you guys would find this interesting. Literally the only inaccuracy I'm finding with weapon reloading is the C96, but the alternative is not allowing reloads unless empty, so I can let that one slide. Alex T Snow (talk) 18:20, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
Love it when animators put details like that into reload animations. That's why i like MoH: Warfighter, delicious animations.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:37, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
But in the B1 has a realistic reloading (with half-empty magazine replaced by a full magazine no jerks once again charging handle); as well as the balance between the stripper clips and the individual rounds to rifles (insert a stripper clip when you can insert a five ammo to the rifle's magazine, and the pre-load with the individual cartridges) - something that is very rarely see in the video games, and already is an achievement in itself. As for the animations, I hope that they will correct their later, as now the game is only in alpha stage. --Slon95 (talk) 18:57, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
Considering the attention to detail and the selection firearms, this is looking to be atleast interesting to play just to see all the guns.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:58, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
I wonder if they'll have the dafter stuff like the catapults and grenade-launching crossbows they developed before everyone came to their senses and started using rifle grenades? Evil Tim (talk) 18:29, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
Your post reminds me of that knife with a bipod from BF4, that was fun.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:52, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
5 bucks says that they include the Blanch-Chevalier. For those that don't know, it was basically a Martini-Henry with the barrel replaced with a setup that allows for the use of proprietary muzzle-loading grenades and blank cartridges, fired from the shoulder just to make it more ridiculous. Only 1 exists, but given the Cei-Rigotti, it seems likely. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
He was seen in the pre-alpha. At first I thought it was the Colt Model 1895; but it seems to be something other. --Slon95 (talk) 12:27, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
Actually it's not a machine gun, it is an anti-tank weapon 1.59-inch Breech-Loading Vickers Q.F. Gun, Mk II. There are some BF1 videos where it is being used against, well, tanks. --CnC Fin (talk) 12:51, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
As I understand, it will replace the rocket launchers from WWII shooters. --Slon95 (talk) 11:59, 30 June 2016 (EDT)
A list of all the weapon names obtained from the Alpha files. Temp89 (talk)
That's definitely a list of weapons from singleplayer, though that said the odds of SP-only guns should be pretty low. I'm excited for some of those pistols. Alex T Snow (talk) 14:42, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
Heh, Mars pistol in there as the game's Desert Eagle. Wonder if it costs health to shoot it like the real one? Evil Tim (talk) 14:59, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
This is clearly not a complete list. There are missing the many weapons, that are already in the game. --Slon95 (talk) 15:06, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
Well, this is pulled out of the files (probably for SP) so it's entirely possible some of the MP weapons don't appear in SP. It's also entirely possible some of the weapons on that list will only ever be on that list.
I'm a little confused as to what use a 2.7mm smoothbore pistol with an almighty 3 foot-pounds of muzzle energy is going to be in-game, though. The Kolibri makes a .22LR look like a cannon. In fact given the Kolibri is this big (that's a .50 AE round beside it), it's going to be hard to even see it in your character's hand.
What I'm really hoping is somewhere in the DLC they do a Battle of Jutland map where every squad leader can spawn a Dreadnought or something. Evil Tim (talk) 15:24, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
Why am I getting the vibe with this is that they just watched any Forgotten Weapons video with a gun from before 1918 and just said, sure let's put that in. I mean the Kolibri's are rare, the Mars were effectively relics by WWI, Howdah's were hunting guns and their military uses were more in India and South Africa, Bulldog's were sort of petering out in popularity with civilians and next to none were in military hands. --PaperCake 10:26, 4 July 2016 (EST)
Well it's not like it's ever not been like that given Battlefield's tendency towards things like Pancor Jackhammers and MagPul PDRs and such. Even the first one had you fighting with the StG-44 before it had been invented and with the HMS Prince of Wales after she'd been sunk. Evil Tim (talk) 13:44, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, the Battlefield series is known for taking artistic liberties in their games. Don't forget the Tiger I in Operation Battleaxe a year before they entered service. Then of course you have the Secret Weapons pack and all they added. DICE likes to use low production or even just prototypes for their games, and keeping them to the correct chronological point isn't their concern. Zombiedrd (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
I gotta say, I quite like that they put these rare or low production weapons in their games, makes the games more interesting and shows of weapons people might never heard of before. If i want historical accuracy, I'd play Red Orchestra or something.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:52, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
I'll second this entirely. There are so many very cool and interesting guns (and vehicles and other tech) I'd never heard of before, I love it! And really, every Battlefield's weapon list is like this. Alex T Snow (talk) 17:10, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, it makes it more interesting then just having everyone run around with Nagants and Mausers and whatnot.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 21:02, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
Something I see there besides the Auto-5 and MG15, I also see the Remington Model 8 as well. Currently an image of it is being used to showcase the Auto-5 which is incorrect as I do not believe the Auto-5 ever held 8 rounds. Draco122 (talk) 08:51, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
Well, the Model 8 could be running the 15-rounder, and just isn't fully loaded. Also, we saw the M1918 Mauser 13.2mm, and an icon of the Webley-Fosbery autorevolver (which, by the way, YES) for a split-second. Cheers, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:52, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
I am thoroughly surprised the Chauchat has yet to be revealed. Here's to hoping the French's 8x50mmR Lebel makes it into the game over the US's .30-06 version. Jaxxons11 (talk) 21:12, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
The Borchardt C-93, Steyer M1912, and Frommer Stop machine pistol are in some of the recent videos from Gamescon.--AgentGumby (talk) 21:23, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
I'd bet the Chauchat will be in the France DLC. Alex T Snow (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
Selbstlader M1916 in the hands of an desert infantryman? O_o. I understand everything, but in real life Mauser Selbstlader and the desert - the things, I think, very poorly compatible. Where it would be logical, if it would the pilot's choice of weapon. -Slon95 (talk) 19:01, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
Beta Data Mine, Full Weapon List
Unlike the previous one, this looks to be a full, proper list of all weapons, including their presets. As a Canadian, I will absolutely be rocking the Huot Automatic Rifle. Edit: I made an easier to read version. Alex T Snow (talk) 15:02, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
>holy moley a Kolibri pistol
Forgotten Weapons: The Game is really shaping up well.--AgentGumby (talk) 18:43, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
Again, I'm surprised that the Chauchaut hasn't been confirmed yet. I mean, it was the first widely used, man portable, fully automatic rifle. Jaxxons11 (talk) 16:27, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
Probably all the French weapons are supposed to be in the first DLC.--AgentGumby (talk) 16:34, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
I'd bet anything the France DLC will have the RSC 1917, Chauchat, Lebel (and an Assault gun), while the Russia DLC will have the Fedorov Avtomat and Mosin-Nagant (and Assault/Support guns). Alex T Snow (talk) 00:30, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
French Assault class automatic will most likely be Ribeyrolles Mle. 1918, calling it now! I really wonder what they could bring in the Russian DLC, maybe more Winchester self loading rifles?--BeloglaviSup (talk) 09:09, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
Figured you guys would want to see this. :3 Alex T Snow (talk) 16:31, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
Imagine it serves as a melee weapon that behaves akin to an extreme choking hazard.--BeloglaviSup (talk) 17:27, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
Maybe it's for the yet-to-be-revealed Ant class. On a more serious note, my best guesses for the French DLC are an Mle. 1892, a Star Ruby (along with a possible Plus Ultra variant), a Savage pistol, and maybe an 1873 Chamelot-Delvigne as a joke (with a muzzle velocity of about 2 m/s), a Ribeyrolles 1918, a Chauchat, an RSC 1917 or 1918, a Lebel, a Berthier, and maybe a Remington Rolling Block. Only time will tell. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:13, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
Hopefully after you've emptied the weapon and dirtied someones shirt you can throw it at them. --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
On a slightly less related note, we've got confirmation of the M1889 Bodeo, based on some early footage of the cinematic tools available ingame, along with the BAR. It's in this video. Cheers, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:14, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
Nice to finally see some revolver gameplay, though I do want to see their reloads, what with most of them using loading gates. Also, the Avanti Savoia teaser, with a shot of a rather unique weapon in it. :3 Alex T Snow (talk) 17:47, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
Hey, it seemed to me, or I saw this there: --Slon95 (talk) 19:56, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
Found this video here of a guy showcasing some weapons and weapon skins. Added the ones that I saw, also I'm not liking many of those skins at all in my honest opinion. The flashy gold engraving is not too bad but most of them are pretty bad. Draco122 (talk) 16:53, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
It's a WWI game, you don't need skins. It looks quite ironic when a gold plated BAR gets muddy in St. Quentin Scar.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:21, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
It's not like this is a game about realism. Prototypes and experimental designs being used as standard issue and all. Not to mention tactics not seen until the Second World War(Literally saw a combined armed blitzkrieg assault using RE8s and Mark IV tanks). Zombiedrd (talk) 17:40, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
Nice to see that DICE have acknowledged the M1897's slam fire capability.--Aidoru (talk) 01:14, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
Some more weapons can be seen from gameplay in Jackfrags video, Sentry Destruction which includes a new Sawn Off Shotgun for the Tank Hunter class Draco122 (talk) 14:43, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
I just watched the early footage of the game yesterday and watching the player go through the first couple missions, I'd noticed that the creators of this game really can't get away from everything modern warfare style games have done to the genre of shooters. You first start off with the broom handle, sure that's ok. Churchill himself used one in his youth but then, you can tell the progression of the player as he picked up the "essentially an assault rifle" and going to town, then switching up to full auto weapons. It's cool to use those types of guns, but the historical inaccuracy is just painful and we know why they did it. They designed this game to feel like modern warfare with guns close enough to today's automatic guns in a time period that didn't have a lot of that in the actual feel. It's like if they make a Civil War game and we constantly see Henry rifles even though they weren't that prominent on the battlefield, despite being game changers. It's like the designers think it'd be too boring for the Brits to use a bolt action Enfield with a Webley as his sidearm. Excalibur01 (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
"It's like the designers think it'd be too boring for the Brits to use a bolt action Enfield with a Webley as his sidearm." Yes, that is the point. This is an AAA game trying to compete on the shooter market with the mass of gamers, not a game made for people who want realism. Using tactics of the Great War, with common weapons of the Great War, would be too slow for the average shooter player(Look at the insanity of Titanfall). To be a big seller, you have to have intense fast paced action, and bolt actions and trench warfare doesn't do that. Instead of have a gamer closer to a World War 2 game, because fast mechanized warfare is what the average gamer wants. Remember, this game isn't for us older people into the historical lore of the firearms of the period, but for that range from 15-25. Zombiedrd (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
I've noticed exactly that watching some of the game-play videos out now. In one of the story modes the character has a bolt-action for about 30 seconds before switching to a semi-auto rifle and then picking up a portable machine gun. Based on a lot of weaponry it seems the game developers based most of it on the Forgotten Weapons youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons/videosbrasco (talk) 15:16, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
Well, in this sort of situation, there's always a balance between realism and fun. On one hand, you can't just throw realism out the window and have people running around with AUGs and SPAS-12s like it's Black Ops, but on the other hand, were it to be completely realistic, you'd spend about a month of your time sitting in a trench with a bolt-action rifle, waiting to get trenchfoot or die of an infection. Sure, it's not terribly historically accurate, but I'm fine with them fictionalizing the available armaments of the war (at least to the extent of things that existed, but weren't issued in large numbers/ at all) in exchange for a more enjoyable game. If you want a more realistic WW1 shooter, go get a copy of Verdun. But anyway, that's just the opinion of Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:03, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
Well said. Also, you're free to use or not use whatever weapons you want in campaign, so it's not like you have to use something out of place if you don't want. Alex T Snow (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
Villa-Perosa 1915
There was a Villa-Perosa 1915 in one of the recent gameplay videos on YouTube. It could be picked up from weapon boxes spread around the maps. Should this be added?--Hchris (talk) 14:57, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
Of course. Also, it should be noted that though the HUD shows it holding "25", that's shots, not individual rounds. It fires two at once, thus is correctly 50 rounds. Alex T Snow (talk) 16:56, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
I believe it's available as an alternate weapon for the Sentry Elite Class. It trades firepower for added mobility I believe. Draco122 (talk) 18:22, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
Kolibri
Seriously, this cute little pistol actually existed? How do you actually use that thing though (in terms of practicality)? - Kenny99 (talk) 20:16, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
It's adorable and does 5 damage at point blank, 25 for a headshot. Also, while we're on this topic, it's capacity of 7+1 looks to be correct (whoever wrote otherwise). While Ian of Forgotten Weapons did say it didn't like loading all seven, the magazines were clearly designed for seven. Alex T Snow (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
It's actually half as powerful as the UK muzzle energy cutoff for an air pistol to be considered a firearm. Given the designer was a watchmaker (and you basically have to load the thing with tweezers because the rounds are so dinky), it was probably more a "look what I can do" thing. Or a pistol so that your actual pistol can defend itself. Evil Tim (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
Welp. I loved it when how the player hands reacts when receiving this pistol for first time. And how gently the player hands pulled the slide and shoot it like holding a tiny tea cup. Alex Vostox (talk)
Everything feels so weak... and it is
Seriously since playing for the past few days (Early Enlister) everything Ive used thus far feels so incredibly weak barring Scout weapons and Shotguns that nearly everybody I've faced feel like bullet sponges what with the developers infamous netcode issues on bullet registeration. The LMG's you'd believe to be fairly powerful but they are so misleading because they do the exact damage as most of the SMG's, some examples are the BAR M1918, M1909 and Lewis Gun which do the same damage as the M1918 Automatico at 21 per shot and the Madsen and MG15 do around 23 per shot within 20 meters. Some of the Medic's rifles take nearly 3-4 bullets just to down a single soldier making most of the Medic's rifles such as the Model 8 .35 and Luger 1906 (which is a level 10 final unlock for the Medic) useless because their magazine sizes are so small, only the Mondragon and Selbstrader M1916 kill in a consistent three shots at all ranges and M1907, Cei Rigotti and Model 8 .25 kill in about 3 shots at 25 meters and 4 at everything else. The pistols aren't too bad because they have the highest variety in damage in my opinion however the M1911 makes almost all but the Revolvers and specility pistols obsolete thus far because it simply outshines them in every way. Draco122 (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2016 (EDT)
