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::::::Watching it again now. He doesn't exactly say that they're ''using'' non-lethal ammo, he just says that they ''can''' use live ammo. That said, though, if you pay attention, you can actually see the shots just bouncing off the Ido's head, so I'm inclined to agree that this guy was probably firing rubber batons. Still, though, I think he might have stood a better chance had he fired directly into its mouth. Like I said, there's a lot of sensitive and vulnerable tissue in there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:28, 25 May 2016 (EDT) | ::::::Watching it again now. He doesn't exactly say that they're ''using'' non-lethal ammo, he just says that they ''can''' use live ammo. That said, though, if you pay attention, you can actually see the shots just bouncing off the Ido's head, so I'm inclined to agree that this guy was probably firing rubber batons. Still, though, I think he might have stood a better chance had he fired directly into its mouth. Like I said, there's a lot of sensitive and vulnerable tissue in there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:28, 25 May 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::::::With a biped dinosaur you might have a better chance aiming for the ankles, actually, it'd probably piss off right quick if it thought pursuing a rubbish meal might cost it the use of a leg. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:32, 25 May 2016 (EDT) | :::::::With a biped dinosaur you might have a better chance aiming for the ankles, actually, it'd probably piss off right quick if it thought pursuing a rubbish meal might cost it the use of a leg. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:32, 25 May 2016 (EDT) | ||
::::::::Heheh [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 12:44, 25 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
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Cattle Prods
ACU troopers are seen armed with what appear to be cattle prods similar to the ones used in Jurassic Park.
Unknown Pistol
A Jurassic World Security guard is seen with a pistol of unknown make.
That does look like a Pneu Dart X-2 Tranquilizer pistol.
Discussion
Am I the only one curious with the fact that a JW Park Warden is armed with a lever action rifle. I mean the original park had everyone armed with AR-15s or the SPAS-12. Being 2015, I think high-powered semi-auto rifles would be more reliable against large predators than a lever-action. - User:1morey December 3, 2014 9:02 PM (EST)
Well, as a matter of fact a lever action is more mechanically reliable (as in less prone to failures) than a semiauto, and is still one of the fastest manual operated actions (more than bolt action, basically on par with pump action). But yeah, in my opinion a large calibre pump action or lever action wouldn't be a bad choice - User:DonPatrono December , 2014 7:12 PM (CET)
- Also, remember that this particular rifle is chambered in .45-70 Government. This is a pretty powefull round, much more capable than a 5.56x45mm out of an AR-15. This gun is designed for short range hunting/defence of pretty much any North American animal including Grizzly bears so it would be capable of dealing with smaller dinosaurs like the Raptors, and possibly bigger stuff with a well placed shot. --commando552 (talk) 13:46, 4 December 2014 (EST)
Huh. I just learned something. Thanks for the explanation. User:1morey December 4, 2014 3:40 PM (EST)
Also, Chris Pratt isn't the game warden. He's a behavioral researcher on Raptors. --Bad Boy (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2014 (EST)
Well, it is conceivable that he's both (or maybe head of security). Robert Muldoon was the game warden and the Raptor expert. - User:1morey December 5 2014 1:20 PM (EST)
- Well, he was more the raptor expert because they kept trying to eat him, I'd assume raptor expert is actually a field of study by this point in the movie universe. Also the movie looks interesting but I'm a little worried this might have something to do with that doofy binned script that did the rounds ages ago where they were trying to train dinosaurs for the military. Evil Tim (talk) 15:50, 5 December 2014 (EST)
Newly posted photo of Chris Pratt with the Marlin gives a much better look at the additions, It's got writing over the image so I'm not sure about adding it to the page --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 00:23, 29 March 2015 (GMT)
Traquilizer
Please help ID this tranquilizer rifle. It doesn't look like a Vanquish. --Ben41 (talk)
- Based on the ejection port which appears too small for the magazine and barrel, and the presence of those rather crude looking moulding seams on the receiver, I am inclined to think that it is either a total mock-up or something else inside a plastic shell. --commando552 (talk) 08:31, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
- I definitely saw the bolts cycling in various scenes, though I didn't see anything ejecting, so they're at least functional in some capacity. Alex T Snow (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
I think its a modified paintball marker with a custom-made shell. You can see the tank on the stock, and the magazine looks like a Hammer-7 or Spyder mag. Markost (talk)
Revolver
It's ID'd as a Colt Python but the barrel underlug doesn't look right, furthermore it appears to have a fairly large barrel and a 5-round cylinder, making me think this is some kind of .44 Spl Intermediate revolver, along the lines of a Taurus Model 431 (though not that, as it appears to have a larger ramp front sight). StanTheMan (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2015 (EDT)
- Jimmy Fallon also had a revolver in his safety video, which was probably not actually a .50. Alex T Snow (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
InGen Soldiers
Did Anyone catch what the InGen soldier who are brought in by Hoskins' character are called? They had some sort of name that ended with "group" or "division" or something like that but I forgot it. Either way, they can be seen with a few more weapons including what looked like a Mk 14, DRD Paratus and KSG used by the hunting party with the raptors, and the guy in the helicopter who shoots one of the little pterosaurs has a rifle that looked like it might have been a G36 variant fitted with a brass catcher. --commando552 (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
- For the rifle which was used to shoot the pterosaurs, I think it uses a sort of first gen HK-417 or old G-36 mag due to it's shape. --ArmaLite15 (talk) 14:08, 14 June 2015 (CET)
- I only noticed the rifle for a split second before the shot changed, it was mainly the style of the may that made me think it might have been a G36. Was kind of hard to tell though as most of the side of the receiver was obscured by the brass catcher.--commando552 (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
- I think the tranquilizer is a modified H&K SL8 with the forend removed, the barrel cut down and a modified stock. --User:1morey June 14, 2015, 12:25 PM (EST)
- I don't think so, the charging handle is in the wrong place, the magazine is wrong (I seem that remember that it kind of looked like a stereotypical 7.62 mag like on an M14), and no part of the receiver matches so it would have to be a plastic shell and it doesn't look bulky enough for that.--commando552 (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
- I definitely saw the M14 variant, there was an M249 at one point while they were running around, and earlier one of them setup an MG of some sort with a bipod on the roof of the truck when they stopped, could have been the same SAW, but didn't get a good look. I do remember noticing that pretty much every single scene cut featured a different rifle, but all the others that I can recall right now have been mentioned. Alex T Snow (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
Just saw the movie today. The InGen soldiers were from the InGen Private Security Division.--Wildcards (talk) 01:49, 24 June 2015 (EDT)
I saw: M249, Mk.14 EBR/M14 with rails, M4(M416?) with M203, not sure what else. At least some of the guns looked like they had 7.62 NATO mags, so who knows.--Mandolin (talk) 13:18, 25 June 2015 (EDT)
After Chris Pratt and the kids get into the Mercedes SUV to avoid being trampled by fleeing guests, the scene cuts to the InGen security team outside the Raptor paddock. Two soldier are shown picking up weapons off of a table. One is the Kel-Tec, but the other one is a rifle on a bipod. Any idea what this rifle is? (Wish I could provide a screen shot to make this easier, sorry.) Thanks.--Goondocks (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2015 (EST)
During Chris Pratt's briefing of the InGen soldiers before the raptors are released, a soldier in the background looks like he's carrying a SAW with an underslung M203 grenade launcher.--Goondocks (talk) 17:22, 5 November 2015 (EST)
National Guard question
I've got a question. At the end of the flick I saw a National Guardsman holding what looks like an M16A2, or is it a Colt Model 727? Please help.
- At the time they looked more like M16s to me rather than carbines but can't really remember. Also, what makes you say that these were National Guard? I assume that this scene was taking place in Costa Rica wasn't it?--commando552 (talk) 17:08, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
- Well, for one, Costa Rica doesn't have a military since the civil war of 1948. Not a standing army at least, but I somewhat doubt that Costa Rican police would, in such a climate, carry M16 rifles. Admittedly, the book went so far to have a Costa Rican Air Force(!) capable of napalm bombing an entire 57 square km island(!). Could have even been an A4 model, but it's an M16 for sure, alright! --BeloglaviSup (talk) 03:36, 18 July 2015 (EDT)\
Marlin 1895
I've been hearing a lot of people saying that Pratt does not cycle the action on his rifle throughout the scenes he is seen firing it. However, I have watched the movie three times, and I distinctly see him racking the lever. It's subtle, but it's there. I mean, Pratt is an avid hunter in real-life, he definitely knows how to use a firearm. - User:1morey August 8, 2015 12:06 PM (EST)
- I thought I noticed a couple of timed where he seemed like he was firing without operating the lever but I have only seen it the once. Bear in mind though, this if this was the case it is not necessarily the fault of the actor. It could have been that in editing they decided to give it a bit more "action" by adding in extra CG shots. --commando552 (talk) 14:19, 8 August 2015 (EDT)
Taser Rifle
I don't know about anyone else, but for a fictional weapon, those taser rifles have got to be the most practical and realistic fictional weapon in a film. Like, I would not be surprised if something like that was invented in real-life (Maybe for like riot control or something.) - User:1morey September 30, 2015 12:30 AM (EST)
- The Taser X12 is a real thing that fulfills basically the same role, though it's based on the Mossberg 500 rather than a standalone design. It's got bright yellow coloring to show it's nonlethal, but that would've looked bad for the film so they just designed their own guns. It's definitely not an unrealistic concept, although generally a larger taser design isn't necessary considering the handgun-sized ones are (usually) enough to subdue individuals and there are more effective methods of crowd control than tasers. --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 06:50, 30 September 2015 (EDT)
- TBH the design of the taser rifles in this kind of bugged me from a realism point of view. Judging from the look of the end of the rifle it works on the same principle as the real pistol versions, meaning that in this case all of the gubbins excluding the battery (probes, barrels, primer, nitrogen capsule) would all be contained within only a few inches. You could say that maybe the cartridge actually telescopes back into the rifle meaning it could have longer barrels and probes and a larger nitrogen capsule, but you can see spare cartridges in belt pouches which prove this isn't the case. My big problem with this is, if this is the case why does the rifle need to be so big? Granted the battery still needs to go somewhere but if it was large enough to take up all of the space in this weapon it would weigh way too much to be practical. Assuming it had a more realistic (but still huge compared to the pistols) sized battery, this could be a "bullpup" style gun with the battery in the stock making for a much smaller more compact SMG sized weapon, whilst still keeping exactly the same cartridge (and hence capability) on the front. --commando552 (talk) 07:47, 30 September 2015 (EDT)
Minigun
Theoretically, would it be possible for ACU to have a Minigun with a vastly slower firing rate (possibly custom-made)? I mean, I understand "Why not go for a Browning M2?" But 7.62 rounds are a heck of a lot cheaper to purchase than .50 BMG. Plus ACU (in normal circumstances) probably only had it in their armory in a "worst-case scenario". Plus, the minigun would shred a dinosaur. I'm sure if ACU ever needed to break out the Minigun (which they did), a slower firing rate would allow them to save ammo which Masrani probably did not want to spend. (Remember, he values the animal's safety as much as the visitors). - User:1morey October 17, 2015 2:11 AM (EST)
- The whole point of a minigun is to allow for a high rate of fire. I believe they are adjustable between about 2000 and 6000 RPM, but any lower than this and you might as well just go for a normal GPMG. As for if it is technically possible, I imagine it would be as the whole operation of the gun is driven by a single main gear from a motor, so all you would have to do would be to slow this down. --commando552 (talk) 04:42, 17 October 2015 (EDT)
- I don't think a gun that weighs 61 pounds without ammunition or a battery really gives you much in the way of practicality. Might as well just keep a stack of disposable anti-tank rockets in an "in case of moral about the unpredictability of complex systems break glass" cabinet like book-Muldoon did in the original Jurassic Park, even a LAW would wreck a dinosaur. Evil Tim (talk) 06:24, 17 October 2015 (EDT)
Behind the Scenes Video
This has some good behind-the-scenes shots in it: [1]--Quarax (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
Barry (Omar Sy)
Omar Sy's character, Barry, looks to be carrying some sort of electroshock weapon or knife on his belt. Tough to tell what it is, but it's got some kind of handguard on it's handle. Just wondering if anyone has an idea of what it might be? Thanks. --Goondocks (talk) 12:18, 4 November 2015 (EST) EDIT: Nevermind. It's a ZAP Stun Baton.
USAS-12 into the Ido's mouth
Generally, the interior of any animal's mouth is made up of soft, delicate tissue, so for that reason I have a hard time believing that unloading buckshot in full auto into the Ido's mouth like doomed InGen guy did wouldn't cause it to immediately shy away or at least momentarily recoil in pain. Spartan198 (talk) 02:10, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- You mean the UTS-15? I dunno but I felt that Indominus bitch was fairly resistant to pain. Before that it just ripped a chunk out of its own back. Mr. Wolf (talk) 04:21, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- Plus, there is precedent in real-life with accounts from around the world of hunters being killed by charging animals that shrugged off shots from rifles. User:1morey December 3, 2015 1:12 PM (EST)
- ^ Indeed. My dad told me of a time he was on a hunting trip with some guys in his much younger days - They came across a boar that charged them and it took two hunters and 6 3.5" magnum 00s from autoloaders to bring it down, and IIRC most if not all of those were hits in the face/head area. StanTheMan (talk) 13:52, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- But one would think that firing it into the creature's open mouth would be a different story, though. I cut the roof of my mouth on a potato chip once! Spartan198 (talk) 04:28, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- However, given that Owen mentions that ACU was using "non-lethals" (tranq guns, net guns, taser rifles), I'm beginning to wonder whether the shotgun was using rubber bullets, and Miller was trying to deter the Indominus away from the surviving team. -User:1morey February 27, 2016 11:39 AM (EST)
- Watching it again now. He doesn't exactly say that they're using non-lethal ammo, he just says that they can' use live ammo. That said, though, if you pay attention, you can actually see the shots just bouncing off the Ido's head, so I'm inclined to agree that this guy was probably firing rubber batons. Still, though, I think he might have stood a better chance had he fired directly into its mouth. Like I said, there's a lot of sensitive and vulnerable tissue in there. Spartan198 (talk) 03:28, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
- However, given that Owen mentions that ACU was using "non-lethals" (tranq guns, net guns, taser rifles), I'm beginning to wonder whether the shotgun was using rubber bullets, and Miller was trying to deter the Indominus away from the surviving team. -User:1morey February 27, 2016 11:39 AM (EST)
- But one would think that firing it into the creature's open mouth would be a different story, though. I cut the roof of my mouth on a potato chip once! Spartan198 (talk) 04:28, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- ^ Indeed. My dad told me of a time he was on a hunting trip with some guys in his much younger days - They came across a boar that charged them and it took two hunters and 6 3.5" magnum 00s from autoloaders to bring it down, and IIRC most if not all of those were hits in the face/head area. StanTheMan (talk) 13:52, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- Plus, there is precedent in real-life with accounts from around the world of hunters being killed by charging animals that shrugged off shots from rifles. User:1morey December 3, 2015 1:12 PM (EST)